If this is true, we are in trouble...

[Ray From Cleveland]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

This stuff has been true for a long time

Americans do not save
Do not like to save

Not much to save at times.

When I think back to being a teen in the 70's, what did we have? We had a television set, a landline telephone, a stereo with an 8-track player. Most of us were one-car families and ate out about three of four times a year. Maybe went to the movies about eight or ten times a year.

What do we spend our money on today that we didn't have back then? Family cell phone plans with smart phones for every member of the family. Cable or satellite television with 400 stations. Three video game systems complete with game cartridges. Pay-per-view movie channels. Netflix. The internet. Big screen televisions. A car for every adult member in the family. Fast food restaurants a half-dozen times a week or more.

Do people realize how much money we would all have if we lived like we did in the 70's?

I give your post an agree. On the other hand, a lot of the items we have now are real lifesavers and they do put people to work.

I don't see how. We did without them before, and we could do without them now. Perhaps the only exception is cell phones because pay phones are no longer in existence. But even then, you don't need unlimited text, you don't need data time. These are all expenses of entertainment like everything else.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Life is way more expensive. My parents got their house, which is 2x the size of mine for 25% of the cost. The cable bill back then was like $50. Now I pay $250. There was no cell phone bill. Now I pay $350. Car prices and gas prices have skyrocketed. College tuition and food costs are way up. Middle class gets squeezed. Wealthy don’t care and the poor get enough Govt support to continuously game the system.

Monopolies need to be broken apart, like Republican Teddy Roosevelt had done.

In the case of College, and the Healthcare industry, we should have "Price Controls"

These have become fairly vital, and the jerks have jacked up prices left, and right.

Healthcare has had perhaps a bit of an excuse, that excuse is people live longer, and technology has become more expensive for treatments.

But, Colleges have hardly changed, and they have jacked up prices huge, huge, amounts even when you adjust for income to college, they were clearly much cheaper back in the day.

The problem is colleges are doing nothing different than any other business. It's supply and demand. The more demand, the more expensive the supply.

I agree but should not state schools be more affordable than they are now?

What do you mean by state schools?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is your Industry if that is not indiscrete?

Drive Trc/Trailer......

That's because we need over 30,000 new drivers industry can't find. That's why all these Fn foreigners are driving T/T.

Guy at work, his dad is an instructor under school orders not to fail Somali driver trainees. Seems like really bad idea to me.

Oh and don't I know it. I get the jitters when I have to pass a container, flatbed or moving truck. These people just don't know how to drive.

At our company we advance our straight truck drivers to Class A. That way we don't have to hire somebody that doesn't know our company or customers. I know what these guys had to go through to upgrade their license. What I can't figure out is how all these foreigners got their license when they are such bad drivers. I mean, they can't back in a trailer if they had 500 feet in front of them.

At least once a year while waiting for a dock, some foreigner comes running up to me begging to back in his trailer because he doesn't know how. HTF did he get a license?????

Had that experience bout month ago. Companies here have taken to placing boulders around their entrance drive to keep drivers on the drive and off the landscaping. Guy ran right over...was banging into other trailers trying to back in...took him an hour.

Lol, or when there is a tight lot to back in from, these assholes will back in so crooked you can't get to the open dock next to them. Then you have to wait for them to pull out.

I think the best one I seen this year was a guy who was picking up a trailer next to where I was getting unloaded. After he backed in, I noticed he didn't tug the trailer to make sure the 5th wheel was closed. Okay......none of my business.....I'm not going to tell anybody how to do their job. After he hooked up and did some paperwork, he started to go and he wasn't latched, He ripped both air lines out of the tractor. He was within an inch from dropping the damn thing. I pretended like I didn't see a thing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Life is way more expensive. My parents got their house, which is 2x the size of mine for 25% of the cost. The cable bill back then was like $50. Now I pay $250. There was no cell phone bill. Now I pay $350. Car prices and gas prices have skyrocketed. College tuition and food costs are way up. Middle class gets squeezed. Wealthy don’t care and the poor get enough Govt support to continuously game the system.

Monopolies need to be broken apart, like Republican Teddy Roosevelt had done.

In the case of College, and the Healthcare industry, we should have "Price Controls"

These have become fairly vital, and the jerks have jacked up prices left, and right.

Healthcare has had perhaps a bit of an excuse, that excuse is people live longer, and technology has become more expensive for treatments.

But, Colleges have hardly changed, and they have jacked up prices huge, huge, amounts even when you adjust for income to college, they were clearly much cheaper back in the day.

The problem is colleges are doing nothing different than any other business. It's supply and demand. The more demand, the more expensive the supply.

I agree but should not state schools be more affordable than they are now?

What do you mean by state schools?

Like Arizona State. Not private schools like Yale.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Drive Trc/Trailer......

That's because we need over 30,000 new drivers industry can't find. That's why all these Fn foreigners are driving T/T.

Guy at work, his dad is an instructor under school orders not to fail Somali driver trainees. Seems like really bad idea to me.

Oh and don't I know it. I get the jitters when I have to pass a container, flatbed or moving truck. These people just don't know how to drive.

At our company we advance our straight truck drivers to Class A. That way we don't have to hire somebody that doesn't know our company or customers. I know what these guys had to go through to upgrade their license. What I can't figure out is how all these foreigners got their license when they are such bad drivers. I mean, they can't back in a trailer if they had 500 feet in front of them.

At least once a year while waiting for a dock, some foreigner comes running up to me begging to back in his trailer because he doesn't know how. HTF did he get a license?????

Had that experience bout month ago. Companies here have taken to placing boulders around their entrance drive to keep drivers on the drive and off the landscaping. Guy ran right over...was banging into other trailers trying to back in...took him an hour.

Lol, or when there is a tight lot to back in from, these assholes will back in so crooked you can't get to the open dock next to them. Then you have to wait for them to pull out.

I think the best one I seen this year was a guy who was picking up a trailer next to where I was getting unloaded. After he backed in, I noticed he didn't tug the trailer to make sure the 5th wheel was closed. Okay......none of my business.....I'm not going to tell anybody how to do their job. After he hooked up and did some paperwork, he started to go and he wasn't latched, He ripped both air lines out of the tractor. He was within an inch from dropping the damn thing. I pretended like I didn't see a thing.

I remember after 9/11 drivers were given a card by DHS with phone number to call under the see something say something policy, now it seems they are playing
Russian roulette with hiring all these drivers from terrorist nations. I could have told them where most of the illegals worked on my route but I knew they didnt want to know that...and probably knew but didnt care

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

This stuff has been true for a long time

Americans do not save
Do not like to save

Not much to save at times.

When I think back to being a teen in the 70's, what did we have? We had a television set, a landline telephone, a stereo with an 8-track player. Most of us were one-car families and ate out about three of four times a year. Maybe went to the movies about eight or ten times a year.

What do we spend our money on today that we didn't have back then? Family cell phone plans with smart phones for every member of the family. Cable or satellite television with 400 stations. Three video game systems complete with game cartridges. Pay-per-view movie channels. Netflix. The internet. Big screen televisions. A car for every adult member in the family. Fast food restaurants a half-dozen times a week or more.

Do people realize how much money we would all have if we lived like we did in the 70's?

Amen and Amen. The problem is NOT low wages. The problem is attitude and mind set and basic values that determine what is really important.

I have lived paycheck to paycheck but we did live. The fact is most families can manage with one car, without smart phones, without cable TV that alone costs more per month than we had to live on when we first started out. You don't have to eat out and it is possible to eat quite well on very little money if you manage properly and don't require the fancier foods.

We didn't have credit cards back then but had layaway plans at Sears and J.C. Penney so whatever we took home was paid for. What few charge accounts existed were controlled by local merchants who got paid every month or they cancelled your credit so it was hard to get into serious trouble financially. I can recall how amazing it was when we got our first gas card making going on vacation simpler. But we paid for our very infrequent motel rooms with cash or travelers checks and wrote a check for each of our monthly bills and purchases.

The government did absolutely nothing for us for day to day needs and expenses and we didn't expect it to. Many many of us started out dirt poor, but nobody stayed poor indefinitely because we expected to do what was necessary to achieve and improve our standard of living and everybody did.

What we need is one huge national attitude adjustment instead of living on the edge and then expecting the government to fix everything for us.

That is the problem. The government does very little for the middle class and poor, but they do a shit load for the extreme wealthy.

It is a racket the Mafia can only dream of.

The government has spent trillions of dollars on the poor and the government would not have those trillions of dollars to spend on the poor without those 'extremely wealthy.' However, the more trillions we spend on the poor, the more 'poor' we seem to have with us, and we have many more people who are now entrenched in poverty and training subsequent generations to live in poverty.

Benjamin Franklin once wisely observed after extensive travel to other lands:
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

The Founders to a man believed the central government should not be in the business of any form of charity but rather should facilitate individual freedom and ability to take initiative as the best policy to encourage prosperity for all. The Constitution gives the government absolutely no authority to take money from those who earn it and give it to those who do not. That is how it was intended so that excess authority--dictatorship--would not be given to the central government.

True but not so much after the Grest Recession. While the wealthy pay most of the tax, they also get most of the benefits.

 

[Tehon]

Trump's short term exaggerations of the economy masks the long term effects his policies will have. The same phenomenon was seen with Reagan. It will be worse after Trump.

Exactly what is your "better" Communist plan. guy? Do you even have one? If so, lay it out. If not, STFU, pinko.

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

That's total bullshit, go **** yourself. If they are clever enough, let them do it.

According to your Marxist bullshit, I'd be "the owner of the production methods" or whatever.

I sweated all day yesterday, ******, and so did my helper. We are into equal-opportunity bust assedness. In fact, it was worse on me than "the labor". (this time)

**** you and your ridiculous Commie pipe dreams, ok? I'm from the real world.

We make things happen around here, what do you do?

How dare you denigrate my partner by marginalizing him.


You couldn't do what he does in the best days of your life, you pusillanimous piece of shit.

If you own your own company, then you made money off of your laborer. You charged more for his services than you payed him. How am I the piece of shit for merely pointing it out?

 

[MrShangles]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

Just keep bringing in the illegals, if folks have someone that will work cheap why pay more, but keep flooding the market


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[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Trump's short term exaggerations of the economy masks the long term effects his policies will have. The same phenomenon was seen with Reagan. It will be worse after Trump.

Reagan policy's made the 1990s prosperity.

The 1990's prospertiy, much like the current Trump prosperity are a bit of a "Bull-cr@p"

Keep in mind in both periods the real wages didn't budge, in fact if anything they went into reverse.

Trump's Economic Scorecard: Higher Inflation, Flat Wages And A Ballooning Federal Deficit

 

[Tehon]

Money, in the form it takes now, will be abolished as well.

I don't think so. It will happen at some point, but not right now.

You work for a living, don't you? Why should someone else be permitted to profit off of your labor? It is your labor, is it not?

Why? Because I labor for them.

They made the investment, they provide a place to work, they take care of all the government and taxes, they process my pay through a payroll company, they pay for the insurance, they pay for my unemployment and workman's compensation insurance, they bought the equipment I use.

Me? I just punch in and work.

As long as you are okay with it.

There must be a disconnect in the minds of people who resent government profiting off one's labor and acquiesce to a private individual doing the same thing.

When you work for somebody, you make a verbal contract. I will provide X services for you, and in exchange you pay X amount of dollars to me. It's just like getting your muffler fixed or your lawn cut. If I was not happy with our contract, I'm free to seek better ones or open up a company of my own. Then I could reap the profits of the company. But again, that's my choice. I'm not forced to work for anybody.

Yeah, I know how it works. You're still giving someone else a portion of the value that you created no matter how you want to justify it.

 

[Tehon]

Trump's short term exaggerations of the economy masks the long term effects his policies will have. The same phenomenon was seen with Reagan. It will be worse after Trump.

Exactly what is your "better" Communist plan. guy? Do you even have one? If so, lay it out. If not, STFU, pinko.

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

Then what you are talking about is Fascism. You want government to have such power as to tell any company in the US how they will pay people.

Sorry, we don't do that in a free capitalist country.

That is not fascism. It only happens when society wakes up to the reality that the capitalist system is failing to meet our basic needs. It's called democracy.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Life is way more expensive. My parents got their house, which is 2x the size of mine for 25% of the cost. The cable bill back then was like $50. Now I pay $250. There was no cell phone bill. Now I pay $350. Car prices and gas prices have skyrocketed. College tuition and food costs are way up. Middle class gets squeezed. Wealthy don’t care and the poor get enough Govt support to continuously game the system.

Monopolies need to be broken apart, like Republican Teddy Roosevelt had done.

In the case of College, and the Healthcare industry, we should have "Price Controls"

These have become fairly vital, and the jerks have jacked up prices left, and right.

Healthcare has had perhaps a bit of an excuse, that excuse is people live longer, and technology has become more expensive for treatments.

But, Colleges have hardly changed, and they have jacked up prices huge, huge, amounts even when you adjust for income to college, they were clearly much cheaper back in the day.

The problem is colleges are doing nothing different than any other business. It's supply and demand. The more demand, the more expensive the supply.

The problem is Baby-Boomers f*cked up America, and keep coming up with more of the "Same Solutions" that "Caused the issues"

My generation is more educated, the productivity is up, the cost of getting educated is more, cost of healthcare is up, and yet we're making less money in comparison to your generation had.

If it's broken, you DO FIX IT, you don't break it more, and more.

Everyone SHOULD want better for their kids, just some are either too dumb, or too apathetic to do better for their kids.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We really need a common-sense Blue Collar party in the U.S.A, based on Pro-Unions, No Illegals, Pro-Manufacturing, No Outsourcing, Pro-Middle class tax cuts, Anti-Tax cuts for the wealthy, Pro-Life, anti-Refugee, Supports the Troops, not the War.

Yada, yada, yada.

Basically we got two disgusting American parties, one which caters to the whims of rich Jews, and the other which caters to the whims of poor Illegal Immigrants.

This is frigging trash, no common-sense, common-sense has become frightfully un-common in this country.

 

[OnePercenter]

Trump is exacerbating the problem.

Trump is attacking the core causes of the problem, Trade and Immigration.

tRump only talks the talk.

Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida seeks to hire 78 foreign workers

The FLOTUS is an immigrant. Her parents couldn't have immigrated on their own. Her father is a Communist.

Donald Trump's father-in-law is a Communist who looks exactly like him | Metro News

 

[Correll]

Trump is exacerbating the problem.

Trump is attacking the core causes of the problem, Trade and Immigration.

tRump only talks the talk.

Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida seeks to hire 78 foreign workers

The FLOTUS is an immigrant. Her parents couldn't have immigrated on their own. Her father is a Communist.

Donald Trump's father-in-law is a Communist who looks exactly like him | Metro News

Nothing in your post supports your claim.


Are you insane? What point do you think you are making?

 

[Uncensored2008]

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

But you don't mind if the masses leach sustenance off of the intellect and ambition of others. Face it, you promote the oppression of the most able at the hands of the least willing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

This stuff has been true for a long time

Americans do not save
Do not like to save

Not much to save at times.

When I think back to being a teen in the 70's, what did we have? We had a television set, a landline telephone, a stereo with an 8-track player. Most of us were one-car families and ate out about three of four times a year. Maybe went to the movies about eight or ten times a year.

What do we spend our money on today that we didn't have back then? Family cell phone plans with smart phones for every member of the family. Cable or satellite television with 400 stations. Three video game systems complete with game cartridges. Pay-per-view movie channels. Netflix. The internet. Big screen televisions. A car for every adult member in the family. Fast food restaurants a half-dozen times a week or more.

Do people realize how much money we would all have if we lived like we did in the 70's?

Amen and Amen. The problem is NOT low wages. The problem is attitude and mind set and basic values that determine what is really important.

I have lived paycheck to paycheck but we did live. The fact is most families can manage with one car, without smart phones, without cable TV that alone costs more per month than we had to live on when we first started out. You don't have to eat out and it is possible to eat quite well on very little money if you manage properly and don't require the fancier foods.

We didn't have credit cards back then but had layaway plans at Sears and J.C. Penney so whatever we took home was paid for. What few charge accounts existed were controlled by local merchants who got paid every month or they cancelled your credit so it was hard to get into serious trouble financially. I can recall how amazing it was when we got our first gas card making going on vacation simpler. But we paid for our very infrequent motel rooms with cash or travelers checks and wrote a check for each of our monthly bills and purchases.

The government did absolutely nothing for us for day to day needs and expenses and we didn't expect it to. Many many of us started out dirt poor, but nobody stayed poor indefinitely because we expected to do what was necessary to achieve and improve our standard of living and everybody did.

What we need is one huge national attitude adjustment instead of living on the edge and then expecting the government to fix everything for us.

That is the problem. The government does very little for the middle class and poor, but they do a shit load for the extreme wealthy.

It is a racket the Mafia can only dream of.

What is it you think the government does for the wealthy?

Be specific.

 

[Tehon]

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

But you don't mind if the masses leach sustenance off of the intellect and ambition of others. Face it, you promote the oppression of the most able at the hands of the least willing.

It is the minority group that is oppressing the masses. It is the minority group that is leaching off the labor of others. That is what you promote.

Pay the worker the full value of what he creates.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If you own your own company, then you made money off of your laborer. You charged more for his services than you payed him. How am I the piece of shit for merely pointing it out?

So you think that if he had not employed these people and secured the contracts that allowed ALL of them to be paid, that the laborers would still have accumulated wealth?

Leftism is a manifestation of ignorance of basic economics. Marxism is the absurd denial of economic reality in favor of childish and dangerous fantasy.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Trump's short term exaggerations of the economy masks the long term effects his policies will have. The same phenomenon was seen with Reagan. It will be worse after Trump.

Exactly what is your "better" Communist plan. guy? Do you even have one? If so, lay it out. If not, STFU, pinko.

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

Then what you are talking about is Fascism. You want government to have such power as to tell any company in the US how they will pay people.

Sorry, we don't do that in a free capitalist country.

That is not fascism. It only happens when society wakes up to the reality that the capitalist system is failing to meet our basic needs. It's called democracy.

The Fascists did have a lot of controls over the economy, they heavily regulated corporate actions, and corporate wages through councils.