If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears.

[Papageorgio]

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How would America disallow the dissemination of opinions with which you and/or others disagree?

Would that not absolutely implicate our First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech?

It used to be that the answer to someone making arguments which we find faulty or inaccurate was “more free speech” not censorship. Are you suggesting otherwise.

You can say what you want, you can be stupid, it doesn’t mean a political party has to listen and go along with your nonsense. They are free to pick any candidate they want, they don’t have to have primaries, they don’t have to put a candidate in they don’t want. Humphrey, Ford, Mondale and Harris did not have the primary delegates to win a nomination but received the nomination. The two parties can select intelligent and rational ca candidates if they want to.

 

[Papageorgio]

Nearly half of people convicted of the same crimes as Donald Trump are sent to prison, study finds​

Nearly half of people convicted of the same crimes as Trump go to jail, study finds

Trump is set to be sentenced on November 26

www.independent.co.uk

Is there any evidence the members of the grand juries who indicted trump and the juries that convicted him are all Dems? As you can tell I hate false equivalences and broad brush accusations. As of now, no one trump is attacking with the DoJ has been indicted of anything.

I'm sure you know the laws Hunter Biden broke, ones for which he was prosecuted while his dad was prez, are rarely prosecuted.

The 34 felonies were and are bogus, what under lying crime was it, because the indictment did not specify any crime, how can a person defend himself if no specific crime is mentioned on the indictment? The state then claimed federal election laws which is out of their jurisdiction and should have been moved to a federal trial. But facts are irrelevant in politics as we all know.

I hope none of those Trump is going after is indicted, it is politics.

 

[BackAgain]

You can say what you want, you can be stupid, it doesn’t mean a political party has to listen and go along with your nonsense. They are free to pick any candidate they want, they don’t have to have primaries, they don’t have to put a candidate in they don’t want. Humphrey, Ford, Mondale and Harris did not have the primary delegates to win a nomination but received the nomination. The two parties can select intelligent and rational ca candidates if they want to.

Ok. Still not sure why any of that makes a difference.

If (and, yes, I will pick on the Dims here) the Democrap Party wishes to have their so called brain trust simply select who their nominee is going to be for President, the problem of Dim corruption and imbecility isnt likely to change.

But, if their apparatchik media keeps repeating their idiotic and dishonest propaganda, then those inclined to vote for the Dim Party-preferred candidates will (most often) simply rubber stamp that candidate to be their nominee.

So, sorry if I’m missing the point you’re trying to make. Maybe you can explain it to me a bit more clearly. Or, maybe you will just shrug off my confusion as whatever it is you’re saying.

On some matters I fully agree with the Jeffersonian philosophy which is that we need a better educated electorate. An electorate that simply accepts their Party’s rhetorical nonsense isn’t likely to help us change anything in any meaningful way.

And that’s why I said (and maintain) that the answer isn’t to suppress any speech. Not even their propaganda. The answer is to respond to and to expose what they say As being the crap that it is.

 

[sealybobo]

He can’t run in 2028, the states can’t put him on the ballot, the Constitution says he can’t run for a 3rd term.

ABC and CBS didn’t want a trial and settled, if they believed they could have won they should have fought it.

It’s okay if a President doesn’t like the media, Obama tried to shut out Fox News, you didn’t have a problem with it.

What a president can’t do is to restrict the media like Biden tried to do with social media. Trying to supress the media, is wrong, and as of now, all press seem to be allowed at his press conferences, no one is restricted, in fact Trump allows more media enterprises than Biden’s administration did.

I don’t like Trump even suggesting to move troops into Chicago or New York, I don’t like Trump trolling people, I don’t like Trump going after his political enemies and we need the public and Republicans to denounce that and put pressure on Trump. As far as celebrating a person has been cancelled by a network? Who cares? He is allowed not to like people, I am sure Biden hate Fox reporters.

I think Trump will just rig the next election for his heir apparent.

Maybe he'll try to run again.

Paramount would have won. But they wanted to sell the company for a few billion dollars. Trump basically just held them up. If you want to sell you have to give me a few million dollars.

Hey, if you're okay with him doing these things, just remember this when it's the other side that's in control. Seems like Trump has taken this kind of corruption and bullying to a whole new level.

You're doing it again. Biden pressured Facebook to stop allowing lies to spread on their site, so this give Trump the right to go after people's first amendment rights on a whole fuckin new level.

I guess in your mind me shoplifting a candy bar gives me a right to commit grand larceny then huh?

 

[Papageorgio]

Ok. Still not sure why any of that makes a difference.

If (and, yes, I will pick on the Dims here) the Democrap Party wishes to have their so called brain trust simply select who their nominee is going to be for President, the problem of Dim corruption and imbecility isnt likely to change.

But, if their apparatchik media keeps repeating their idiotic and dishonest propaganda, then those inclined to vote for the Dim Party-preferred candidates will (most often) simply rubber stamp that candidate to be their nominee.

So, sorry if I’m missing the point you’re trying to make. Maybe you can explain it to me a bit more clearly. Or, maybe you will just shrug off my confusion as whatever it is you’re saying.

On some matters I fully agree with the Jeffersonian philosophy which is that we need a better educated electorate. An electorate that simply accepts their Party’s rhetorical nonsense isn’t likely to help us change anything in any meaningful way.

And that’s why I said (and maintain) that the answer isn’t to suppress any speech. Not even their propaganda. The answer is to respond to and to expose what they say As being the crap that it is.

Neither party, has to go through a Democratic process to select their candidate, there is no law that makes them have primaries or delegates or any other process.

Is that what you are asking? I’m not sure.

 

[BackAgain]

Neither party, has to go through a Democratic process to select their candidate, there is no law that makes them have primaries or delegates or any other process.

Nor did I ever suggest that there was any such law.

Is that what you are asking? I’m not sure.

Nope.

I anm not asking anything, here. I am stating that the answer to the posted suggestion about about the cacophony from the so-called extreme left and from the so-called far right ( ie, your post: If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears. ) isn’t to ever be found in any law which deprives anyone from discussing their political beliefs.

 

[Papageorgio]

I think Trump will just rig the next election for his heir apparent.

Maybe he'll try to run again.

Paramount would have won. But they wanted to sell the company for a few billion dollars. Trump basically just held them up. If you want to sell you have to give me a few million dollars.

Hey, if you're okay with him doing these things, just remember this when it's the other side that's in control. Seems like Trump has taken this kind of corruption and bullying to a whole new level.

You're doing it again. Biden pressured Facebook to stop allowing lies to spread on their site, so this give Trump the right to go after people's first amendment rights on a whole fuckin new level.

I guess in your mind me shoplifting a candy bar gives me a right to commit grand larceny then huh?

No election will be rigged. Not a chance. Paramount could sell or not sell it was up to them, more of the conspiracy theories.

Biden tried to suppress free speech, and not just Facebook, you need to be honest. They didn’t allow the Hunter laptop story, that virus might have come from Wuhan, you know the city where the virus originated from, you know the city that had a virus lab, you know the city that claimed it was from fish, even satire was targeted, so don’t blow it off as nothing, restricting free speech is wrong on any level because if it is accepted on one level, it can be done on any level. Right now Trump signed an EO banning flag burning, that is wrong and a violation of free speech, which I am equally against. So quit being a stooge for a party and grow a pair.

 

[sealybobo]

No election will be figged. Not a chance. Paramount could sell or not sell it was up to them, more of the conspiracy theories.

Biden tried to suppress free speech, and not just Facebook, you need to be honest. They didn’t allow the Hunter laptop story, that virus might have come from Wuhan, you know the city where the virus originated from, you know the city that had a virus lab, you know the city that claimed it was from fish, even satire was targeted, so don’t blow it off as nothing, restricting free speech is wrong on any level because if it is accepted on one level, it can be done on any level. Right now Trump signed an EO banning flag burning, that is wrong and a violation of free speech, which I am equally against. So quit being a stooge for a party and grow a pair.

Okay dummy

 

[Papageorgio]

Nor did I ever suggest that there was any such law.

Nope.

I anm not asking anything, here. I am stating that the answer to the posted suggestion about about the cacophony from the so-called extreme left and from the so-called far right ( ie, your post: If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears. ) isn’t to ever be found in any law which deprives anyone from discussing their political beliefs.

I never said it should, the far right and the far left can say whatever they want hell they want and anyone, any party any person can reject their nonsense. That is all, we don’t have to believe them, we can criticize them, we don’t have to elect them.

 

[sealybobo]

I never said it should, the far right and the far left can say whatever they want hell they want and anyone, any party any person can reject their nonsense. That is all, we don’t have to believe them, we can criticize them, we don’t have to elect them.

Because of idiots like you, the far right wins.

Clinton, Gore, Obama, Biden, Kamala, Hillary. All moderates but you were told they were far left.

 

[Papageorgio]

Okay dummy

Name-calling is usually a sign of weakness, not strength. It tells you the person is more focused on attacking you than defending their idea.

 

[Papageorgio]

Because of idiots like you, the far right wins.

Clinton, Gore, Obama, Biden, Kamala, Hillary. All moderates but you were told they were far left.

I am accused by the right of letting Obama and Biden win. Unless you can up with a good reason to vote FOR someone, then you have nothing. I vote for people and not against people.

 

[BackAgain]

I never said it should, the far right and the far left can say whatever they want hell they want and anyone, any party any person can reject their nonsense. That is all, we don’t have to believe them, we can criticize them, we don’t have to elect them.

I just quoted your post. And it sure looks like that was what you were saying. If it’s not what you intended, that’s good.

And of course we don’t have to elect them.

But let’s say that I can’t stand the Dim position on most matters. Ok. I won’t vote for the Dim.

Now, let’s compound the problem: let’s say that I do (generally) favor the conservative answer to most matter, but the GOP candidate either doesn’t or says one thing to get elected but votes differently once in office. Again, I am mostly content not to give him my vote next time around.

If I vote, instead, for a 3P candidate, my ”protest vote” has (in most cases) nothing more than a symbolic value. It raises (albeit slightly) the prospect that the other candidate, the one whom I disfavor more, will win

Given all of this, I don’t know what is meant by the suggestion that “we don’t have to elect them.”

I accept that maybe I’m being a bit obtuse. It’s not intentional. I really don’t understand what else you’re proposing.

 

[sealybobo]

You shouldn't vote for him in 2028.

From another thread that got closed

Neil deGrass Tyson: "How sad it must be believing that scientists, historians, scholars, economists, journalists devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, but a reality-TV star proven in court to be a lying felon is your beacon of truth & honesty"

 

[sealybobo]

Name-calling is usually a sign of weakness, not strength. It tells you the person is more focused on attacking you than defending their idea.

Oh well I just give up on you. Your circular arguments. Just because one side (Democrats) aren't perfect you're burying your head in the sand as to what's going on now. As if this is normal or on par with anything any Democrat has ever done.

You're an idiot.

Republicans steal elections not Democats.

Republicans are the reason you are a struggling middle classer.

I get it. Democrats aren't perfect. But neither are you.

Neil deGrass Tyson: "How sad it must be believing that scientists, historians, scholars, economists, journalists devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, but a reality-TV star proven in court to be a lying felon is your beacon of truth & honesty"

 

[bdtex]

call the call them Maggats, Tell them that they're stupid, remind them of how ignorant they are, continue to make long and verbose posts highlighting the mental retardation of Trump voters, never let a day pass without calling out the social guilt that all Trump supporters are responsible for

Truth hurts

 

[Papageorgio]

Oh well I just give up on you. Your circular arguments. Just because one side (Democrats) aren't perfect you're burying your head in the sand as to what's going on now. As if this is normal or on par with anything any Democrat has ever done.

You're an idiot.

Republicans steal elections not Democats.

Republicans are the reason you are a struggling middle classer.

I get it. Democrats aren't perfect. But neither are you.

Neil deGrass Tyson: "How sad it must be believing that scientists, historians, scholars, economists, journalists devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, but a reality-TV star proven in court to be a lying felon is your beacon of truth & honesty"

Neither has stolen elections and you never proved it happened. Never said I was a struggling middle classer, I never voted for Trump and my not voting for Trump in a state Harris won handily didn’t affect the outcome of an election. I tell you over and over the things I dislike about Trump but you in your infinite wisdom, don’t read my posts.

Thanks for the name calling it tells me you have no real argument just opinions because your party spouts them.

 

[dblack]

If you want to get through to Trump fans, study pro wrestling.

 

[Papageorgio]

I just quoted your post. And it sure looks like that was what you were saying. If it’s not what you intended, that’s good.

And of course we don’t have to elect them.

But let’s say that I can’t stand the Dim position on most matters. Ok. I won’t vote for the Dim.

Now, let’s compound the problem: let’s say that I do (generally) favor the conservative answer to most matter, but the GOP candidate either doesn’t or says one thing to get elected but votes differently once in office. Again, I am mostly content not to give him my vote next time around.

If I vote, instead, for a 3P candidate, my ”protest vote” has (in most cases) nothing more than a symbolic value. It raises (albeit slightly) the prospect that the other candidate, the one whom I disfavor more, will win

Given all of this, I don’t know what is meant by the suggestion that “we don’t have to elect them.”

I accept that maybe I’m being a bit obtuse. It’s not intentional. I really don’t understand what else you’re proposing.

l’ll make it simple, the only reason Harris made it as a candidate is Biden endorsed her when he dropped out and I believe that he did that on purpose to screw the party. It wasn’t until days later did the Obama’s and Clinton’s endorsed her, she had no real vision, no real ideas, kept the lie that Biden was fit, and the only reason anyone on the left gave me to vote for her is she wasn’t Trump. They did convince me not to vote for Trump. I do not like Trump as a person, he is abrasive and stirs up shit to stir up shit. His spending. He hinted at political revenge, which I did not like but was hoping he was being Trump, I liked Trump because of his foreign policy, the tariffs, taking care of our borders and moving a social issue out of the way. But I don’t like Trumps personality and his stub, so I went third party. I voted for who I wanted and I believe all Americans should, we need to break away from the voting for the lesser of two evils as it has not helped our country get better.

 

[sealybobo]

l’ll make it simple, the only reason Harris made it as a candidate is Biden endorsed her when he dropped out and I believe that he did that on purpose to screw the party. It wasn’t until days later did the Obama’s and Clinton’s endorsed her, she had no real vision, no real ideas, kept the lie that Biden was fit, and the only reason anyone on the left gave me to vote for her is she wasn’t Trump. They did convince me not to vote for Trump. I do not like Trump as a person, he is abrasive and stirs up shit to stir up shit. His spending. He hinted at political revenge, which I did not like but was hoping he was being Trump, I liked Trump because of his foreign policy, the tariffs, taking care of our borders and moving a social issue out of the way. But I don’t like Trumps personality and his stub, so I went third party. I voted for who I wanted and I believe all Americans should, we need to break away from the voting for the lesser of two evils as it has not helped our country get better.

You like the tariffs?