If possible, should we peacefully split the country?

[Unkotare]

.... But, there will be a separation.
......

Not in your lifetime.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

..... They will take everything we got, and are trying this moment. They want to take away our guns, take away our freedom, take away our Constitution. ....

And you want to cower and crawl away on your belly instead of fighting for those things (no, fighting doesn't mean you have to shoot anyone, stupid).

When we (Texas) want to be independent and they (the U.S.) want to make us stay, we MUST defend against them if/when they invade.

You can't invade your own country. Texas is a great state, but is is PART of the UNITED States of America. If DC sucks, fix DC, don't waste time with this nonsense.

If Texas says "we're not part of the U.S. anymore" and the U.S. says "yes you are" who is right and how will that dispute be decided?

Taiwan says it is not part of the mainland Communist Party controlled China. China says that Taiwan is Chinese territory. Who is right? Why is Taiwan able to declare independence and act independently when China says it rules Taiwan?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

I suggest before anyone votes on this poll to go to the nearest National Cemetery and spent several hours reading the headstones of those who gave their life to support and defend the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Tell the anti-military left-wing to do that. My brother in law served, my father served, my relatives served, my grand fathers served.

Tell those left-wing BLM "Burn down the system" Democrats to go read headstones.

If the country those people died for, is now for Democrats and their Ideology, and Bernie Sanders Socialism... then the country they died for no longer exists.

The facts are we are not on the road to have an economy which destroys Capitalism and replaces it with Socialism.

Fact #1: The Right, aka, the Republican Party seeks to privatize prisons, bridges, roads, public transportation, etc. for profit; and to eliminate regulations; that is to move closer to lassie faire capitalism leaving the consumer responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made (caveat emptor).

Fact #2: Public hospitals and houses for the poor have existed since the Gilded Age; both were State or City funded and employed public employees. If you doubt this first look up the census and you'll note the large number of men, women and children living in the same address, public housing. No one called this Socialism, and under FDR the poor, the infirm and the aged would have remained at the mercy of charity had he not signed the Social Security Act. Under LBJ Medicare was passed, and during the debate the Right claimed this was the first step toward Communism. Half a century and will still are a regulated Capitalist Economy and a Democratic Republic.

Yet the Right continues to bleat the RED SCARE and, notwithstanding the Amendments to COTUS, continue to work to suppress the right to vote, and making the effort to remove the word "Democratic" and replace it with the claim that we are a Constitutional Republic. Sophistry at its finest and clearly made by the Right to mislead the masses.

Fact #3: The vast majority of BLM protestors exercise their first amendment rights peacefully; the few - the viiolent, vandals, arsonists - are not clearly Democrats, they are first and foremost agent provocateurs, anarchists or disaffected youth.

Fact #4: I served (Active Duty, 1967 1969); my dad and uncle served in the Navy (1942 - 1945); their dad, my grandfather served in the Army during WW I.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

I suggest before anyone votes on this poll to go to the nearest National Cemetery and spent several hours reading the headstones of those who gave their life to support and defend the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Tell the anti-military left-wing to do that. My brother in law served, my father served, my relatives served, my grand fathers served.

Tell those left-wing BLM "Burn down the system" Democrats to go read headstones.

If the country those people died for, is now for Democrats and their Ideology, and Bernie Sanders Socialism... then the country they died for no longer exists.

The facts are we are not on the road to have an economy which destroys Capitalism and replaces it with Socialism.

Fact #1: The Right, aka, the Republican Party seeks to privatize prisons, bridges, roads, public transportation, etc. for profit; and to eliminate regulations; that is to move closer to lassie faire capitalism leaving the consumer responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made (caveat emptor).

Fact #2: Public hospitals and houses for the poor have existed since the Gilded Age; both were State or City funded and employed public employees. If you doubt this first look up the census and you note the large number of men, women and children living in the same address, public housing. No one called this Socialism, and under FDR the poor, the infirm and the aged would have remained at the mercy of charity had he not signed the Social Security Act. Under LBJ Medicare was passed, and during the debate the Right claimed this was the first step toward Communism. Half a century and will still are remain to be a regulated Capitalist Economy and a Democratic Republic.

Yet the Right continues to bleat the RED SCARE and, notwithstanding the Amendments to COTUS, continue to work to suppress the right to vote, and making the effort to remove the word "Democratic" and replace it with the claim that we are a Constitutional Republic. Sophistry at its finest and dishonesty.

Fact #3: The vast majority of BLM protestors exercise their first amendment rights peacefully; the few - vandals, arsonists - are not clearly Democrats, they are first and foremost agent provocateurs, anarchists or disaffected youth.

Fact #4: I served (Active Duty, 1967 1969); my dad and uncle served in the Navy (1942 - 1945); their dad, my grandfather served in the Army during WW I.

I give your #4 big salute, Brother.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fact #3: The vast majority of BLM protestors exercise their first amendment rights peacefully; the few - vandals, arsonists - are not clearly Democrats, they are first and foremost agent provocateurs, anarchists or disaffected youth.

And yet after the Trump riot, the left claimed they were all Republicans.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fact #3: The vast majority of BLM protestors exercise their first amendment rights peacefully; the few - vandals, arsonists - are not clearly Democrats, they are first and foremost agent provocateurs, anarchists or disaffected youth.

And yet after the Trump riot, the left claimed they were all Republicans.

Wow, another Karen and Vinnie moment. Brought to you by "Rump Flavored Koolaid".

 

[bripat9643]

Rational adults utilize the levers of government and civics to effect change in practical ways. You're just being a little emo-bitch.

What ways? How do you fight a majority?

So you never studied Civics? Did you ever read Federalist #10?

How did that work in NAZI Germany?

 

[bripat9643]

So you never studied Civics? Did you ever read Federalist #10?

Why not just reply you are FOS and can't answer?

I just asked you two very simple questions.

Simple questions for simple minds. The real world differs.

 

[bripat9643]

NO. Screw you. If you are too weak to try and work toward a more perfect Union then get the fuck out. We don't need you, and you don't get to carve up MY country on your way out. There is an ocean in either direction so start swimming, loser.

It's just as much my country as it is yours. ...

Not anymore. You forfeit any claim to being a real American when you started advocating for the dissolution of the Union. You have no place in MY country any longer. GTFO.

Bullshit.

Being a real American isn't about when or where some ancestor copped a squat, it's about understanding, appreciating, and adhering to the principles upon which my country was founded.

Those principles are out the window now that the Democrat Reich has imposed the one party state.

 

[Unkotare]

..... They will take everything we got, and are trying this moment. They want to take away our guns, take away our freedom, take away our Constitution. ....

And you want to cower and crawl away on your belly instead of fighting for those things (no, fighting doesn't mean you have to shoot anyone, stupid).

When we (Texas) want to be independent and they (the U.S.) want to make us stay, we MUST defend against them if/when they invade.

You can't invade your own country. Texas is a great state, but is is PART of the UNITED States of America. If DC sucks, fix DC, don't waste time with this nonsense.

If Texas says "we're not part of the U.S. anymore" and the U.S. says "yes you are" who is right and how will that dispute be decided?
....

The same way it was last time, if necessary.

 

[Disir]

The Constitution establishes the country.
So if you uphold the COTUS, you uphold the US. It's what defines the US.

I disagree. The country is separate from the Constitution.

The country can...and I believe the case can be made for 'has'... easily diverge from the constraints of the Constitution.

If the country ignores the Constitution, which do you support?

I don't accept your separate reality as a premise.

If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country. If you don't have a country, then you also don't have a Constitution for it. Can't have the one without the other unless you're running a military dick-tatorship or a kingdom.

Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the UK isn't a country. Is that what you're saying?

It's actually four countries: Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are governed as one.

But, that's not what I was after. They don't have a constitution. There is no single document like we have. There are hundreds of documents.

 

[Unkotare]

NO. Screw you. If you are too weak to try and work toward a more perfect Union then get the fuck out. We don't need you, and you don't get to carve up MY country on your way out. There is an ocean in either direction so start swimming, loser.

It's just as much my country as it is yours. ...

Not anymore. You forfeit any claim to being a real American when you started advocating for the dissolution of the Union. You have no place in MY country any longer. GTFO.

Bullshit.

Being a real American isn't about when or where some ancestor copped a squat, it's about understanding, appreciating, and adhering to the principles upon which my country was founded.

Those principles are out the window now .....

NO, they are not. If you really think so, GTFO. Jump ship now, rat.

 

[Unkotare]

Rational adults utilize the levers of government and civics to effect change in practical ways. You're just being a little emo-bitch.

What ways? How do you fight a majority?

So you never studied Civics? Did you ever read Federalist #10?

How did that work in NAZI Germany?

Try responding to what you quoted next time.

 

[bripat9643]

The Constitution establishes the country.
So if you uphold the COTUS, you uphold the US. It's what defines the US.

I disagree. The country is separate from the Constitution.

The country can...and I believe the case can be made for 'has'... easily diverge from the constraints of the Constitution.

If the country ignores the Constitution, which do you support?

I don't accept your separate reality as a premise.

If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country. If you don't have a country, then you also don't have a Constitution for it. Can't have the one without the other unless you're running a military dick-tatorship or a kingdom.

Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the UK isn't a country. Is that what you're saying?

It's actually four countries: Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are governed as one.

But, that's not what I was after. They don't have a constitution. There is no single document like we have. There are hundreds of documents.

So you admit that your claim:

"If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country."​

is false.

 

[Disir]

The Constitution establishes the country.
So if you uphold the COTUS, you uphold the US. It's what defines the US.

I disagree. The country is separate from the Constitution.

The country can...and I believe the case can be made for 'has'... easily diverge from the constraints of the Constitution.

If the country ignores the Constitution, which do you support?

I don't accept your separate reality as a premise.

If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country. If you don't have a country, then you also don't have a Constitution for it. Can't have the one without the other unless you're running a military dick-tatorship or a kingdom.

Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the UK isn't a country. Is that what you're saying?

It's actually four countries: Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are governed as one.

But, that's not what I was after. They don't have a constitution. There is no single document like we have. There are hundreds of documents.

So you admit that your claim:

"If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country."​

is false.

I never made the claim. You posed the question to Pogo (I think): Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

And I went: I-know-I-know-I-know.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

..... They will take everything we got, and are trying this moment. They want to take away our guns, take away our freedom, take away our Constitution. ....

And you want to cower and crawl away on your belly instead of fighting for those things (no, fighting doesn't mean you have to shoot anyone, stupid).

When we (Texas) want to be independent and they (the U.S.) want to make us stay, we MUST defend against them if/when they invade.

You can't invade your own country. Texas is a great state, but is is PART of the UNITED States of America. If DC sucks, fix DC, don't waste time with this nonsense.

If Texas says "we're not part of the U.S. anymore" and the U.S. says "yes you are" who is right and how will that dispute be decided?
....

The same way it was last time, if necessary.

And last time the "rebels" engaged in traditional warfare with inferior weapons.

This time, an insurgency could last 100 years.

 

[Unkotare]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate [sic] peacefully?
...

How about NO?

Your reasoning ?

The UNITED States of America is much stronger than the limp-dick defeatist pussies who keep crying about the sky falling. MY great nation will still be here long, long after all these spineless quitters are less than dust.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No...you realize if red states told you to fuck off you'd be screwed.

Ha, very doubtful. You guys would instantly be on the bottom of developed countries for most stats that matter. A "shithole", as your master likes to say.

 

[bripat9643]

The Constitution establishes the country.
So if you uphold the COTUS, you uphold the US. It's what defines the US.

I disagree. The country is separate from the Constitution.

The country can...and I believe the case can be made for 'has'... easily diverge from the constraints of the Constitution.

If the country ignores the Constitution, which do you support?

I don't accept your separate reality as a premise.

If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country. If you don't have a country, then you also don't have a Constitution for it. Can't have the one without the other unless you're running a military dick-tatorship or a kingdom.

Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the UK isn't a country. Is that what you're saying?

It's actually four countries: Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are governed as one.

But, that's not what I was after. They don't have a constitution. There is no single document like we have. There are hundreds of documents.

So you admit that your claim:

"If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country."​

is false.

I never made the claim. You posed the question to Pogo (I think): Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

And I went: I-know-I-know-I-know.

You chimed in to defend him/her.

 

[Disir]

The Constitution establishes the country.
So if you uphold the COTUS, you uphold the US. It's what defines the US.

I disagree. The country is separate from the Constitution.

The country can...and I believe the case can be made for 'has'... easily diverge from the constraints of the Constitution.

If the country ignores the Constitution, which do you support?

I don't accept your separate reality as a premise.

If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country. If you don't have a country, then you also don't have a Constitution for it. Can't have the one without the other unless you're running a military dick-tatorship or a kingdom.

Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the UK isn't a country. Is that what you're saying?

It's actually four countries: Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are governed as one.

But, that's not what I was after. They don't have a constitution. There is no single document like we have. There are hundreds of documents.

So you admit that your claim:

"If you remove the Constitution --- you don't have a country."​

is false.

I never made the claim. You posed the question to Pogo (I think): Does the UK have a constitution? Germany?

And I went: I-know-I-know-I-know.

You chimed in to defend him/her.

Nope. I chimed in because I knew the answer.


And it was killing me.