If North Korea can make a Progressive Utopia, why can't we?

[Neotrotsky]

No it doesn't.

Are Taxes commie or not?

Sure it does
progressive regressive taxes, sales tax etc

if that is the case
then very regressive taxes would be ok

You are confusing taxes with how a government is run.
All governments must have some form of income, in order to fund important issues like their military.
No taxes are not communistic.
How the government is run is different.
We should get rid of the 16th amendment in our constitution and have the states collect Taxes to send to the Feds like we used to have. Ever since the 16th amendment, it has caused corruption in our Federal government.

Interesting

repeal of the 17th amendment is an interesting concept as well

Before it, Senators could be picked by any method a State choose to do
appointed, elected etc

Senators were almost like ambassadors to the Fed, people representing State concerns
and deferring to State issues

After the 17, the Senate is more focused on Federal Issues and the two houses
are nothing more than "twiddle dee and tweedle dum".

It can make a difference. If the Senate was still the same, the boondoggle, Papa ObamaCare, would have never passed

 

[Sallow]

thats like asking if eating is healthy!!!eating is good for you...over eating will kill you!!!over taxing will kill the economy!!!.....SO SPIT THE 5 POUNDS OF MEAT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!!!!AND DON'T SWALLOW....SWALLOW!!

Are you like a fag boi and a stalker?

I already said no to your offer to swallow my load.

That should be it.

Go gargle someone else's cum.

You homosexual you.

now Swallow's don't be mad!!

Mad at what?

A raging homosexual? Dude. Come back to the real world.

I don't get mad at faggots..

I laugh at them.

 

[daveman]

North Korea isn't progressive at all. It's quite conservative. They don't allow voting. And government is passed down from family to family.

They don't even call themselves "progressive".

It's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

North Korea

And thanks to America..South Korea doesn't spend much on it's military. So that leaves it money for many socialist programs..like Socialized Medicine.

When I was spending time on LA Indymedia, about once a month a NoKo robot would post a "news" release from Best Korea, saying how wonderful everything was.

I, a conservative, asked the 'bot the best recipes for grass and shoes.

The lefties on IMC? Never a single word of criticism for the People's Republic.

If you were sitting in the state department and the question was asked, How do we deal with North Korea..and advisors started spewing nonsense..what exactly would you do?

First you straighten things out.

Then you get the facts right.

Then you map out a plan to deal with them.

North Korea is a mess. What would be best for us in that region? That North and South unite. That the new united country poses no "threat" to China. That we keep them quiet before that happens.

You start from there.

Odd. That doesn't address my point at all.

To reiterate: Leftists do not criticize each other. The leftists at LA-IMC recognize a kindred spirit in North Korea.

Insisting NoKo is a conservative regime is ludicrous.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives will never criticize NoKo, it's their Mecca

 

[Sallow]

When I was spending time on LA Indymedia, about once a month a NoKo robot would post a "news" release from Best Korea, saying how wonderful everything was.

I, a conservative, asked the 'bot the best recipes for grass and shoes.

The lefties on IMC? Never a single word of criticism for the People's Republic.

If you were sitting in the state department and the question was asked, How do we deal with North Korea..and advisors started spewing nonsense..what exactly would you do?

First you straighten things out.

Then you get the facts right.

Then you map out a plan to deal with them.

North Korea is a mess. What would be best for us in that region? That North and South unite. That the new united country poses no "threat" to China. That we keep them quiet before that happens.

You start from there.

Odd. That doesn't address my point at all.

To reiterate: Leftists do not criticize each other. The leftists at LA-IMC recognize a kindred spirit in North Korea.

Insisting NoKo is a conservative regime is ludicrous.

And why is that?

Aside from the adoption of "Communism", nothing North Korea has done is remotely leftist.

They don't provide food or shelter for most of the population..you have to work long hard hours, almost to the point of death, to get anywhere. And even then..many people maintain private gardens to eat. And there is a black market that people buy goods from because most government stores are bare.

Where does most of this wealth end up? In the hands of a small elite group. Many of them are the "Owners" of factories and corporations. They are friends of the family that have been appointed to run these places.

Sounds like a Monarchy to me.

 

[Sallow]

Progressives will never criticize NoKo, it's their Mecca

Still no answer on taxes.

Interesting.

 

[peach174]

No it doesn't.

Are Taxes commie or not?

Sure it does
progressive regressive taxes, sales tax etc

if that is the case
then very regressive taxes would be ok

You are confusing taxes with how a government is run.
All governments must have some form of income, in order to fund important issues like their military.
No taxes are not communistic.
How the government is run is different.
We should get rid of the 16th amendment in our constitution and have the states collect Taxes to send to the Feds like we used to have. Ever since the 16th amendment, it has caused corruption in our Federal government.

You don't call this an answer Sallow?

 

[daveman]

If you were sitting in the state department and the question was asked, How do we deal with North Korea..and advisors started spewing nonsense..what exactly would you do?

First you straighten things out.

Then you get the facts right.

Then you map out a plan to deal with them.

North Korea is a mess. What would be best for us in that region? That North and South unite. That the new united country poses no "threat" to China. That we keep them quiet before that happens.

You start from there.

Odd. That doesn't address my point at all.

To reiterate: Leftists do not criticize each other. The leftists at LA-IMC recognize a kindred spirit in North Korea.

Insisting NoKo is a conservative regime is ludicrous.

And why is that?

Aside from the adoption of "Communism", nothing North Korea has done is remotely leftist.

They don't provide food or shelter for most of the population..you have to work long hard hours, almost to the point of death, to get anywhere. And even then..many people maintain private gardens to eat. And there is a black market that people buy goods from because most government stores are bare.

Where does most of this wealth end up? In the hands of a small elite group. Many of them are the "Owners" of factories and corporations. They are friends of the family that have been appointed to run these places.

Sounds like a Monarchy to me.

And throughout history, leftist regimes always end up like that.

 

[rdean]

If North Korea can make a Progressive Utopia, why can't we?

Comrades,

it does sadden me to see the socialist success of the People's Paradise of DPRK
when compared to ours. How do we know this to be true, because the people of
DPRK have told us so-

just watch the video to see the truth

Life in the People's Paradise of DPRK - YouTube

True compatriots in the Progressive cause

What do they owe to their success? They have gone the whole way into the progressive cause...

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State


Where as we, have taken the failed path of legislative socialism. The process is too slow
and it is failing us.
The recent S&P downgrade marks extinction for 19th-20th century progressivism.

What tools do we have left?
- interest rates are low as they can go to go any good
- we can't tax anyone enough without crashing the economy
- how much can we debt spend since we are broke
- we can't not allow true reforms to entitlements which limit the state's role

Traditionally, the progressive movement following the advice of past Socialist Party leaders like Presidential candidate Eugene Debs,
has tried to legislate our way to it and thankfully, with the help of Democrats and RINOs,
we have moved the country in the direction of a socialist utopia, but it is too slow and it appears to be failing.

Now while the slow creeping attempts to legislate ourselves to a Progressive Utopia
served its purpose to "slowly boil the frog in hot water" to where they, the American voter, won't jump out, I say it is no longer necessary.

We are ready NOW to take the "revolutionary" logical next step and go full speed into
the arms of the state- A true and full socialist utopia just like North Korea.

The time is now! Everything is in place.

There is a Record Number of American Receiving Food Stamp Benefits

Papa Obama and the Democrats have gotten an early endorsement from the CPUSA


As Eugene V Debs said:

The issue is Socialism versus Capitalism. I am for Socialism because I am for humanity. We have been cursed with the reign of gold long enough.
Money constitutes no proper basis of civilization. The time has come to regenerate society — we are on the eve of universal change.

Only lying turds think North Korea is progressive. Are you a lying turd?

 

[Neotrotsky]

If North Korea can make a Progressive Utopia, why can't we?

Comrades,

it does sadden me to see the socialist success of the People's Paradise of DPRK
when compared to ours. How do we know this to be true, because the people of
DPRK have told us so-

just watch the video to see the truth

Life in the People's Paradise of DPRK - YouTube

True compatriots in the Progressive cause

What do they owe to their success? They have gone the whole way into the progressive cause...

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State


Where as we, have taken the failed path of legislative socialism. The process is too slow
and it is failing us.
The recent S&P downgrade marks extinction for 19th-20th century progressivism.

What tools do we have left?
- interest rates are low as they can go to go any good
- we can't tax anyone enough without crashing the economy
- how much can we debt spend since we are broke
- we can't not allow true reforms to entitlements which limit the state's role

Traditionally, the progressive movement following the advice of past Socialist Party leaders like Presidential candidate Eugene Debs,
has tried to legislate our way to it and thankfully, with the help of Democrats and RINOs,
we have moved the country in the direction of a socialist utopia, but it is too slow and it appears to be failing.

Now while the slow creeping attempts to legislate ourselves to a Progressive Utopia
served its purpose to "slowly boil the frog in hot water" to where they, the American voter, won't jump out, I say it is no longer necessary.

We are ready NOW to take the "revolutionary" logical next step and go full speed into
the arms of the state- A true and full socialist utopia just like North Korea.

The time is now! Everything is in place.

There is a Record Number of American Receiving Food Stamp Benefits

Papa Obama and the Democrats have gotten an early endorsement from the CPUSA


As Eugene V Debs said:

The issue is Socialism versus Capitalism. I am for Socialism because I am for humanity. We have been cursed with the reign of gold long enough.
Money constitutes no proper basis of civilization. The time has come to regenerate society — we are on the eve of universal change.

Only lying turds think North Korea is progressive. Are you a lying turd?

Only lying turds think North Korea is not socialist. Are you a lying turd?
and
Only lying turds try to cover up their socialism by calling it Progressivism. Are you a lying turd?

rhetorical questions
no need to answer on your part

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives will never criticize NoKo, it's their Mecca

Still no answer on taxes.

Interesting.

What's the question?

Taxes? Yes Progressives believe everyone else should pay them, up to 100% of their income

 

[Neotrotsky]

Sweden is doing better than we are, if you want to talk about socialism working or not working.

Really?

you do need to update your left talking points

Did you know that most of Sweden's gains have come from free market
reforms and they actually were worse off when they were more socialist
of course you don't

Did you know that due the liberalization of their markets
Today, the state's total tax take comes to 45% of GDP, DOWN from 56% ten years ago
of course you don't

Sweden Is a Role Model…but for Free Market Reforms, not Socialism

Sweden’s socialism lasted only for a couple of decades, roughly during the 1970s and 1980s. And as it happens, these decades mark the only break in the modern Swedish success story. …The Swedish tax burden was lower than the European average throughout these successful 60 years, and lower even than in the U.S. Only in 1950 did Sweden’s tax burden rise to 20% of GDP, though that remained comparatively low. …The 1970s were a decade of radical government intervention in society and in markets, during which Sweden doubled its overall tax burden, socialized a slew of industries, re-regulated its markets, expanded its public systems, and shuttered its borders. In 1970, Sweden had the world’s fourth-highest GDP per capita. By 1990, it had fallen 13 positions. In those 20 years, real wages in Sweden increased by only one percentage point. …By the late 1980s, though, Sweden had started de-regulating its markets once again, decreased its marginal tax rates, and opted for a sound-money, low-inflation policy. In the early 1990s, the pace quickened, and most markets except for labor and housing were liberalized. ​

Their biggest gains have come from free market reforms
funny how that works


Did you know
Sweden is actually slightly more free market than the United States on non-fiscal measures in the Economic Freedom of the World index.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Progressives will never criticize NoKo, it's their Mecca

Still no answer on taxes.

Interesting.

What's the question?

Taxes? Yes Progressives believe everyone else should pay them, up to 100% of their income

He said it does not matter
So we should have the most regressive taxes possible

 

[Moonglow]

Many of the core principles of the Progressive Movement focused on the need for efficiency in all areas of society. Purification to eliminate waste and corruption was a powerful element.[3] According to historian William Leuchtenburg:

“ The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution by conservative judges, who would restrict the power of the national government to act against social evils and to extend the blessings of democracy to less favored lands. The real enemy was particularism, state rights, limited government.[4]

Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Moonglow]

The politics of North Korea take place within a nominally democratic multi-party system within the framework of the official state philosophy, Juche, a concept created by the founder of the North Korean state, Kim Il-sung, and his son and successor as leader, Kim Jong-il. In practice, North Korea functions as a single-party state. It is widely considered to be a de facto totalitarian dictatorship.

Politics of North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Moonglow]

you will notice the the model of the political/social system in N. Korea is not a progressive paradise. another falicy of those that try to advertise hyperbole, and try to stick labels where they do not belong.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

you will notice the the model of the political/social system in N. Korea is not a progressive paradise. another falicy of those that try to advertise hyperbole, and try to stick labels where they do not belong.

You're right, the only thing they don't have in NoKo is the NY Times

 

[Neotrotsky]

Many of the core principles of the Progressive Movement focused on the need for efficiency in all areas of society. Purification to eliminate waste and corruption was a powerful element.[3] According to historian William Leuchtenburg:

“ The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution by conservative judges, who would restrict the power of the national government to act against social evils and to extend the blessings of democracy to less favored lands. The real enemy was particularism, state rights, limited government.[4]

Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Too bad the the socialists and a collection of other left extremists have co-opted the term for themselves

"...that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."




Too funny
another American Leftist telling us that North Korea
is not socialist

-they call themselves socialists
-they study and praise socialism
-they hate capitalism

Perhaps the ugly truth of socialism drawn to its furthest conclusion
it what the Left can not stand to see
---
I know we will get it right
this time

 

[Unkotare]

And thanks to America..South Korea doesn't spend much on it's military.

Are you kidding? That's ridiculous.

That sound ridiculous?

Well yeah..it is.

It sounds ridiculous because it's not true.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The politics of North Korea take place within a nominally democratic multi-party system within the framework of the official state philosophy, Juche, a concept created by the founder of the North Korean state, Kim Il-sung, and his son and successor as leader, Kim Jong-il. In practice, North Korea functions as a single-party state. It is widely considered to be a de facto totalitarian dictatorship.

Politics of North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Agree
but acting under the economic system of a socialist state

the real issue is Statism
which depends on a large and intrusive
gov't