If Mexico can't eliminate the cartels, should the US military do the job ?

[AZrailwhale]

The US military hasn't won a single war that involved asymmetric warfare - not in Vietnam down to Afghanistan and Mali.
Therefore no nation that cares about it's own people would ever ask or allow the US military to come in and thus inflict 10'th of thousands of civilian casualties. aka a Gaza like situation in their own country.

The US military and it's mighty navy has been endlessly screwing around in the Philippines since 1945, and until today neither the Philippine military nor the US military is able to control the South-Philippine sea nor it's island and it's population in it's southern territories.

Therefore only US law enforcement units and e.g. the FBI, etc. might be able to support their Mexican counterparts in their fight against the Cartels. And once more then 100 US enforcement personal would be killed - the US will draw out it's units.

As such the US can only send tons of $$ to Mexico - taking the existing corruption into account, and let the Mexican security forces handle their own internal issue.

The US won Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Philippines. What we did was lose the peace due to people like you who gave away the military victories. The North Vietnamese were totally defeated and starving when they signed the Paris Peace Accords after stalling the negotiations for over a year until Nixon destroyed the road and rail links into China that was carrying the food North Vietnam couldn't grow for itself and mined the approaches to Haiphong Harbor so the Russians could bring their ships loaded with weapons, missiles and other war supplies to unload for the PAVN to use.

 

[Kruska]

That all part of being illegal Americans don't sell guns legally to the cartels you break up the entire thing

What a load of rubbish - Reagan's arms-sales all found their way DIRECTLY to drug makers and dealers. aka CARTELS aka CONTRAS.
And e.g. Mexican Cartels buy their weapons LEGALLY in and from the USA, as well as obtain them illegally in the USA, and thanks to the corruption prevailing in Mexico they get Brand new ones from the USA, also via the Mexican security forces.

Instead of wasting TRILLIONS of US$ on foreign wars - the USA should have invested into e.g. Mexico and as such ridding Mexico of poverty.
And in parallel automatically building/creating a solid market for US goods in Mexico.

You are just plain dumb - since your shitty attitude also prevails in regards to Palestinians. Poverty (systematically caused and upheld by Israel) caused and guarantees the economic environment, that continuously feeds radical Muslim organizations.

 

[Jroc]

What a load of rubbish - Reagan's arms-sales all found their way DIRECTLY to drug makers and dealers. aka CARTELS aka CONTRAS.
And e.g. Mexican Cartels buy their weapons LEGALLY in and from the USA, as well as obtain them illegally in the USA, and thanks to the corruption prevailing in Mexico they get Brand new ones from the USA, also via the Mexican security forces.

Instead of wasting TRILLIONS of US$ on foreign wars - the USA should have invested into e.g. Mexico and as such ridding Mexico of poverty.
And in parallel automatically building/creating a solid market for US goods in Mexico.

You are just plain dumb - since your shitty attitude also prevails in regards to Palestinians. Poverty (systematically caused and upheld by Israel) caused and guarantees the economic environment, that continuously feeds radical Muslim organizations.

You're a dumbass...it's not the 1980s anymore second cartels don't buy guns legally they're laundered illegally by arms dealers you idiot The Mexican government is weak corrupt and pathetic the poverty of the Arabs caused by not having a functioning society although their leaders are billionaires who don't even lived in the war torn parts...what a f****** dumbass you are ..the worst kind of dumbasses are the ones that think they're smart.... The stupid smart people

 

[Kruska]

You're a dumbass...it's not the 1980s anymore second cartels don't buy guns legally they're laundered illegally by arms dealers you idiot The Mexican government is weak corrupt and pathetic the poverty of the Arabs caused by not having a functioning society although their leaders are billionaires who don't even lived in the war torn parts...what a f****** dumbass you are ..the worst kind of dumbasses are the ones that think they're smart.... The stupid smart people

They been receiving weapons via Honduras, Nicaragua, Columbia, Panama and Salvador since the 80'ies - when do you dumbass think, that Cartels in Central America came up? and they obtain weapons LEGALLY from the USA via whatever companies they might place in-between.

As for your bull about Mexico's poverty and that of the Palestinians - keep your shit to yourself.

It is the USA that has been in TOTAL support of whatever corrupt governmnet in Mexico or e.g. Central America.
And it is the USA's unconditional support for Israel - that assured in keeping Palestinians poverty stricken.

 

[Edgetho]

The US won Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Philippines. What we did was lose the peace due to people like you who gave away the military victories. The North Vietnamese were totally defeated and starving when they signed the Paris Peace Accords after stalling the negotiations for over a year until Nixon destroyed the road and rail links into China that was carrying the food North Vietnam couldn't grow for itself and mined the approaches to Haiphong Harbor so the Russians could bring their ships loaded with weapons, missiles and other war supplies to unload for the PAVN to use.

People get the VN War all wrong. We weren't fighting the Vietnamese, we were fighting communist scum, armed by Russia, in order to liberate the Vietnamese. VN was originally 'ceded' to the Japanese during WW2. Hitler kinda talked the French into it. After WW2, North VN was awarded to the Soviets and became the #1, Numero Uno, Number One destination for Japanese War Criminals who didn't want to commit Seppuku.

Viet Nam is currently slightly better than an open sewer. Poor. Not utterly poor but a shithole, nonetheless. commies can't get anything right.

This is after over 50 years of Independence. On their own. Not only that -- The place is FILTHY. The Air Pollution is stifling, the sewers in most places are more like wishful thinking, drinking the water is taking your life in your hands, Air Conditioning is for the well-off and the food is life-threatening, Traffic is incredible and all the people can drive is 50cc and under motor bikes (about 6 or 7 horsepower). Unless you're well-off.

They're getting better. The VN people are hard-working, industrious folks but they can only do so much with the idiotic form of goobermint they use -- communism.

Contrast that to the South Koreans. Fifty years after their liberation, their Independence... Back in 2003, they had become a world class power. Industrial might, Military might, their culture and their society are First World now.

Compare that to the dimocrap scum-run North Korea. And, yes Virginia. dimocrap scum ARE communists. They're just too gutless, too cowardly to admit it.

 

[Mac-7]

Its the other way around.
It is the government that murders, kidnaps, and extorts.
The cartels are the good guys.

Ha! Ha!

 

[Mac-7]

Cartels can't possibly be "terrorists" because they only do what they should be able to do, conduct business.
The terrorists are the US puppets that imprison and kill millions.

See post #326

 

[Jroc]

They been receiving weapons via Honduras, Nicaragua, Columbia, Panama and Salvador since the 80'ies - when do you dumbass think, that Cartels in Central America came up? and they obtain weapons LEGALLY from the USA via whatever companies they might place in-between.

As for your bull about Mexico's poverty and that of the Palestinians - keep your shit to yourself.

It is the USA that has been in TOTAL support of whatever corrupt governmnet in Mexico or e.g. Central America.
And it is the USA's unconditional support for Israel - that assured in keeping Palestinians poverty stricken.

Yeah the U.S. has been in support Mexico's corrupt governments ....not Trump you idiot that's the point....do you admire the cartels?

 

[Stann]

Self-Defense. I know leftwingers have trouble wrapping their heads around this simple concept, but it has never been more relevant than right now. Mexican cartels & gangs from other latin-American countries have been killing Americans with fentanyl & other drugs + violence at a rate far surpassing Americans killed in Vietnam.

ACTION is required.

US Military needs to go into Mexico and team up with Mexican military, and destroy the cartels. This should be done with or without the consent of Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum.

If we go into.Mexico , we will own it , just like Iraq. Be smart for a change , stay out of Mexico.

 

[zaangalewa]

They barely have a functioning government there. Mexico is a freaking joke, the five most dangerous cities in the world are in Mexico. the cartels are running the freaking country, they regularly kill government officials.... The entire country of Mexico is pathetic, outside of the people who are mostly good people and Mexican food, what has the country of Mexico done for the betterment of society?....nothing

I never was in Mexico and I know no one from Mexico ... but as far as I can see your drug problem is an US-American problem which has very bad effects on Mexico. Anyway I am not able to understand why alcohol and drugs should be a problem. Don't use it! And I am also not able to understand why people are fascinated from machines which spit little pieces of metal through the air. This could hurt someone! Death and destruction never is a solution. All this self-made idiocies of all mankind are merely frustrating for me. A lot of senseless work to do which would be evitable. I'm very convinced: Don't use drugs in the USA and the drug cartels in Mexico will die.

 

[Jroc]

I never was in Mexico and I know no one from Mexico ... but as far as I can see your drug problem is an US-American problem which has very bad effects on Mexico. Anyway I am not able to understand why alcohol and drugs should be a problem. Don't use it! And I am also not able to understand why people are fascinated from machines which spit little pieces of metal through the air. This could hurt someone! Death and destruction never is a solution. All this self-made idiocies of all mankind are merely frustrating for me. A lot of senseless work to do which would be evitable. I'm very convinced: Don't use drugs in the USA and the drug cartels in Mexico will die.

Women and children are being sold into sex slavery and slave labor is that bother you ? And only 40% of illegals coming in are from Mexico Mexico is just a drop off point and they don't do anything to keep their side of the border closed they assist in the illegal immigration into our country

 

[protectionist]

Wrong.
The gangs and cartels are the good guys, and it the puppet dictators we set up that are evil.
Fentanyl is a legal drug and never killed anyone.
What is killing people is making fentanyl illegal without a prescription, so the buyers do not know the concentration, so are killed by the US government preventing proper labeling.

And using the military over what is a criminal offense obviously is illegal and totally wrong.
The military does not know how to determine what level of force is legal to use, and is trained only in how to kill, which is far worse than the gangs and cartels.

I won't even reply to a post as detached from reality as this. Have a nice day.

 

[Jroc]

Wrong.
The gangs and cartels are the good guys, and it the puppet dictators we set up that are evil.
Fentanyl is a legal drug and never killed anyone.
What is killing people is making fentanyl illegal without a prescription, so the buyers do not know the concentration, so are killed by the US government preventing proper labeling.

And using the military over what is a criminal offense obviously is illegal and totally wrong.
The military does not know how to determine what level of force is legal to use, and is trained only in how to kill, which is far worse than the gangs and cartels.

You're a lunatic do you work for the cartels or you just thos stupid normally?

 

[Jroc]

Wrong.
Most people in Mexico hate the government we forced on them, and support the cartels instead.
That is obvious since the cartels are growing.
They could not do that if unpopular.

What's obvious is you're full of s***

 

[TimFitz]

People get the VN War all wrong. We weren't fighting the Vietnamese, we were fighting communist scum, armed by Russia, in order to liberate the Vietnamese. VN was originally 'ceded' to the Japanese during WW2. Hitler kinda talked the French into it. After WW2, North VN was awarded to the Soviets and became the #1, Numero Uno, Number One destination for Japanese War Criminals who didn't want to commit Seppuku.

Viet Nam is currently slightly better than an open sewer. Poor. Not utterly poor but a shithole, nonetheless. commies can't get anything right.

This is after over 50 years of Independence. On their own. Not only that -- The place is FILTHY. The Air Pollution is stifling, the sewers in most places are more like wishful thinking, drinking the water is taking your life in your hands, Air Conditioning is for the well-off and the food is life-threatening, Traffic is incredible and all the people can drive is 50cc and under motor bikes (about 6 or 7 horsepower). Unless you're well-off.

They're getting better. The VN people are hard-working, industrious folks but they can only do so much with the idiotic form of goobermint they use -- communism.

Contrast that to the South Koreans. Fifty years after their liberation, their Independence... Back in 2003, they had become a world class power. Industrial might, Military might, their culture and their society are First World now.

Compare that to the dimocrap scum-run North Korea. And, yes Virginia. dimocrap scum ARE communists. They're just too gutless, too cowardly to admit it.

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You made ll of that up. And, like so many no nothing right wing rants, this one is totally ridiculous.We opposed the will of the Vietnamese people. Not Russia.

When the French collapsed after the disasterous defeat at Diem Bien Phu, the United Nations was brought in with American support to conduct a plebiscite in which all Vietnamese could vote on the government they want.

overwhelmingly, they chose abo Chi Minh, who he led the Vietnamese war for independence since 1945 and was viewed as a national hero.

This,of course, did not suit John Foster Dulles, and the US partitioned the country in two, with Ho in the North, and a corrupt collection of gangsters and thugs in the South.

That government was never popular,or loved. The Americans spent billions propping it up. At one point, our client state was so brutal and corrupt, that we had to fake a coup to remove our own man, Diem.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Japanese war criminals rushed to North Vietnam. You made that up too. But since you are trying to sell this idiotic claim, you can explain what all these imaginary war criminals did in the decade between the end of WWII and the 1956 partition of Viet Nam. I won’t hold my breath.

Your stereotypes about modern VietNam are parochial, uninformed BS.



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[TimFitz]

Its premature now, but as closing the border progresses the narco terrorists will do whatever they can to keep the border open

Whats to stop them from flying drones over the fence and blowing up a Border Patrol SUV?

Why?

People crossing the border illegally are not in the drug trade.

Most fentanyl enters the US in trailer and railroad cars crossing the border.

But the vast majority of it comes in container that pass through West Coast ports.

All this noise about fentanyl and dirty Mexican immigrants is nothing than Trump projection entirely intended to feed and trigger the racism of his knuckledraggers base.

 

[Jroc]

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You made ll of that up. And, like so many no nothing right wing rants, this one is totally ridiculous.We opposed the will of the Vietnamese people. Not Russia.

When the French collapsed after the disasterous defeat at Diem Bien Phu, the United Nations was brought in with American support to conduct a plebiscite in which all Vietnamese could vote on the government they want.

overwhelmingly, they chose abo Chi Minh, who he led the Vietnamese war for independence since 1945 and was viewed as a national hero.

This,of course, did not suit John Foster Dulles, and the US partitioned the country in two, with Ho in the North, and a corrupt collection of gangsters and thugs in the South.

That government was never popular,or loved. The Americans spent billions propping it up. At one point, our client state was so brutal and corrupt, that we had to fake a coup to remove our own man, Diem.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Japanese war criminals rushed to North Vietnam. You made that up too. But since you are trying to sell this idiotic claim, you can explain what all these imaginary war criminals did in the decade between the end of WWII and the 1956 partition of Viet Nam. I won’t hold my breath.

Your stereotypes about modern VietNam are parochial, uninformed BS.



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Right wing? Democrat party got us tied up in Vietnam

 

[Mac-7]

Why?

People crossing the border illegally are not in the drug trade.

Most fentanyl enters the US in trailer and railroad cars crossing the border.

But the vast majority of it comes in container that pass through West Coast ports.

All this noise about fentanyl and dirty Mexican immigrants is nothing than Trump projection entirely intended to feed and trigger the racism of his knuckledraggers base.

Only libs think America cannot do two things at once.

Close the border and work harder watching the ports

 

[TimFitz]

Right wing? Democrat party got us tied up in Vietnam

Your pointless tribalism aside.

Dulles wanted US troops in Viet Man in 1954. Matt Ridgeway, who was chairman of the Jpint Chiefs at the time, pushed back hard, and Eisenhower sided with him.

Oh, and contrary to your false claim, US advisors were in Viet Nam even before the French left. And Dulles had us paying 80% of the French military there.

 

[Billiejeens]

THOUSANDS of Americans have been killed by these filth. Why isn't Mexico a smoldering pile of bombed out rubble? We have fought wars and wiped out other countries for less.

The other countries didn't pick our crops.