If Jefferson founded Republican Party in 1793, liberalism has no place in our history

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Really? Examples?

Too easy!!! welfare programs destroyed the American family and the highest tax rates in the world drove many corporations in whole or in part off shore thus creating huge inequality! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?

I asked for examples and you gave talking points uncorroborated by any evidence.

dear, highest taxes in world is a fact and a talking point! See why we say slow?

 

[Agit8r]

Too easy!!! welfare programs destroyed the American family and the highest tax rates in the world drove many corporations in whole or in part off shore thus creating huge inequality! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?

I asked for examples and you gave talking points uncorroborated by any evidence.

dear, highest taxes in world is a fact and a talking point! See why we say slow?

Though I do agree with bringing corporate tax rates down (while replacing said revenue with taxes on stock transactions) it is not a certain fact that we have the "highest taxes" because most companies avail themselves of various loopholes and incentives, that bring their particular tax burden down.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I asked for examples and you gave talking points uncorroborated by any evidence.

dear, highest taxes in world is a fact and a talking point! See why we say slow?

Though I do agree with bringing corporate tax rates down (while replacing said revenue with taxes on stock transactions) it is not a certain fact that we have the "highest taxes" because most companies avail themselves of various loopholes and incentives, that bring their particular tax burden down.

dear, the loopholes require them to move out of the country in order to reduce their tax burden. Now you can see why taxes should be eliminated to end Obama's recession and create a huge boom!

Ireland dropped their rates to 12.5% and most corporations relocated there in whole or on part. NYC state and many others are currently offering tax incentives for companies to move there!!.

A child can understand just not a liberal. Sad- right?

 

[regent]

dear, highest taxes in world is a fact and a talking point! See why we say slow?

Though I do agree with bringing corporate tax rates down (while replacing said revenue with taxes on stock transactions) it is not a certain fact that we have the "highest taxes" because most companies avail themselves of various loopholes and incentives, that bring their particular tax burden down.

dear, the loopholes require them to move out of the country in order to reduce their tax burden. Now you can see why taxes should be eliminated to end Obama's recession and create a huge boom!

Ireland dropped their rates to 12.5% and most corporations relocated there in whole or on part. NYC state and many others are currently offering tax incentives for companies to move there!!.

A child can understand just not a liberal. Sad- right?

Corporations pay for those tax loopholes and if the loopholes do not cover some areas those corporations have elected not to buy some loopholes.

 

[Agit8r]

dear, the loopholes require them to move out of the country in order to reduce their tax burden.

Now u are regurgitating Democratic talking points? Wow.

Now you can see why taxes should be eliminated to end Obama's recession and create a huge boom!

eliminate, right... okey doke

Ireland dropped their rates to 12.5% and most corporations relocated there in whole or on part.

If most corporations had relocated to Ireland and paid 12.5%, then why did the EU have to bail Ireland out?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If most corporations had relocated to Ireland and paid 12.5%, then why did the EU have to bail Ireland out?

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

 

[Pogo]

If most corporations had relocated to Ireland and paid 12.5%, then why did the EU have to bail Ireland out?

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If most corporations had relocated to Ireland and paid 12.5%, then why did the EU have to bail Ireland out?

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP[Republican] was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

If Jefferson and Madison did not found Republican Party in 1793 I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs yet again.

 

[Darkwind]

Sad but true, our liberals spied for Stalin's big liberal govt and never had any respect or understanding of Jeffersonian/Madisonian freedom from big liberal govt. In fact, our Constitution was little more than an attempt to make liberalism illegal in America.

I hate to break it to you, but the Founding Fathers were what is termed, "Classic Liberals' by today's standards....Meaning they were more closely attenuated with today's Conservatives.....but back then, they WERE the liberals.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sad but true, our liberals spied for Stalin's big liberal govt and never had any respect or understanding of Jeffersonian/Madisonian freedom from big liberal govt. In fact, our Constitution was little more than an attempt to make liberalism illegal in America.

I hate to break it to you, but the Founding Fathers were what is termed, "Classic Liberals' by today's standards....Meaning they were more closely attenuated with today's Conservatives.....but back then, they WERE the liberals.

1) attenuated does not mean aligned

2) our Founders were conservatives in that they were for very very limited govt exactly like modern conservatives. The liberal idea, i.e., big govt, is really socialism lite and has no place in American history or ideology.

 

[regent]

Sad but true, our liberals spied for Stalin's big liberal govt and never had any respect or understanding of Jeffersonian/Madisonian freedom from big liberal govt. In fact, our Constitution was little more than an attempt to make liberalism illegal in America.

I hate to break it to you, but the Founding Fathers were what is termed, "Classic Liberals' by today's standards....Meaning they were more closely attenuated with today's Conservatives.....but back then, they WERE the liberals.

1) attenuated does not mean aligned

2) our Founders were conservatives in that they were for very very limited govt exactly like modern conservatives. The liberal idea, i.e., big govt, is really socialism lite and has no place in American history or ideology.

If the size of government were the definition of liberal and conservative it would not matter then what government does, but I think most people see what government does as more indicative of ideology than size. America was founded on liberal ideas and the liberal ideas continue their slow/fast domination of American progress.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

America was founded on liberal ideas and the liberal ideas continue their slow/fast domination of American progress.

if by liberal ideas you mean conservative ideas about very very limited govt you are right! Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If the size of government were the definition of liberal and conservative it would not matter then what government does, but I think most people see what government does as more indicative of ideology than size.

dear, the ideology of conservatives is freedom from govt or small sized government. Do you get it now?

 

[regent]

America was founded on liberal ideas and the liberal ideas continue their slow/fast domination of American progress.

if by liberal ideas you mean conservative ideas about very very limited govt you are right! Do you understand?

No, I meant liberal ideas not conservative ideas. Do you have any idea of a definition of liberal/conservatism besides the size of government?

 

[guno]

Sad but true, our liberals spied for Stalin's big liberal govt and never had any respect or understanding of Jeffersonian/Madisonian freedom from big liberal govt. In fact, our Constitution was little more than an attempt to make liberalism illegal in America.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors".
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sad but true, our liberals spied for Stalin's big liberal govt and never had any respect or understanding of Jeffersonian/Madisonian freedom from big liberal govt. In fact, our Constitution was little more than an attempt to make liberalism illegal in America.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors".
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do you have any idea of a definition of liberal/conservatism besides the size of government?

no because that [freedom versus govt] is the central idea of human history and the central idea of modern Republicans and Democrats. You might say Republicans are smart and Democrats are dumb.

 

[regent]

Do you have any idea of a definition of liberal/conservatism besides the size of government?

no because that [freedom versus govt] is the central idea of human history and the central idea of modern Republicans and Democrats. You might say Republicans are smart and Democrats are dumb.

So one more time, if governments take away freedom, why do people establish governments? People seem to see it as a trade-off, giving up some freedom to have the security of government?
We have in our own nation the best example of people giving up freedom to establish a bigger stronger government. After the American revolution Americans had a super duper limited government. We had a government that could do almost nothing, powerless, not just limited, but almost nonexistent. The founders decided they wanted a stronger larger government with less limits, and more power. So the people created a new stronger government and many of us are grateful for the creation.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So one more time, if governments take away freedom, why do people establish governments?.

to establish and maintain freedom, obviously.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The founders decided they wanted a stronger larger government .

too stupid of course. The Articles gave us a very very very limited govt. Many of our founders did not want a larger govt and accordingingly did not show up for first convention. They did not want a Bill Of Rights, for example, out of fear that if evil govt was given the responsibility to protect rights it would instead subvert that responsibility and use it to instead take away rights. The new govt they created gave us a very very limited govt about 1% the size of the current one on an inflation adjusted per capita basis.

Liberals oppose the concept of limited govt and so are not really Americans. Now you know why they spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb.


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