If Jefferson founded Republican Party in 1793, liberalism has no place in our history

[Pogo]

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP[Republican] was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

If Jefferson and Madison did not found Republican Party in 1793 I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs yet again.

Is that another 10k on top of the 20 you already owe me?

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

By the way we use articles in English. You don't "found party", you "found a party" or found the party. Jefferson and Madison founded a party. They did not found the party. Don't think you're going to save money with your childish ignorance dance.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

PLease tell us what the Republican Party said about Jefferson's Republican Party. Thanks



When Jefferson declared in the passage he did include in his first inaguural that: we are all republicans; we are all federalists." he meant really that the party wars were over; that the Republicans had won;and that the Federalists should fit themselves in...

A.James Reichley "The Life of the Parties"( most thorough look at Party history ever written) Page 52

 

[Pogo]

Is that another 10k on top of the 20 you already owe me?

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

By the way we use articles in English. You don't "found party", you "found a party" or found the party. Jefferson and Madison founded a party. They did not found the party. Don't think you're going to save money with your childish ignorance dance.

PLease tell us what the Republican Party said about Jefferson's Republican Party. Thanks



When Jefferson declared in the passage he did include in his first inaguural that: we are all republicans; we are all federalists." he meant really that the party wars were over; that the Republicans had won;and that the Federalists should fit themselves in...

A.James Reichley "The Life of the Parties"( most thorough look at Party history ever written) Page 52

"republicans" -- small R. Learn how English works. If you meant to capitalize them as proper names, then what Jefferson is saying is that we are all Americans regardless of party. Nothing in that passage indicates a hierarchy.

Please tell me what the bank says about that $30,000 money transfer.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Is that another 10k on top of the 20 you already owe me?

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

By the way we use articles in English. You don't "found party", you "found a party" or found the party. Jefferson and Madison founded a party. They did not found the party. Don't think you're going to save money with your childish ignorance dance.

PLease tell us what the Republican Party said about Jefferson's Republican Party. Thanks



When Jefferson declared in the passage he did include in his first inaguural that: we are all republicans; we are all federalists." he meant really that the party wars were over; that the Republicans had won;and that the Federalists should fit themselves in...

A.James Reichley "The Life of the Parties"( most thorough look at Party history ever written) Page 52

"republicans" -- small R. Learn how English works. If you meant to capitalize them as proper names, then what Jefferson is saying is that we are all Americans regardless of party. Nothing in that passage indicates a hierarchy.

Please tell me what the bank says about that $30,000 money transfer.

dear Republicans and Federalists were the two parties in the election. SLOW?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If most corporations had relocated to Ireland and paid 12.5%, then why did the EU have to bail Ireland out?

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

He did the same thing about China.

He spouted clueless nonsense, ran off, then came back and regurged the very same stuff.

He also posted he's a published author ...

Isn't that right [MENTION=34008]EdwardBaiamonte[/MENTION]

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He spouted clueless nonsense,

can you present an example or admit to being little more than an liar.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I hate to break it to you, but the Founding Fathers were what is termed, "Classic Liberals' by today's standards....Meaning they were more closely attenuated with today's Conservatives.....

this is true the liberal idea of always bigger govt and more welfare is in no way part of the founder's thinking.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Lefties think our founding was leftist because the Federalists won the constitutional debate. However, they ignore the fact that the Constitution prevented Federalist desires to expand the central authority into a fiscal-military, British-style monarchy.

yes and they also forget that the second Jefferson and Madison got wind of what the Federalists wanted they formed the Republican Party and crushed.

Indeed, once Madison began to realize the trending power-mongering of the Federalists, he abandoned that party.

yes and then it promptly died since big liberal government was not part of our Founding. It is an utter lie that modern Democrats have some connection to basic American principles.

 

[Pogo]

Lefties think our founding was leftist..

Ridiculous. Where has anyone ever suggested that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Lefties think our founding was leftist.../QUOTE]

Where has anyone ever suggested that?

to this day liberals claim Jefferson and Jackson as Democrats. Its a great lie that has worked to make it seem Democrats were present at the creation when really they have no place here.

 

[Pogo]

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

Dear, what Party do you think Jefferson Founded in 1793 with Madison?

 

[Pogo]

Lefties think our founding was leftist.../QUOTE]

Where has anyone ever suggested that?

to this day liberals claim Jefferson and Jackson as Democrats. Its a great lie that has worked to make it seem Democrats were present at the creation when really they have no place here.

"Democrats" didn't exist until around the same time as Jefferson died -- the 1820s. That accounts for Jackson.

But the poster didn't say "liberals" -- he said "lefties". I know you don't know the difference since you can't even read a calendar. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know the difference.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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But the poster didn't say "liberals" -- he said "lefties".

dear, either you're for govt or not. Lefties and liberals spied for Stalin becuase they were for govt.

 

[JWBooth]

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

Dear, what Party do you think Jefferson Founded in 1793 with Madison?

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

Eddie is stuck on stupid, convinced that because nearly two hundred years ago a group chose to lable itself with a name, a name that they subsequently stopped using, said name directly ties the current group using the lable to the old.

 

[JWBooth]

The silly bugger also suffers under the delusion that because there are some minor rhetorical similarities between the odd goper and Jefferson or Madison, this cements a philosophical tie. Emperrical evidence to the contrary.

 

[Pogo]

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

Dear, what Party do you think Jefferson Founded in 1793 with Madison?

The party Jefferson founded became the current Democratic Party.

The modern Republican Party didn't exist until right before the Civil War.

1) except the current Democratic Party holds the opposite philosophy of Jefferson's Republican party

2) except the modern Republcan Party holds the exact limited govt philosophy of Jefferson's Party

Modern Democrats are more Marxist than American. Do you understand?

Except that the Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the Whig Party and adopted its primary points, a strong central government, national debt, doling out money from the treasury to favored corporate interests.

Indeed.

And that was in 1854. When worms were crawling in and out of the eye sockets of the decomposing body of Thomas Jefferson, who died freaking 1828.

Eddie is stuck on stupid, convinced that because nearly two hundred years ago a group chose to lable itself with a name, a name that they subsequently stopped using, said name directly ties the current group using the lable to the old.

I imagine he thinks Hillary Clinton and George Clinton are the same person too.

 

[Agit8r]

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP[Republican] was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

If Jefferson and Madison did not found Republican Party in 1793 I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs yet again.

Is that another 10k on top of the 20 you already owe me?

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

By the way we use articles in English. You don't "found party", you "found a party" or found the party. Jefferson and Madison founded a party. They did not found the party. Don't think you're going to save money with your childish ignorance dance.

I'm still waiting for the $10K I'm owed for completely debunking the argument near the beginning of the thread, so don't hold your breath.

 

[Pogo]

dear, there was an international financial collapse that had nothing to do with corporate tax rates. You are not intelligent enough to be here. Sorry.

Ironic dropping from a moron who tries to tell us the RP[Republican] was founded 60 years before it existed, gets completely taken to the woodshed, then comes back a year later and posts the same thing AGAIN, and even after getting completley refuted by the Republican Party's own website history, STILL goes on with it.

Frickin' wacko.

If Jefferson and Madison did not found Republican Party in 1793 I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet? or run away with your liberal tail between your legs yet again.

Is that another 10k on top of the 20 you already owe me?

The RP itself refuted you, right in this thread. Pay up.

By the way we use articles in English. You don't "found party", you "found a party" or found the party. Jefferson and Madison founded a party. They did not found the party. Don't think you're going to save money with your childish ignorance dance.

I'm still waiting for the $10K I'm owed for completely debunking the argument near the beginning of the thread, so don't hold your breath.

Yeah but I debunked him last year when he tried to float this same turd, so ... line forms at da rear Bud.

 

[Agit8r]

Your point is that we do not need a centralized government, but that like Jefferson's desire that America be a nation of farmers is also not to be.
If we double the size of America again with almost uninhabited land, government
will grow some more.

America does not need to double in geographic size for government to grow. Government growing is a certainty...like the sun raising in the East.

A great man said it well...long ago...too bad so many Americans are clueless...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

George Washington

And he also said:

"The Men who oppose a strong & energetic government are, in my opinion, narrow minded politicians"
-- George Washington; from letter to Alexander Hamilton (July 10, 1787)


And, yes; too bad so many Americans are clueless!

That quote only proves that even great men can be wrong occasionally. However, if you believe he meant by that statement, he would find acceptable the uncontrolled omnipresent government we have today, you need to think again.

Well, let's see...

"Experience has taught us, that men will not adopt and carry into execution measures the best calculated for their own good, without the intervention of a coercive power."
-- George Washington; from letter to John Jay (Aug. 1, 1786)

He may not be a modern liberal, but he wasn't on your side by a long shot