If Israel intends “genocide,” why did they evacuate 90% of Palestinians before heavy warfare began?

[JoeB131]

If Israel wanted to commit genocide on those Arabs, they would have all been dead by the end of October 2023. Instead, Israel delayed the fighting while they evacuated 90% of them.

Isn't that like saying, "If Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, there'd be no Jews left today."

They didn't evacuate anyone, and they didn't delay the fighting one minute after they mobilized.

Only 3% killed while the israelis defend against the vicious attack that started on October seventh and continues to this day? Remarkable restraint by IDF.

Hey, it's not like they're killing white people, amiright?

 

[JoeB131]

In 20 months?
Damn, if I wanted to commit genocide on those Arabs, I could have killed 3% in the first day.
10% in the first week. 20% in the first month.

Yes, we all know you have some sick fantasies about wanting to kill brown people

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, we all know you have some sick fantasies about wanting to kill brown people

Liar.

 

[Rawley]

Sure as hell looks like it to me.

Becasue you are a Jew-hater.

ThIs is a genocide - 800,000 dead in 100 days,

Rwanda genocide: 100 days of slaughter

In just 100 days in 1994, some 800,000 people were slaughtered in Rwanda by ethnic Hutu extremists - how did the genocide happen?

www.bbc.com

 

[JoeB131]

Becasue you are a Jew-hater.

ThIs is a genocide - 800,000 dead in 100 days,

Rwanda genocide: 100 days of slaughter

In just 100 days in 1994, some 800,000 people were slaughtered in Rwanda by ethnic Hutu extremists - how did the genocide happen?

www.bbc.com

On the other hand, only about 40,000 were killed in Bosnia, and that was classified as a genocide.

 

[Rawley]

On the other hand, only about 40,000 were killed in Bosnia, and that was classified as a genocide.

Well, there were only 40,000 Bosnian Muslims in the country, so, pretty safe to call it a genocide.

Have anyone pother than you terrorist buddies confirmed your claim of 40,000 deaths in Gaza?

 

[alang1216]

To the antisemites spreading the HAMAS propaganda that the Jews are committing genocide…

1) Why did they successfully evacuate 90% of Palestinians before the heavy fighting began?

2) What other countries delays action against people they want to genocide in order to evacuate them to safety?

3) Why are you spreading obvious Islamic terrorist lies?

4) Did Russia evacuate the Ukrainians prior to action? And were the Russians attacked in a savage massacre that precipitated that action?

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If the Gazans leave Gaza, will they be allowed to return? I don't believe the Palestinians who fled the fighting of 1948 were allowed to return.

AI Overview

While "exiling a people" or forced displacement is not legally defined as genocide on its own, it can be a component of genocide or considered a crime against humanity, according to the United Nations. The crucial difference is intent.

 

[Lisa558]

If the Gazans leave Gaza, will they be allowed to return? I don't believe the Palestinians who fled the fighting of 1948 were allowed to return.

AI Overview

While "exiling a people" or forced displacement is not legally defined as genocide on its own, it can be a component of genocide or considered a crime against humanity, according to the United Nations. The crucial difference is intent.

You didn’t answer any of my questions.

 

[rosends]

If the Gazans leave Gaza, will they be allowed to return? I don't believe the Palestinians who fled the fighting of 1948 were allowed to return.

You should read up on it. Start here:
"In 1949, Israel offered to allow families that had been separated during the war to return, to release refugee accounts frozen in Israeli banks (eventually released in 1953), to pay compensation for abandoned lands and to repatriate 100,000 refugees."

and in the meanwhile,

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/units/cutodian_unit

 

[alang1216]

You didn’t answer any of my questions.

They seemed rhetorical.

 

[alang1216]

You should read up on it. Start here:
"In 1949, Israel offered to allow families that had been separated during the war to return, to release refugee accounts frozen in Israeli banks (eventually released in 1953), to pay compensation for abandoned lands and to repatriate 100,000 refugees."

AI sees it a little differently:

AI Overview

No, Israel did not allow Palestinians to return to their homes and land after 1948. In fact, Israel actively prevented their return, which has been a major point of contention and a central issue in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Palestinian Displacement:
  Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, a large portion of the Palestinian population was displaced, either fleeing or being forced to leave their homes.
  
  
• Israel's Refusal:
  Israel refused to allow these Palestinians to return, citing concerns about maintaining a Jewish majority and the potential for a Palestinian majority within its borders.
  
  
• International Recognition:
  Despite Israel's position, the UN General Assembly repeatedly recognized the right of return for Palestinian refugees.
  
  
• Ongoing Dispute:
  The right of return is still a highly contested issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with Palestinians demanding their right to return while Israel continues to oppose it.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, there were only 40,000 Bosnian Muslims in the country, so, pretty safe to call it a genocide.

Are you always this ignorant?

Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Population - 3,422,000

Religion - 50% Muslim

This means that 1.7 Million Bosniaks are Muslims.

The Serbs only killed about 9000 Bosniaks, and it was STILL classified as a Genocide by the UN.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Are you always this ignorant?

Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Population - 3,422,000

Religion - 50% Muslim

This means that 1.7 Million Bosniaks are Muslims.

The Serbs only killed about 9000 Bosniaks, and it was STILL classified as a Genocide by the UN.

Which is another reason not to trust the UN. According to the legal definition of genocide, unless the killing is part of a plan to destroy a national, ethnic or religious group, it is not genocide.

 

[JoeB131]

Which is another reason not to trust the UN. According to the legal definition of genocide, unless the killing is part of a plan to destroy a national, ethnic or religious group, it is not genocide.

It's not just the UN. The US took the same position at the time that what was going on in Bosnia was genocide.

We have also classified what is going on against the Rohingya in Myanmar (Burma) as Genocide, even though the death toll there was only about 25000 - 43000

Rohingya genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We classify what China is doing to the Uyghurs as "Genocide", even though nowhere near 53,000 have been killed.

(What the Chinese are doing is a lot more insideous, forcing sterilization.)

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's not just the UN. The US took the same position at the time that what was going on in Bosnia was genocide.

We have also classified what is going on against the Rohingya in Myanmar (Burma) as Genocide, even though the death toll there was only about 25000 - 43000

Rohingya genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We classify what China is doing to the Uyghurs as "Genocide", even though nowhere near 53,000 have been killed.

(What the Chinese are doing is a lot more insideous, forcing sterilization.)

It doesn't matter who said what. The word, genocide, has a legal definition - an effort to destroy a national, ethnic or religious group - and if the action referred to does not fit that definition, it is not genocide. Clearly, what is happening in Gaza does not fit that definition of genocide, it is not a genocide.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't matter who said what. The word, genocide, has a legal definition - an effort to destroy a national, ethnic or religious group - and if the action referred to does not fit that definition, it is not genocide. Clearly, what is happening in Gaza does not fit that definition of genocide, it is not a genocide.

Since the goal here is to destroy Palestine/Palestinians as a national or ethnic group, it would apply.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Since the goal here is to destroy Palestine/Palestinians as a national or ethnic group, it would apply.

Again, genocide is not about destroying ideologies, as you suggest, but actual people, who belong national, ethnic or religious groups. There is simply no rational analysis that leads to the conclusion that what is going on in Gaza is genocide.

 

[rosends]

AI sees it a little differently:

AI Overview

No, Israel did not allow Palestinians to return to their homes and land after 1948. In fact, Israel actively prevented their return, which has been a major point of contention and a central issue in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Palestinian Displacement:
  Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, a large portion of the Palestinian population was displaced, either fleeing or being forced to leave their homes.
  
  
• Israel's Refusal:
  Israel refused to allow these Palestinians to return, citing concerns about maintaining a Jewish majority and the potential for a Palestinian majority within its borders.
  
  
• International Recognition:
  Despite Israel's position, the UN General Assembly repeatedly recognized the right of return for Palestinian refugees.
  
  
• Ongoing Dispute:
  The right of return is still a highly contested issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with Palestinians demanding their right to return while Israel continues to oppose it.

So you are relying on AI and not the sourced material and the codified laws which I cited?

Wow.

 

[Crepitus]

To the antisemites spreading the HAMAS propaganda that the Jews are committing genocide…

1) Why did they successfully evacuate 90% of Palestinians before the heavy fighting began?

2) What other countries delays action against people they want to genocide in order to evacuate them to safety?

3) Why are you spreading obvious Islamic terrorist lies?

4) Did Russia evacuate the Ukrainians prior to action? And were the Russians attacked in a savage massacre that precipitated that action?

Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any… | John Spencer | 42 comments

Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any military in history — above & beyond what international law requires & more than the US did in its wars in Iraq & Afghanistan -- setting a standard that will be both hard & potentially problematic to repeat. Here are many of the...

www.linkedin.com

The Jews on the trains were told they were going to safe places as well.

 

[alang1216]

So you are relying on AI and not the sourced material and the codified laws which I cited?

Wow.

I'm sure your source, the Jewish Virtual Library, is totally fair and unbiased, but I thought an AI review of the entirety of the internet would offer a nice, concise, and balanced view.