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[GLASNOST]

.... you have yet to provide the false commandments of the liar moses that were never witnessed .....

I think that sums it up.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus claimed to be more than the messiah and behaved as if he were more than the messiah. The gospels make a concerted effort to show that Jesus taught that the messiah would be a suffering servant as foretold in Isaiah 53:1-12. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus acknowledged being a king, but redefined this role as a spiritual, non-political, and heavenly sovereignty rather than a conventional earthly monarchy. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus affirmed a role greater than David.

Isaiah 53 is past plural tense about Israel, not future singular tense about a messiah figure.
Besides Isaiah's messiah is Michael in Isaiah 44-45 in conjunction with Ezra 1 and Dan 12:20-21 and in Isaiah commentary in the scrolls(see sources at bottom of post).

Sources: Isaiah 53:9 is about the servants of God not a Moshiach. Israel was despised while Jesus was deemed popular in NT can not be the plural past tense in Isaiah 53.
53 is about Israel Plural past tense not a singular future tense messiah. Context of Isaiah Israel is God's servant 14 times mentioned as such.
Isaiah 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men."
Just as I showed many times where Lilith represented Israel rejected and sent away by Adam(man) for seeking equal rights but eventually brought back by Adam (man).
Jesus was popular according to the NT therefore can't be despised without saying the NT lies.
It cannot be a match to Jesus with the Christian Bible showing a man who was supposedly "praised by all"(Luke 2 :52, Luke 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25). So then according to Christian standards Israel must be referred to since Israel is Called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10, 52:13) In 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" In chapter 52, for example, ACCORDING TO History it's Israel "oppressed without cause" (v.4) and "taken away" (v.5).
Context also talks of Israel being disfigured and unrecognizable whether the people in deathcamps or Israel boundries being disfigured and unrecognizable Israel best fits Isaiah 53.
In no way is Isaiah 53 messianic.

*scroll sources: (scroll 4 Q285 Fr. 5 which is written in the Book of Isaiah & In the
"Isaiah Commentary" scroll: (IQSb,v 20-29)
War Scroll” (4Q471)

 

[Woodznutz]

the 4th century crucifiers have their own agenda and use jesus to convince the innocent to follow them is their primary goal throughout their book - again you have yet to provide the false commandments of the liar moses that were never witnessed used for your own purposes with theirs to persecute and victimize the innocent.

the at least honest jews admit there is not a religion of judaism simply their history ... not so jesus and the 1st century events, events what nutz has no understanding for what so ever that are based on the spoken heavenly religion of antiquity, six words in length - the triumph of good vs evil - what is required to receive an affirmative judgement from the heavens for admission to the everlasting.

There's some truth there. I have pretty much triumphed over my evil past. Now I am a good guy.

 

[ding]

Isaiah 53 is past plural tense about Israel, not future singular tense about a messiah figure.
Besides Isaiah's messiah is Michael in Isaiah 44-45 in conjunction with Ezra 1 and Dan 12:20-21 and in Isaiah commentary in the scrolls(see sources at bottom of post).

Sources: Isaiah 53:9 is about the servants of God not a Moshiach. Israel was despised while Jesus was deemed popular in NT can not be the plural past tense in Isaiah 53.
53 is about Israel Plural past tense not a singular future tense messiah. Context of Isaiah Israel is God's servant 14 times mentioned as such.
Isaiah 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men."
Just as I showed many times where Lilith represented Israel rejected and sent away by Adam(man) for seeking equal rights but eventually brought back by Adam (man).
Jesus was popular according to the NT therefore can't be despised without saying the NT lies.
It cannot be a match to Jesus with the Christian Bible showing a man who was supposedly "praised by all"(Luke 2 :52, Luke 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25). So then according to Christian standards Israel must be referred to since Israel is Called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10, 52:13) In 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" In chapter 52, for example, ACCORDING TO History it's Israel "oppressed without cause" (v.4) and "taken away" (v.5).
Context also talks of Israel being disfigured and unrecognizable whether the people in deathcamps or Israel boundries being disfigured and unrecognizable Israel best fits Isaiah 53.
In no way is Isaiah 53 messianic.

*scroll sources: (scroll 4 Q285 Fr. 5 which is written in the Book of Isaiah & In the
"Isaiah Commentary" scroll: (IQSb,v 20-29)
War Scroll” (4Q471)

Jesus claimed to be more than the messiah and behaved as if he were more than the messiah. The gospels make a concerted effort to show that Jesus taught that the messiah would be a suffering servant as foretold in Isaiah 53:1-12. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus acknowledged being a king, but redefined this role as a spiritual, non-political, and heavenly sovereignty rather than a conventional earthly monarchy. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus affirmed a role greater than David.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jesus claimed to be more than the messiah and behaved as if he were more than the messiah. The gospels make a concerted effort to show that Jesus taught that the messiah would be a suffering servant as foretold in Isaiah 53:1-12. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus acknowledged being a king, but redefined this role as a spiritual, non-political, and heavenly sovereignty rather than a conventional earthly monarchy. The gospels make a concerted effort to show Jesus affirmed a role greater than David.

Jews do not regard Jesus as the messiah.

 

[ding]

Jews do not regard Jesus as the messiah.

I know. Jesus claimed to be more than the messiah and behaved as if he were more than the messiah. Jesus acknowledged being a king, but redefined this role as a spiritual, non-political, and heavenly sovereignty rather than a conventional earthly monarchy.

 

[Meriweather]

Jews do not regard Jesus as the messiah.

So?

 

[Hafar1014]

So?

Trump is the messiah

 

[Meriweather]

Trump is the messiah

Jews believe President Trump, the 47th President of the United States is the messiah? First time I've heard that. Source?