If Giuliani’s Obama Smear Wasn’t Racist, What Was It?

[TemplarKormac]

He spoke out against our President so it must be racist...

If it wasn't racist - what was his point? What is his agenda?

There was no agenda. He simply stated his peace. Your agenda however, is to smear people who dare speak out against Obama. Identity politics went out the window with last year's elections.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I will ask this question, though:

What has Obama done to demonstrate his love for his country?

 

[Andylusion]

He spoke out against our President so it must be racist...

If it wasn't racist - what was his point? What is his agenda?

He was saying that he does not believe that Obama loves America. I don't believe Obama loves America.

What was the point? To say his opinion that Obama doesn't love America.

What was the agenda? To tell other people his opinion.

Are you suggesting that every single person on this forum right now that has expressed an opinion of anyone, must be doing so for racial reasons, because..... what was their point? What was their Agenda?

Politicians are people. They have opinions too.

Why is it that the people most often claiming to be against prejudice are the first to pre-judge the actions of others?

Who said you were the judge and jury to determine the divine motivations of others?

 

[Clementine]

When Rudy Giuliani accused President Obama of not loving America, was he expressing a form of racism? If not, what was Giuliani saying?

I have argued, controversially to some on the left, that it is important to grapple with ideas on their own terms before merely analyzing their motivations. American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism, but most of those ideas can be expressed and justified in non-racial terms, and deserve to be taken at face value. The trouble with Giuliani’s comments is that they lack the coherence necessary to be analyzed as an idea. Brush away the bilious rage he has emitted, and nothing solid remains behind.

The original basis for Giuliani’s comments was Obama’s allegedly unusual upbringing. “He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country,” alleged the former mayor. As Wayne Barrett points out, Giuliani’s father was a mob enforcer, and he and his five brothers all avoided military service during World War II. What about this upbringing in any way suggests it conveyed some deeper patriotism than Obama’s?

Giuliani subsequently clarified his original remarks, though not in the way he intended, by asserting that Obama’s alleged anti-Americanism amounted to “socialism or possibly anti-colonialism.” Here Giuliani is reprising the theories of Dinesh D’Souza, who has described Obama as fundamentally influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism. Unfortunately for Giuliani, D’Souza’s racism is so transparent not even many conservatives care to defend it any longer.

More: If Giuliani's Smear Wasn't Racist, What Was It? -- NYMag

If his Obama smear wasn't racist, I have no idea what it was. It was bizarre and makes no sense to rational thinking - other than racism. But why? What's his point? Is he thinking of running for president?

NOTHING to do with race. Everything to do with him taking issue with Obama wanting to fundamentally transform this country. Does the left understand what 'fundamentally transform' even means? He hasn't talked about fixing the problems or getting back on track. He talks of outdated ideas, like capitalism, and says he wants to change the country in a way that would mean tearing it down and rebuilding into something else. He has criticized the constitution in the past. He clearly does not like the constitution giving more power to the people than the government. He took issue with that during a radio interview years ago. Nothing has changed. He thinks his pen and phone are mightier than our founding document.

It's not race. It's ideology. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[thereisnospoon]

When Rudy Giuliani accused President Obama of not loving America, was he expressing a form of racism? If not, what was Giuliani saying?

I have argued, controversially to some on the left, that it is important to grapple with ideas on their own terms before merely analyzing their motivations. American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism, but most of those ideas can be expressed and justified in non-racial terms, and deserve to be taken at face value. The trouble with Giuliani’s comments is that they lack the coherence necessary to be analyzed as an idea. Brush away the bilious rage he has emitted, and nothing solid remains behind.

The original basis for Giuliani’s comments was Obama’s allegedly unusual upbringing. “He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country,” alleged the former mayor. As Wayne Barrett points out, Giuliani’s father was a mob enforcer, and he and his five brothers all avoided military service during World War II. What about this upbringing in any way suggests it conveyed some deeper patriotism than Obama’s?

Giuliani subsequently clarified his original remarks, though not in the way he intended, by asserting that Obama’s alleged anti-Americanism amounted to “socialism or possibly anti-colonialism.” Here Giuliani is reprising the theories of Dinesh D’Souza, who has described Obama as fundamentally influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism. Unfortunately for Giuliani, D’Souza’s racism is so transparent not even many conservatives care to defend it any longer.

More: If Giuliani's Smear Wasn't Racist, What Was It? -- NYMag

If his Obama smear wasn't racist, I have no idea what it was. It was bizarre and makes no sense to rational thinking - other than racism. But why? What's his point? Is he thinking of running for president?

The race card?...
Face palm....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Opposition to Obama is because he is a black man.

Opposition to you because you are stupid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

He spoke out against our President so it must be racist...

If it wasn't racist - what was his point? What is his agenda?

SO now having been exposed, you are now asking whether its racist ( "What else could it be")
Hey, Two Dogs Fucking On Tree Stump, shut the fuck up....

 

[thereisnospoon]

The left claims any criticism of Obama is racist which is generally though not always what people do when they can't refute a claim. As for does Obama not love America I can't say there is no way for me or anyone else to know what is truly in someone's heart based on a lot of his comments and speeches it seems like he thinks America is the cause of a lot of the worlds problems.

In term of protecting Obama, the race card is the left's go to defense mechanism.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. However, opinions don't mean much without some facts to support them. Can anyone provide any "credible" proof that President Obama doesn't love America? I couldn't blame him if he didn't. That he isn't a Christian? Who cares? Personally, I'd much rather he be an Atheist. He's taking care of business and keeping us safe.

Yeah, and your asshole is the Holland Tunnel.....
Safe? What is safe?
How is Obama keeping us safe?
You had better stand down....Because for one thing, Islamic anti American rhetoric and terror threats have increased during Obama's tenure.
Russia's level of belligerence toward the US has increased during the Obama regime.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, how can it be racist? Which race was he referring too

? Obama`s mom or dad?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I've had about enough of you people and your damn racism bullshit being spewed on every damn subject.

Fuck you and the racism horse your stupid ass rode in here.

Aw, do you want me to pack up my teepee and leave "your" country?

Go ahead. Canada awaits you....And yeah it is MY country.
Did you forget the discovery of DNA that traces so called "native ( HA HA) Americans to Europe?...
Yeah kind of ignored that one, didn't you.....
Don't go laying claim to that which you have no greater claim than anyone else.
Oh...Take that fucking race card and cram it up your ass.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If Giuliani’s Obama Smear Wasn’t Racist, What Was It?

The TRUTH.

The truth? Based on what credible evidence?

You don't get to question anyone here.

 

[Rumsfeld]

Giuliani did make a good point, though. A man who talks about the legitimate grievances of terrorists and equates what some Christian did in the Middle Ages with what Muslim psychos are doing today, clearly has an insane view of the world according to most people.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Little lakhota must be slowing down.

It took more than 24 hours after Giuliani made his comments, for little lakhota to accuse him of racism.

That's way above the liberal race-card-playing average. And even farther above little lakhota's own.

 

[Lakhota]

Darrell Issa: 'We Should Thank' Rudy Giuliani for Questioning Whether Obama Loves America

Another NaziCon nut weighs in.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Dorkhota (aka Shitting Bull) asks the idiotic 'question,' "If Giuliani’s Obama Smear Wasn’t Racist, What Was I?"

The answer, naturally, is that there was nothing even remotely racist about it. It was simply the truth.

Therefore, Shitting Bull is hopelessly perplexed. As always. Laughable lolberals like that dufus don't care for hearing the truth, especially when it involves unpleasant realities about their Obamessiah.

 

[depotoo]

He would say the same of Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dorhn, and many others. Just ask him.

When Rudy Giuliani accused President Obama of not loving America, was he expressing a form of racism? If not, what was Giuliani saying?

I have argued, controversially to some on the left, that it is important to grapple with ideas on their own terms before merely analyzing their motivations. American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism, but most of those ideas can be expressed and justified in non-racial terms, and deserve to be taken at face value. The trouble with Giuliani’s comments is that they lack the coherence necessary to be analyzed as an idea. Brush away the bilious rage he has emitted, and nothing solid remains behind.

The original basis for Giuliani’s comments was Obama’s allegedly unusual upbringing. “He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country,” alleged the former mayor. As Wayne Barrett points out, Giuliani’s father was a mob enforcer, and he and his five brothers all avoided military service during World War II. What about this upbringing in any way suggests it conveyed some deeper patriotism than Obama’s?

Giuliani subsequently clarified his original remarks, though not in the way he intended, by asserting that Obama’s alleged anti-Americanism amounted to “socialism or possibly anti-colonialism.” Here Giuliani is reprising the theories of Dinesh D’Souza, who has described Obama as fundamentally influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism. Unfortunately for Giuliani, D’Souza’s racism is so transparent not even many conservatives care to defend it any longer.

More: If Giuliani's Smear Wasn't Racist, What Was It? -- NYMag

If his Obama smear wasn't racist, I have no idea what it was. It was bizarre and makes no sense to rational thinking - other than racism. But why? What's his point? Is he thinking of running for president?

 

[deltex1]

When Rudy Giuliani accused President Obama of not loving America, was he expressing a form of racism? If not, what was Giuliani saying?

I have argued, controversially to some on the left, that it is important to grapple with ideas on their own terms before merely analyzing their motivations. American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism, but most of those ideas can be expressed and justified in non-racial terms, and deserve to be taken at face value. The trouble with Giuliani’s comments is that they lack the coherence necessary to be analyzed as an idea. Brush away the bilious rage he has emitted, and nothing solid remains behind.

The original basis for Giuliani’s comments was Obama’s allegedly unusual upbringing. “He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country,” alleged the former mayor. As Wayne Barrett points out, Giuliani’s father was a mob enforcer, and he and his five brothers all avoided military service during World War II. What about this upbringing in any way suggests it conveyed some deeper patriotism than Obama’s?

Giuliani subsequently clarified his original remarks, though not in the way he intended, by asserting that Obama’s alleged anti-Americanism amounted to “socialism or possibly anti-colonialism.” Here Giuliani is reprising the theories of Dinesh D’Souza, who has described Obama as fundamentally influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism. Unfortunately for Giuliani, D’Souza’s racism is so transparent not even many conservatives care to defend it any longer.

More: If Giuliani's Smear Wasn't Racist, What Was It? -- NYMag

If his Obama smear wasn't racist, I have no idea what it was. It was bizarre and makes no sense to rational thinking - other than racism. But why? What's his point? Is he thinking of running for president?

Accurate.

 

[depotoo]

Organizing For Action Rebuild America from the Ground Up

His wife made that clear when she said, the first time she was proud of America, was when he was elected. Since then, just as you, if everyone doesn't go along with his agenda, they are horrific. You do recall he wants to rebuild America from the gound up, right? Someone that loves their country doesn't want to destroy the foundation upon which it was built.

His words-

"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.

It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
...
Rebuild America from the Ground Up(Change is Coming)
Organizing For Action Rebuild America from the Ground Up

He spoke out against our President so it must be racist...

If it wasn't racist - what was his point? What is his agenda?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

When Rudy Giuliani accused President Obama of not loving America, was he expressing a form of racism? If not, what was Giuliani saying?

I have argued, controversially to some on the left, that it is important to grapple with ideas on their own terms before merely analyzing their motivations. American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism, but most of those ideas can be expressed and justified in non-racial terms, and deserve to be taken at face value. The trouble with Giuliani’s comments is that they lack the coherence necessary to be analyzed as an idea. Brush away the bilious rage he has emitted, and nothing solid remains behind.

The original basis for Giuliani’s comments was Obama’s allegedly unusual upbringing. “He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country,” alleged the former mayor. As Wayne Barrett points out, Giuliani’s father was a mob enforcer, and he and his five brothers all avoided military service during World War II. What about this upbringing in any way suggests it conveyed some deeper patriotism than Obama’s?

Giuliani subsequently clarified his original remarks, though not in the way he intended, by asserting that Obama’s alleged anti-Americanism amounted to “socialism or possibly anti-colonialism.” Here Giuliani is reprising the theories of Dinesh D’Souza, who has described Obama as fundamentally influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism. Unfortunately for Giuliani, D’Souza’s racism is so transparent not even many conservatives care to defend it any longer.

More: If Giuliani's Smear Wasn't Racist, What Was It? -- NYMag

If his Obama smear wasn't racist, I have no idea what it was. It was bizarre and makes no sense to rational thinking - other than racism. But why? What's his point? Is he thinking of running for president?

So Obama was racist when he attacked Bush's patriotism?