Idiot Judge rules AR 15s are “dangerous and unusual arms”.

[OriginalShroom]

A Clinton appointee, Federal Judge Catherine C. Blake made one of the most ignorant rulings I have seen on Guns.

To call AR and AK platform rifles “dangerous and unusual arms” and not covered by the Second Amendment is a ruling that will be overturned on appeal.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/12/federal-judge-upholds-strict-new-maryland-gun-laws/

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

 

[Sallow]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

 

[Darkwind]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

You clearly do not understand the 2nd Amendment.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

Do you actually believe that tripe??

I know you are a liberal, but you aren't a stupid one.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I've heard the opinion the 2nd was to avoid a standing army too. But that's all it is, an opinion. If that were in fact the case amendments and provisions could have been written in forbidding a fulltime army instead of leaving it to interpretation. More likely, it was only partly the reason along with ensuring citizens would have access to weapons to repel a dictatorial government from coming into being.

I would agree though that since then things have gone so far off track from what the founders had in mind that continuing to link ourselves in the rpesent with anything the founders envisioned in the past is silly. We are nothing like what the founders wanted becomming exactly what they feared.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

Brahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Sallow,

Given your post, please explain the following..

Pennsylvania 1790 that state adopted a Constitution that declared:
“That the right of citizens to bear arms, in defense of themselves and the State, shall not be questioned.”

Vermont 1777 that state approved a Declaration of Rights which stated:
“…that the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the state.”

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

Do you actually believe that tripe??

I know you are a liberal, but you aren't a stupid one.

I disagree. He is a stupid one and he just proved it.

 

[Moonglow]

It is a dangerous weapon, that damn AR I had would jam a lot, making my ability to kill a danger to myself from not killing the other guy first...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A Clinton appointee, Federal Judge Catherine C. Blake made one of the most ignorant rulings I have seen on Guns.

To call AR and AK platform rifles “dangerous and unusual arms” and not covered by the Second Amendment is a ruling that will be overturned on appeal.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/12/federal-judge-upholds-strict-new-maryland-gun-laws/

Incorrect.

The ruling is consistent with other rulings concerning similar restrictions in Connecticut and New York, and is consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence. holding that although jurisdictions may enact bans on particular types of firearms, they may not ban firearms outright. Such restrictions are Constitutional provided citizens have some type of access to firearms for self defense.

From your cited article:

“The Act substantially serves the government’s interest in protecting public safety, and it does so without significantly burdening what the Supreme Court has now explained is the core Second Amendment right of ‘law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home,’ ” she wrote.

A 'significant burden' would manifest should a jurisdiction seek to prohibit possession of all handguns, or firearms overall. Laws allowing the possession of handguns, rifles, shotguns, but not AR or AK platforms are Constitutional because they do not violate the right to possess a firearm pursuant to lawful self-defense.

Consequently it is the OP who is ignorant of the law, not the judge who is 'ignorant' of firearms.

And that Clinton appointed the judge who ruled in this case is irrelevant, as the judge who ruled that the New York SAFE Act banning AR platform rifles was Constitutional, Chief U.S. District Judge William M. Skretny, was appointed by George H.W. Bush in 1990.

Thus the OP's effort to contrive this into some sort of 'partisan issue' fails.

I acknowledge and accept the fact that this is indeed current Second Amendment jurisprudence, although I disagree with it. This and similar rulings are likely subject to appeal, and may eventually come before the Supreme Court, at which time a determination will be made that the Second Amendment right is more comprehensive, placing a greater burden upon the state to justify the banning of specific firearms, invalidating New York's SAFE Act and like measures such as the one in Maryland.

 

[hazlnut]

A Clinton appointee, Federal Judge Catherine C. Blake made one of the most ignorant rulings I have seen on Guns.

To call AR and AK platform rifles “dangerous and unusual arms” and not covered by the Second Amendment is a ruling that will be overturned on appeal.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/12/federal-judge-upholds-strict-new-maryland-gun-laws/

Another great ruling by America's legal system.


Gun nutters eat shit with this one.


Their penis substitutes are going to be more expensive for them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

Do you actually believe that tripe??

I know you are a liberal, but you aren't a stupid one.

It's no more 'tripe' than a conservative who believes a woman doesn't have a right to privacy, where the state may force her to give birth.

There is nothing 'stupid' about perceiving the Second Amendment as a 'collective' right, provided that those who hold such a position understand that it's a minority position and not consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

Last, and again, the issue has nothing to do with 'liberal' or 'conservative,' as a majority of liberals agree with Heller and consider it settled, accepted case law.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Then why are the military police using AR15s against the Ferguson citizens?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It is a dangerous weapon, that damn AR I had would jam a lot, making my ability to kill a danger to myself from not killing the other guy first...

Bad ammo, dirty weapon or both.

 

[hazlnut]

Brilliant judge!!

 

[Wacky Quacky]

If this judge truly cared about the public safety then she would have gone after hand guns, not rifles. But hey, let's not allow facts and statistics to get in the way of a federal judge ruling.

 

[Spoonman]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

where in anything writen in the second amednment or anything written leading up to its retification do you come up with that load of horseshit?

 

[paulitician]

Dumb Communists. They're everywhere. Time for American Voters to give em the boot.

 

[Spoonman]

Actually, assault rifles are MORE, not less what the 2nd Amendment was all about. Hard to envision a well-regulated militia armed only with handguns.

In a nutshell?

The second amendment was meant to dispense with a standing full time ground force by having part time volunteers. The present configuration of the military basically nullifies it. However, case law has corrupted original intent.

Common sense wise? It's appropriate for people to keep arms in the home within reason.

Open carry and concealed carry? Is not reasonable.

And neither are assault rifles.

You clearly do not understand the 2nd Amendment.

I think he's the nutshell.




i have to laugh at all these liberal interpretations that have absolutely no historical reference to the 2nd amendment whatsoever