IDF phsically attacks diplomats

[toastman]

Take it up with the Fourth Geneva Convention. They said it.

The fourth geneva convention says hte people of Israel are not civilians ?

Show me a link, this should be good !

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

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What does that have to do with Israel ??? There is no occupation outside the West Bank. That is not up for debate

 

[P F Tinmore]

The fourth geneva convention says hte people of Israel are not civilians ?

Show me a link, this should be good !

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

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What does that have to do with Israel ??? There is no occupation outside the West Bank. That is not up for debate

Irrelevant, Israel is the occupying power.

 

[Indofred]

Irrelevant, Israel is the occupying power.

That's what the pro Israel lot always try to smokescreen.
It's simple enough, if they hide the facts; people think they're the victims; not the aggressor they really are.

Israel complains of terror attacks but totally neglects to mention why the freedom fighters attack it.

 

[toastman]

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

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What does that have to do with Israel ??? There is no occupation outside the West Bank. That is not up for debate

Irrelevant, Israel is the occupying power.

What do you mean irrelevant ??? You;re the one claiming it. Israel is not the occypying power. It is their country. ****, you make no sense

 

[toastman]

Irrelevant, Israel is the occupying power.

That's what the pro Israel lot always try to smokescreen.
It's simple enough, if they hide the facts; people think they're the victims; not the aggressor they really are.

Israel complains of terror attacks but totally neglects to mention why the freedom fighters attack it.

Tinmore thinks all of Israel is occupied lol

 

[Hoffstra]

What do you mean irrelevant ??? You;re the one claiming it. Israel is not the occypying power. It is their country. ****, you make no sense

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

 

[toastman]

What do you mean irrelevant ??? You;re the one claiming it. Israel is not the occypying power. It is their country. ****, you make no sense

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Ok but Tinmore thinks ALL of Israel is considered occupied. I'm talking about Tel-Aviv, Haifa. And he thinks the Jewish residents there are not civilians

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In a way, you are correct for about 5 hours.

Yeah, this is a common claim by unknowledgeable Palestinians. If you take GA/RES/181(II) out of the equation, it works in Israel favor.

1. Establishment of the Commission

The resolution on the Future Government of Palestine, as adopted by the General Assembly at its one hundred twenty-eighth meeting on 29 November 1947, in paragraph 1, Section B, Part I, that “A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representatives of each of five Member States.” This Commission was charged with direct responsibility for implementing the measures recommended by the General Assembly.​

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

The Palestinians always claim that GA/RES/181(II) was never "implemented." Only the Palestinian argue this. But oddly enough, they also argue against it.


(COMMENT)

The Palestinians also use GA/RES/181(II) when it is to their favor. Palestinians are allowed to pick and choose when the recognize a Resolution.

• They used it in their Declaration of Independence A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988
• They used it in Recognition Processes
• They use it in the Application Process (2011)

I have the profound honour, on behalf of the Palestinian people, to submit this application of the State of Palestine for admission to membership in the United Nations.

This application for membership is being submitted based on the Palestinian people’s natural, legal and historic rights and based on United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 as well as the Declaration of Independence of the State of Palestine of 15 November 1988 and the acknowledgement by the General Assembly of this Declaration in resolution 43/177 of 15 December 1988.

(Signed) Mahmoud Abbas
President of the State of Palestine
Chairman of the Executive Committee of the
Palestine Liberation Organization​

SOURCE: Application of the State of Palestine for admission to membership in the United Nations

The argument is a derivative of the dispute between Palestinian Factions and the recognition of competent authority.

Most Respectfully,
R

So then, these are the legal borders of Israel and Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The within a day, conventional forces of the neighboring five Arab States, in coordination with Palestinian Fifth Columnists, entered the territory of the newly declared Israel to effect regime change. However, Israeli forces were able to repel and (in some cases) pursue hostile Arab Forces. Area zones of control changed by the time the UN was able to put in place a set of Armistice agreements.

Hence, the Green Line. In subsequence wars, the Hostile Arab Palestinians and the Armies of the Arab League lost additional territorial control. This brings us to today's zones of control.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hoffstra]

Ok but Tinmore thinks ALL of Israel is considered occupied. I'm talking about Tel-Aviv, Haifa. And he thinks the Jewish residents there are not civilians

how's that my problem?

 

[toastman]

Ok but Tinmore thinks ALL of Israel is considered occupied. I'm talking about Tel-Aviv, Haifa. And he thinks the Jewish residents there are not civilians

how's that my problem?

Well you're the one who quoted me .

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indofred, et al,

Remember, the situation of today, did not happen over night.


(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency and the Jewish Immigrant went to the Mandate of Palestine Territory under invitation, under the concept established by the San Remo Convention. They ended up exercising their right to self-determination under the terms and conditions set forth in General Assembly Resolution 181(II). It was the Arab Palestinian, and the Arab League that defied the will of the General Assembly in 1948 and openly attacked, and again provoked conflict in 1967, and again conducted a sneak attack in 1973. In each conflict, the Arab Palestinian lost more and more control of territory. They didn't lose it because of Israeli expansionist ideas or objectives, but because their multinational Arab Armies and the Fifth Columnist of the Palestinian failed to achieve their objective in the form of open aggression.

It was, in the first War of 1948, the belief that all the territory under the former Mandate of Palestine should be brought under Arab rule. And that, without regard to the Resolution and Partition Plan, the Jewish (Israelis) had no right to control of any territory and no right to self-determination. And that same theory, under which the Hostile Arab Palestinian still operates today, is immortalized in both the HAMAS Covenant and the Palestinian National Charter.

The situation in which the Hostile Arab Palestinian now finds themselves is a creation of their own making. The Palestinian wanted to be the aggressor and now finds that they don't like the life of the aggressor and the lockdown and containment they have to endure. Yet, it is what the chose, and the the policy they promote even today.

If the Palestinian publicly advertised the pledge contained within the HAMAS Covenant and the Palestinian National Charter; and painted themselves in the open Jihadist and Feday'een that they are, the world would not be so forgiving. The Hostile Arab Palestine are Jihadist and Feday'een --- and not --- the poor victims of Israeli containment. They are today the body politic that was responsible for some of the most controversial terrorist acts every committed.

Most Respectfully,
R

They were, but they were invited by foreigners.



No they didn't.

It was the Arab Palestinian, and the Arab League that defied the will of the General Assembly in 1948...

No they didn't. Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no resolution 181.

They were invited by the British who ruled the land after capturing it from the Ottoman empire, Tinmore. You keep acting like only the Palestinians should be there.
The Palestinian Arabs had no autonomy, and NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land. They had no right to say if the British can or cannot invite Jewish people.

Sovereignty is not required. Sovereignty is the result of self determination, not a prerequisite.

 

[toastman]

They were, but they were invited by foreigners.



No they didn't.



No they didn't. Resolution 181 was never implemented. There was no resolution 181.

They were invited by the British who ruled the land after capturing it from the Ottoman empire, Tinmore. You keep acting like only the Palestinians should be there.
The Palestinian Arabs had no autonomy, and NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land. They had no right to say if the British can or cannot invite Jewish people.

Sovereignty is not required. Sovereignty is the result of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Not required for what ?

 

[Hoffstra]

Sovereignty is not required. Sovereignty is the result of self determination, not a prerequisite.

true.

a unique culture and ethnicity can live in a land for 5,000 years with no sovereignity.

that doesn't mean they don't have a right to self-determination.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In a way, you are correct for about 5 hours.

Yeah, this is a common claim by unknowledgeable Palestinians. If you take GA/RES/181(II) out of the equation, it works in Israel favor.



The Palestinians always claim that GA/RES/181(II) was never "implemented." Only the Palestinian argue this. But oddly enough, they also argue against it.


(COMMENT)

The Palestinians also use GA/RES/181(II) when it is to their favor. Palestinians are allowed to pick and choose when the recognize a Resolution.

• They used it in their Declaration of Independence A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988
• They used it in Recognition Processes
• They use it in the Application Process (2011)

The argument is a derivative of the dispute between Palestinian Factions and the recognition of competent authority.

Most Respectfully,
R

So then, these are the legal borders of Israel and Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The within a day, conventional forces of the neighboring five Arab States, in coordination with Palestinian Fifth Columnists, entered the territory of the newly declared Israel to effect regime change. However, Israeli forces were able to repel and (in some cases) pursue hostile Arab Forces. Area zones of control changed by the time the UN was able to put in place a set of Armistice agreements.

Hence, the Green Line. In subsequence wars, the Hostile Arab Palestinians and the Armies of the Arab League lost additional territorial control. This brings us to today's zones of control.

Most Respectfully,
R

...five Arab States, in coordination with Palestinian Fifth Columnists, entered the territory of the newly declared Israel to...

No they didn't.

 

[RoccoR]

toastman, et al,

Yeah, that is a Palestinian Claim.

What do you mean irrelevant ??? You;re the one claiming it. Israel is not the occypying power. It is their country. ****, you make no sense

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Ok but Tinmore thinks ALL of Israel is considered occupied. I'm talking about Tel-Aviv, Haifa. And he thinks the Jewish residents there are not civilians

(OBSERVATION)

Article 1. Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the greater Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.

Article 2: Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Al-Mithaq Al-Watanee Al-Philisteeni PNC Charter

(COMMENT)

This is the objective of the Palestinian Feday'een (asymmetric insurgents and terrorists).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hoffstra]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In a way, you are correct for about 5 hours.

So then, these are the legal borders of Israel and Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The within a day, conventional forces of the neighboring five Arab States, in coordination with Palestinian Fifth Columnists, entered the territory of the newly declared Israel to effect regime change. However, Israeli forces were able to repel and (in some cases) pursue hostile Arab Forces. Area zones of control changed by the time the UN was able to put in place a set of Armistice agreements.

Hence, the Green Line. In subsequence wars, the Hostile Arab Palestinians and the Armies of the Arab League lost additional territorial control. This brings us to today's zones of control.

Most Respectfully,
R

...five Arab States, in coordination with Palestinian Fifth Columnists, entered the territory of the newly declared Israel to...

No they didn't.

a war had been raging in Palestine since the UN voted to partition Palestine.

Arab fighters entered Palestine long before Israel's Independence was declared.

 

[P F Tinmore]

toastman, et al,

Yeah, that is a Palestinian Claim.

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Ok but Tinmore thinks ALL of Israel is considered occupied. I'm talking about Tel-Aviv, Haifa. And he thinks the Jewish residents there are not civilians

(OBSERVATION)

Article 1. Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the greater Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.

Article 2: Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Al-Mithaq Al-Watanee Al-Philisteeni PNC Charter

(COMMENT)

This is the objective of the Palestinian Feday'een (asymmetric insurgents and terrorists).

Most Respectfully,
R

...with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate,...

And those were still Palestine's international boundaries after the 1948 war. (the international boundaries in the above map)

So, what is your point?

 

[Hoffstra]

And those were still Palestine's international boundaries after the 1948 war. (the international boundaries in the above map)

So, what is your point?

The United Nations recognizes the cease-fire lines as Israel's legitimate boundaries.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And those were still Palestine's international boundaries after the 1948 war. (the international boundaries in the above map)

So, what is your point?

The United Nations recognizes the cease-fire lines as Israel's legitimate boundaries.

Not really. The UN map of Israel has disclaimers on legal status, territory, and borders.

 

[Roudy]

Israeli forces manhandle EU diplomats, seize West Bank aid | Reuters

(Reuters) - Israeli soldiers manhandled European diplomats on Friday and seized a truck full of tents and emergency aid they had been trying to deliver to Palestinians whose homes were demolished this week.
A Reuters reporter saw soldiers throw sound grenades at a group of diplomats, aid workers and locals in the occupied West Bank, and yank a French diplomat out of the truck before driving away with its contents.

"They dragged me out of the truck and forced me to the ground with no regard for my diplomatic immunity," French diplomat Marion Castaing said.

"This is how international law is being respected here," she said, covered with dust.

Once again, the IDF use their fully armed bastards to attack civilians, diplomats in this case.

The Israeli army and police declined to comment.

I'll bet.

First they knock down houses in their usual ethnic cleansing activities, them they attack and steal aid being sent to their victims and break international laws regarding diplomatic immunity and the rights of diplomats to travel unhindered.

Of course, the soldiers concerned in this major diplomatic incident will be punished.
Probably lose their rights to chocolate rations for a week.

However, they won't starve because they can eat all the food they stole from the diplomats when they held them up at gunpoint and threw a slightly built, unarmed woman out of a truck and held her at gunpoint.
However, in their defence, they didn't rape her.

Sorry the next time they'll allow any unannounced van possibly filled with explosives drive wherever it wants to and then blow itself up. After all, there "might" be a "diplomat" or "journalist" in it. I mean, it's not like Palestinians haven't used Red Cross Vehicles or Ambulances, or acted as if they are journalists, veiled women etc. before they ended up murdering a bunch of innocent people. No. It's all the Israelis fault.