Identifying Fascism and How It's Manifested in Society

[bodecea]

Utter bullshit. I've posted the evidence numerous times.


Even if true, that proves nothing. However, it's not true.


Who are in the party doesn't determine whether it's socialist. That's just commie propaganda.

It's funny how fascists today (the fat former fascist's cultists) are trying so hard to rewrite history....trying to make Mussolini and Hitler out to be leftists.

 

[bodecea]

idiots like you keep saying this, but you never post any evidence to support it.

Nazi Party - Wikipedia

The Nazi Party,[a] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparteihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#cite_note-8 or NSDAP), was a far-right[7][8] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. The Nazi Party emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany.[9] The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[10] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric. This was later downplayed to gain the support of business leaders, and in the 1930s the party's main focus shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes.[11]

 

[bripat9643]

It's funny how fascists today (the fat former fascist's cultists) are trying so hard to rewrite history....trying to make Mussolini and Hitler out to be leftists.

They are leftists. NAZI turds like you have been lying about it ever since WW II.

 

[bripat9643]

Nazi Party - Wikipedia

You believe Wiki is evidence?

I rest my case.

 

[Rigby5]

It can be said more simply. The plebeians were hucksters who first shared power with the military aristocracy, then mixed with it and destroyed the ancient military culture. This was not only in Rome, at that time it was the same in India and in many other places.
They did not introduce any innovations, on the contrary, Rome began to degrade and did not develop until its fall, cavalry and Aryan weapons disappeared there, a system of primitive infantry was introduced according to the Macedonian model, slavery, pornography appeared and so on. This was leftish.

I disagree.
I think the Patricians were plain evil, totally material, and were responsible for horrendous war costs that eventually destroyed Rome.
The ancient military culture came from the Greeks who were also decadent, corrupt, and material.
Slavery, porn, decadence, etc. were an ever present aspect of the Patricians in my opinion.
And the Roman decadence deliberately destroyed the Celts, Egyptians, Greeks, Britons, Selucids, Parthians, etc.
While technically accomplished, I consider the Roman patricians to be the worst culture in all of history.

 

[Rigby5]

They are leftists. NAZI turds like you have been lying about it ever since WW II.

Nothing remotely leftist about the WWII fascists.
Leftist are for the popular, poor, majority.
Fascists were for the wealthy, elite, minority.
Polar opposites.

The fact that Hitler at first used the populist dissatisfaction, such as all the WWI veterans, does not mean Hitler was a leftist by 1933 any more, at all.

 

[Rigby5]

This is communism: ultra capitalists, under a dictatorship

That is the exact opposite of communism.
Communism is where local people decide to pool excess capital, through taxes, and jointly create mutually owned resources, like the means of production.
Communism can't be central, dictatorial, or unfair in the distribution of advantages.
Communism MEANS communal, cooperative, and collective, all of which have to be local, popular, and equitable.

 

[Rigby5]

You have to be mentally compromised to equate a kibbutz with your beloved Communism

Ask any one supporting a kibbutzim, and they will tell you it IS communism.
They will also tell you that Stalinism is anticommunist, and state capitalism.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes! He broke away and became a free market, individual liberty above all Libertarian, right?

That was right when the America Parties "Switched sides" too!!! Right?

Why don't you proto-Communists just come out and admit your love for Totalitarianism, for dictatorships for slavery? We'd take you much more seriously if you were honest

Hitler was never socialist in any way.
He was at best a populist, which is just were you tell people what they want to hear.
Hitler never really won an election, but gained power by being appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg, as the representative of the wealthy elite.
Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.

 

[Rigby5]

You say Hitler wasn't a true Socialist and that living on a kibbutz is exactly like Communism -- and you say I'm "hysterical"

It is not that Hitler was not a "true" Socialist, but was always the most extremely ANTI Socialist force in Germany.
Living in a Kibbutzim is not "exactly like" Communism, absolutely IS Communism.

 

[Rigby5]

I've never seen any evidence to support that claim.

Hitler did not hate socialists or communists. That's leftwing propaganda, and nothing more. Most of the part members were former socialists or communists, you fucking dumbass.

Why did Hitler then have all the socialists killed, like Ernst Roehm, in the "Night of the Long Knives:?

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

{...

The Nazis were not socialists​

Multiple posts on social media have claimed that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name—the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views.

The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.

Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”

Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.

The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.

This can lead to confusion as to what national socialism meant. Though they sometimes described themselves as socialist, their general ideology and treatment of left-wing figures reflected their true views.

In Hitler’s speeches, he established his idea of socialism as something only for select Germans the Nazi party deemed worthy. In his 1920 speech “Why We Are Anti-Semites” he claimed Judaism was the opposite of socialism by aligning it with capitalism at a time when Germany’s workers were suffering.

In the same year, the party outlined their party programme, which included a number of points which could be seen to align with socialist and anti-capitalist ideals. However, historian of the period Karl Dietrich Bracher has referred to the programme as “propaganda” through which Hitler gained support and then discarded once he achieved power.

Hitler worked closely with industrialists—in 1933 he held a meeting with a number of German industrial figures and gained their trust by speaking of the communist threat. In return, they gave millions of Reichmarks to fund the Nazi party in the upcoming elections. Many developed close relationships with the Nazi regime and flourished under the ideology—the Krupp family supplied Germany with arms during World War Two, readily dismissed Jewish employees, and it's then head Alfried Krupp joined the Nazi party in 1938.

Hitler also suppressed trade unions and refused to give the homes of German princes to the people, as he felt this would move the party towards communism.

Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.

More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives.
...}

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is not that Hitler was not a "true" Socialist, but was always the most extremely ANTI Socialist force in Germany.
Living in a Kibbutzim is not "exactly like" Communism, absolutely IS Communism.

Hitler was "Anti Socialist" the same way the democrat Party Brown short Fascists in ANTIFA and BLM and "Anti-Fascists"

So why would anyone compare life in a Kibbutz to Communism?????

 

[Rigby5]

I've never seen any evidence to support that claim.

Hitler did not hate socialists or communists. That's leftwing propaganda, and nothing more. Most of the part members were former socialists or communists, you fucking dumbass.

There were only socialists in the Nazi party until 1933, when Hitler struck a deal with ultra capitalists.
Then he had all the socialists killed, and there was nothing remotely socialist about the Nazis after that.

 

[Rigby5]

Hitler was "Anti Socialist" the same way the democrat Party Brown short Fascists in ANTIFA and BLM and "Anti-Fascists"

So why would anyone compare life in a Kibbutz to Communism?????

Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and voluntary, just like life in a Kibbutzim.
Ask anyone in a Kibbutzim, and they will tell you their goal is communism.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hitler was never socialist in any way.
He was at best a populist, which is just were you tell people what they want to hear.
Hitler never really won an election, but gained power by being appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg, as the representative of the wealthy elite.
Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.

Hitler was never a Socialist! LOL!! What's next, Hitler was never German either!

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing remotely leftist about the WWII fascists.
Leftist are for the popular, poor, majority.
Fascists were for the wealthy, elite, minority.
Polar opposites.

The fact that Hitler at first used the populist dissatisfaction, such as all the WWI veterans, does not mean Hitler was a leftist by 1933 any more, at all.

You have to fucking retarded to believe that.

So Hitler was lying when he said he was a socialist? That the wealthy industrialist were the enemy of the people? How do you know he was lying? Can you demonstrate your ability to read his mind?

The fo9llowing hardly sounds like a right wing capitalist:

Themes in Nazi propaganda - Wikipedia

Capitalists​

Capitalism was also attacked as morally inferior to German values[3] and as failing to provide for the German people.[3] Great Britain was attacked as a plutocracy. A few months after the invasion of Poland, Goebbels released his "England’s Guilt" speech that blamed the war on Imperial Britain's "capitalist democracy" and warmongers, denouncing England for having the richest men on earth while their people get little of this wealth.[107] In that speech, Goebbels claimed that "English capitalists want to destroy Hitlerism" in order to retain its imperial status and harmful economic policies.​

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This was portrayed as Jewish, so as to attack both Communism and plutocracy, describing Jews as being behind both.[49] Anti-capitalist propaganda, attacking "interest slavery", used the association of Jews with money-lenders.[11]​

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Nazi propaganda and officials such as Robert Ley describe Germany as a "proletarian nation"[108] as opposed to the plutocratic England, a political divide that Goebbels described as "England is a capitalist democracy" and "Germany is a socialist people's state."[109]​

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Initially the Nazis wanted to have alliance with United Kingdom, however after the war started they were denounced as "the Jew among the Aryan peoples" and as plutocrats, fighting for money.[110] Another major theme was the difference between British "plutocracy" and Nazi Germany. German newspapers and newsreels often pictured photos and footage of British unemployed and slums together with unfavorable commentary about the differences in living standards of the working class of Nazi Germany vs that of the working class living under British "plutocracy". Simultaneously, propaganda presented them as tools of the Communists. A German parody stamp, of one depicting King George and Queen Elizabeth, replaced the queen with Stalin and added a hammer and sickle, and stars of David. The Parole der Woche's weekly wall newspaper declared that the United States and Britain had agreed to let Stalin take Europe.[111] Using propaganda to present the Jews as being behind both helped juggle the issues of opposing "plutocracy" and Communism at once.[112]​

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After the invasion of the Soviet Union, propaganda resumed, quickly linking the attack with British forces, which simplified the task of attacking both Communism and "plutocracy" at once.[49]​

 

[bripat9643]

Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and voluntary, just like life in a Kibbutzim.
Ask anyone in a Kibbutzim, and they will tell you their goal is communism.

In reality, it doesn't work out the way the propaganda says it will.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There were only socialists in the Nazi party until 1933, when Hitler struck a deal with ultra capitalists.
Then he had all the socialists killed, and there was nothing remotely socialist about the Nazis after that.

Hitler's German was a Capitalist paradise! Government existed only to enforce and uphold the Courts! Individual Liberty and Personal Freedom ruled the land!

 

[bripat9643]

Why did Hitler then have all the socialists killed, like Ernst Roehm, in the "Night of the Long Knives:?

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

{...

The Nazis were not socialists​

Multiple posts on social media have claimed that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name—the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views.

The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.

Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”

Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.

The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.

This can lead to confusion as to what national socialism meant. Though they sometimes described themselves as socialist, their general ideology and treatment of left-wing figures reflected their true views.

In Hitler’s speeches, he established his idea of socialism as something only for select Germans the Nazi party deemed worthy. In his 1920 speech “Why We Are Anti-Semites” he claimed Judaism was the opposite of socialism by aligning it with capitalism at a time when Germany’s workers were suffering.

In the same year, the party outlined their party programme, which included a number of points which could be seen to align with socialist and anti-capitalist ideals. However, historian of the period Karl Dietrich Bracher has referred to the programme as “propaganda” through which Hitler gained support and then discarded once he achieved power.

Hitler worked closely with industrialists—in 1933 he held a meeting with a number of German industrial figures and gained their trust by speaking of the communist threat. In return, they gave millions of Reichmarks to fund the Nazi party in the upcoming elections. Many developed close relationships with the Nazi regime and flourished under the ideology—the Krupp family supplied Germany with arms during World War Two, readily dismissed Jewish employees, and it's then head Alfried Krupp joined the Nazi party in 1938.

Hitler also suppressed trade unions and refused to give the homes of German princes to the people, as he felt this would move the party towards communism.

Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.

More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives.
...}

He didn't have all the socialists killed. All he Nazis were socialists, but after the war the intellectuals described the ones who were killed as "socialists" while the ones weren't killed were labeled "right-wingers." All you have done is swallow the left-wing propaganda.

Your article is full of shit, BTW. It tries to excuse away all the clear evidence that the Nazis were socialists by saying they were lying or that it was just propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

Hitler was never socialist in any way.
He was at best a populist, which is just were you tell people what they want to hear.
Hitler never really won an election, but gained power by being appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg, as the representative of the wealthy elite.
Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.

Can you quote where Hindenburg said Hitler was "the representative of the wealthy elite?" I don't recall seeing in any of the history books I've read on the subject.

You obviously believe what you want to believe, regardless of the facts.