ICE protests, truth or propaganda?

You’re a victim of a propaganda war, and your source is among the militants, spreading pro-ICE propaganda.
Well old buddy, as I pointed out it's you who goes off and running relying on what are proven to be half truths until one looks at the entire picture, not segments. (No brag just fact)

Facts matter more than what you’d “bet” is going on since you’re a biased partisan hack.
My opinion, old buddy. Mine alone. We haven't heard any deep background on whatever group Pretti is/was affiliated with. It's very obvious he wasn't acting alone and wasn't a Boy Scout.

I love the personal attack...... :badgrin:

Good thing your not partisan.

You don’t have facts to support Pretti doing anything that threatened the lives of anyone before he was shot in the back while being pinned to the ground by a half dozen of your thugs.
Never said I did or tried to.

I knew from the start this was going to be a tragic problem.

Have a nice evening.
 
Well old buddy, as I pointed out it's you who goes off and running relying on what are proven to be half truths until one looks at the entire picture,not segments. (No brag just fact)


My opinion, old buddy. Mine alone. We haven't heard any deep background on whatever group Pretti is/was affiliated with. It's very obvious he wasn't acting alone and wasn't a Boy Scout.

I love the personal attack...... :badgrin:

Good thing your not partisan.


Never said I did or tried to.

I knew from the start this was going to be a tragic problem.

Have a nice evening.
Your opinion is based on speculation that is designed to provide a permission structure to ignore facts.

You can do this to justify basically anything if you really want. It’s illogical and childish.

“I bet” this dude is paid by Kristi Noem to spread lies and defend ICE and therefore everything he said is false.
 
We live in a country of laws. Those laws apply to everyone, including law enforcement. And we live in a country where people have rights, and those rights apply to non-citizens. In no small way, citizens have a duty to oppose federal forces violating civil rights.

I mean is anyone thinking here. This very nation was founded on the concept of citizen protest. And yes, sometimes, it got rather violent. I mean does anyone know anything about the Regulator Movement in North Carolina in the mid 1760's? The provincial government was deemed corrupt and the people took up arms against them. They got HUNG. The government used the riot act, called in the militia, and put down the rebellion. Remember, history is written by winners, not losers.

History might not repeat itself, but it often rhymes. What is going on now does sound a lot like what was going on prior to the American Revolution and the time after the Revolution and prior to the Constitutional Convention. In no small way, the American Revolution was a shakedown, conducted by the political elite, that culminated in the passage of the Constitution.

We, the people, are getting hosed. I mean it has been a long time coming, but at this point, the elite don't even pretend anymore. They rub our noses in it. I mean it is terrible out there. There is no loyalty to the company because the company is not loyal to the people. And it is really telling. This whole "side hustle" economy, that is not a good thing. It is a sign of an economy that is becoming dysfunctional.

But to the topic at hand. It is past time to rein in Noem and her minions. We have yet to feel the economic impact of this administrations actions towards immigrants, legal and illegal. Sure, construction is feeling some pressure, but damn, it is winter time. We are weeks away from getting seeds in the greenhouse, dropping in spring soybeans, or do we do corn. Clear the winter wheat cover, prep the strawberry fields. Is the labor going to be there? Not looking good.
Just like a Democrat to worry about his slave labor
 
Your opinion is based on speculation that is designed to provide a permission structure to ignore facts.
My opinion is awaiting more information related to the issue. Call it educated speculation if you will.

“I bet” this dude is paid by Kristi Noem to spread lies and defend ICE and therefore everything he said is false.
When he shows what was reported ( what you bought into as fact) then shows the entire event which shows what lead up to what you accepted as fact, totally disproving the original 'report', that is spreading the truth and facts about what happened, not what you thought happened. What's more upsetting for you is he did this on quite a few reported lies accepted as truth.

The sad thing, when the entire story comes out, you still believe the lies which you accepted as fact.

Feel free to disprove any of his facts.
 
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They have NOT overstepped one iota.

They are NOT Snatching citizens off the street.
They are NOT disappearing people into gulags offshore somewhere.
They are NOT breaking the law, and for 50 years or more, Administrative warrants have been deemed proper, legal, and used by both parties.

They are in no way overstepping their authority.

However, the Mayor and Governor both have overstepped their authority and it has resulted in two deaths. Those deaths lay at the feet of the Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor.
Bullfucking shit. They are snatching people off the street, they are "disappearing" people, and they are violating law, or what once was considered law until some recent fucked up court rulings.


You can bury your head in the sand, that is on you. But it is pretty easy to see ICE has overstepped.
 
The Department of Indoctrination?
I know that is just too far advanced for you. How about this, Republicans want to de-fund the FBI. Isn't that right? Or, at least they did, right? How the hell does that make sense? Republicans have de-funded the CFPB. I mean damn, we don't need no protection from corporate scams or Ponzi schemes. From foreign spies or covert foreign terrorists. Oh hell no, we need protection from Grandmaw Marie, raised two generations of Americans cleaning hotel rooms, that is the enemy.
 
I know that is just too far advanced for you. How about this, Republicans want to de-fund the FBI. Isn't that right? Or, at least they did, right? How the hell does that make sense? Republicans have de-funded the CFPB. I mean damn, we don't need no protection from corporate scams or Ponzi schemes. From foreign spies or covert foreign terrorists. Oh hell no, we need protection from Grandmaw Marie, raised two generations of Americans cleaning hotel rooms, that is the enemy.
Don't you mean defund the, at the time, politicized FBI?

If DOE is doing such a stellar job, why are our students lacking so much?
 
I think it's mostly politics and propaganda. Like every other LE agency, if you resist they will use force to subdue you. If you threaten them they will use force to stop the threat, up to and including shooting your ass. It isn't that complicated, STFU and do as you're told and you'll be fine.

Which is not to say there are not some instances where too much force is applied. People are going to make mistakes and that includes ICE agents. And it does not help when democrats and the media play up the mistakes and incite their activists to go over the line. It ain't the easiest or safest job and nobody should be making it more difficult or hazardous.
One agency--ICE--has had 12 shootings since September. And at least 3 of those shootings were of people who were not the subject they were trying to arrest. This is more than the FBI.

Is ICE facing special types of criminals? No. Are they going after high value targets who have gunslingers protecting them? No. Are they lightly trained? Yes. Are they highly motivated to use optimum force? According to one report whose source is nebulous--yes. Has the organization violated court orders? Yes--about 100.

If you think it is politics and propaganda, you're not looking at the facts.
 
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