ICE Forcibly Removes Woman Waiting for Emergency Brain Surgery Form Hospital

[leftwinger]

I don't like hearing about these home countries "refusal" to take one of their own back? HUH? You will take it back when we drop it off, one way or another. Save them up for a full plane or boat dump. End of discussion.

 

[leftwinger]

I think emergency can mean a lot things. You're right there is a lot hype. I've read all media releases and there is a lot BS in them but one seems clear. This lady is going to need surgery to survive and even that may not save her.

Get fixed at home. Let the home team run a new MRI.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

From the link:

"The agency said in a statement Thursday, “During her stay at the hospital, ICE ensured that she was able to speak to her family and to her attorney by phone. Like all detainees in our care, Ms. Beltran will continue to have access to 24 hour emergency medical care and to any required specialized treatment at an outside facility.’’ The statement also said that a doctor had determined she was stable enough to be discharged and that she will be seen again by a medical specialist next week."


Most of the statements in the article come from her legal team, whose job it is to make ICE look bad.

The only statement given by the hospital seems to contradict the lawyers' statements.

Looks like the hospital already planned to discharge her pending an appointment the following week with a specialist. Any surgery would be scheduled after that appointment.

The actions of ICE does not really make sense. Why would they remove a woman diagnosed with a brain tumor already scheduled for surgery in 3 days to put her in detention? Brain surgery is not a cheap operation, $50,000 to $150,000 and if complications develop, the sky is limit and ICE could be stuck with the costs. And if the woman dies in detention, they're going to be facing one hell of a lawsuit. The sensible thing to do is let the woman have the surgery and then deport her.

BTW when the hospital says a patient is stable it means their condition is not worsening and they can be transported. It does not mean they don't need further care. My grandfather left the emergency room in stable condition and was dead in 48 hours.

Why do they not make sense? You are making assumptions here that I do not think are justified. Why should ICE not remove her from the hospital if she is in stable condition and not required to stay? Staying in emergency care can cost 10,000 dollars or more per day. Considering that the hospital discharged her and cleared it, why would ICE keep her there? What possible reason could they have for not returning her to detention untill the surgery date like any other patient would undergo?

My son has been in numerous surgeries that were under somewhat similar circumstances (minus the detention) and it is quite common to leave the hospital and stay at home until the actual date of the surgery itself with specific instructions on when to come back in. If she was stable there is little to be gained by keeping her in the hospital taking up a bed that someone not stable can use.

The detention center transported her to the hospital because she was sick. Taking the patient out of the hospital when she is on a waiting list for surgery in just a few days makes no sense. It's a 60 mile drive to the hospital from the detention center. It's not like their going to be to deporting a women in a wheelchair with a brain tumor awaiting surgery. Since the center said she will be examined by a doctor next week for treatment options, they certainly aren't planning on brain surgery this weekend.

My mother had a stroke. That day the hospital was asking me about arrangements for her, THAT DAY! They wanted her gone ASAP.

Apparently you have nothing to prove anything wrong was done and are grasping at straws.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

She has been in detention at Prairieland for nearly two years under Obama. Why would they want her back in detention instead getting medical care so she can be deported? It's not likely EL Salvador would take her back even if a judge signed the deportation order.

They don't get a choice in who to take back, they'll take back who we tell them to. That's how that works. We're not little pansy-ass pushovers anymore like under Obama. Or maybe you hadn't noticed?

Here is an available pdf report Document of Amnesty International. Now that she is diagnosed with medical issues International law comes into play. She should have been deported prior to that. She was held in detention because she was considered a flight risk. I would ask what is her family members names? Some of them are also illegals.

The United States doesn't have to answer to Amnesty International or obey any International law.

Does not have to but then we do want out citizens treated in a decent manner when in other countries. I don't see in any of the articles online any mention of anyone talking to El Salvador. Why isn't her own involved making arrangements for her healthcare in El Salvador since her deport order went out months ago?

Has their been a deportation order signed?
I'm not familiar with EL Savador immigration procedures but in order to transport a person to a foreign country, that country must agree to accept the person or the airline will not transport them. A person being deported with a serious medical condition may or may or may not be accepted. There are 23 countries now that are reluctant to take US deportees. They don't necessarily refuse, they just delay approving. If ICE can't deport them in 6 mos of the deportation order, they have to release them.

I say give them training and drop them in by parachute.

 

[Flopper]

They don't get a choice in who to take back, they'll take back who we tell them to. That's how that works. We're not little pansy-ass pushovers anymore like under Obama. Or maybe you hadn't noticed?

Here is an available pdf report Document of Amnesty International. Now that she is diagnosed with medical issues International law comes into play. She should have been deported prior to that. She was held in detention because she was considered a flight risk. I would ask what is her family members names? Some of them are also illegals.

The United States doesn't have to answer to Amnesty International or obey any International law.

Does not have to but then we do want out citizens treated in a decent manner when in other countries. I don't see in any of the articles online any mention of anyone talking to El Salvador. Why isn't her own involved making arrangements for her healthcare in El Salvador since her deport order went out months ago?

Has their been a deportation order signed?
I'm not familiar with EL Savador immigration procedures but in order to transport a person to a foreign country, that country must agree to accept the person or the airline will not transport them. A person being deported with a serious medical condition may or may or may not be accepted. There are 23 countries now that are reluctant to take US deportees. They don't necessarily refuse, they just delay approving. If ICE can't deport them in 6 mos of the deportation order, they have to release them.

I say give them training and drop them in by parachute.

Sounds like a good way to start a war, however this may certainly be a part of Trump's plans.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here is an available pdf report Document of Amnesty International. Now that she is diagnosed with medical issues International law comes into play. She should have been deported prior to that. She was held in detention because she was considered a flight risk. I would ask what is her family members names? Some of them are also illegals.

The United States doesn't have to answer to Amnesty International or obey any International law.

Does not have to but then we do want out citizens treated in a decent manner when in other countries. I don't see in any of the articles online any mention of anyone talking to El Salvador. Why isn't her own involved making arrangements for her healthcare in El Salvador since her deport order went out months ago?

Has their been a deportation order signed?
I'm not familiar with EL Savador immigration procedures but in order to transport a person to a foreign country, that country must agree to accept the person or the airline will not transport them. A person being deported with a serious medical condition may or may or may not be accepted. There are 23 countries now that are reluctant to take US deportees. They don't necessarily refuse, they just delay approving. If ICE can't deport them in 6 mos of the deportation order, they have to release them.

I say give them training and drop them in by parachute.

Sounds like a good way to start a war, however this may certainly be a part of Trump's plans.

Who in the world would be stupid enough to start a war over something so insignificant as returning illegal immigrants?

 

[Flopper]

The United States doesn't have to answer to Amnesty International or obey any International law.

Does not have to but then we do want out citizens treated in a decent manner when in other countries. I don't see in any of the articles online any mention of anyone talking to El Salvador. Why isn't her own involved making arrangements for her healthcare in El Salvador since her deport order went out months ago?

Has their been a deportation order signed?
I'm not familiar with EL Savador immigration procedures but in order to transport a person to a foreign country, that country must agree to accept the person or the airline will not transport them. A person being deported with a serious medical condition may or may or may not be accepted. There are 23 countries now that are reluctant to take US deportees. They don't necessarily refuse, they just delay approving. If ICE can't deport them in 6 mos of the deportation order, they have to release them.

I say give them training and drop them in by parachute.

Sounds like a good way to start a war, however this may certainly be a part of Trump's plans.

Who in the world would be stupid enough to start a war over something so insignificant as returning illegal immigrants?

Military conflict that lead to war are often triggered over rather minor event. The archduke of Austria-Hungary is assassinated by Serbian nationalist and one thing led to another and finally a war that engulfed Europe and the US leaving 20 million dead in 4 years warfare.

 

[JBond]

Good, leaves services for citizens.

Loser. What if it was you mother? Or you had kids

Feel free to sponsor her. Bet you won't.

 

[JBond]

Good. I would imagine free healthcare is a reason for a lot of them to come over here ILLEGALLY any damn way.
Please state where in the Constitution you are referring to. TIA

Yes TN but in this sort of situation you cannot just let people die, I think they should be given emergency treatment and then at the most appropriate time discharged and then deported and send the hospital bill to their own Government.

I agree but apparently doctor said she would be fine.

Okay, but I'm saying if someone needs emergency treatment in a situation like this then, give that to them and then discharge and deport.

That is very kind of you. Did you send a check?

 

[Dr Grump]

Good, leaves services for citizens.

Loser. What if it was you mother? Or you had kids

Feel free to sponsor her. Bet you won't.

I don't live in your country, but we have immigrants here, too. My tax payer dollars would pay for her. And I wouldn't mind one bit.

 

[JBond]

Good, leaves services for citizens.

Loser. What if it was you mother? Or you had kids

Feel free to sponsor her. Bet you won't.

I don't live in your country, but we have immigrants here, too. My tax payer dollars would pay for her. And I wouldn't mind one bit.

Oh... well I do appreciate an outside perspective. Thanks for sharing. Where do you live?

 

[Claudette]

A critically ill woman from El Salvador who was awaiting emergency surgery for a brain tumor this weekend was forcibly moved from a Texas hospital to a detention center by federal agents.

Sara Beltran-Hernandez, 26, a mother of two young children, with no known criminal record was bound by her hands and feet and removed by wheelchair from Huguley Hospital in Fort Worth late Wednesday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents who brought her to a detention facility in Alvarado, Texas.

After being moved, she was not being given any treatment even though her nose continues to bleed and she has told them her head is exploding. This is unacceptable under our Constitution, and unacceptable from a standpoint of basic human rights,” Chris Hamilton said. This woman is critically ill and in severe pain.
Her current condition is unknown.
Federal agents in Texas move hospitalized Salvadoran woman awaiting emergency surgery to a detention facility

Yeah and just who was going to pay for her surjury??

 

[Claudette]

Is your mother here illegally?

And? Don't care...she is there. End of story. And any civilised society would treat somebody suffering from such a disease with compassion.

Sure If you and idiots like you want to pay for that treatment.

She's an illegal alien who should be booted back to her own country. Let them pay for her treatment.

 

[Claudette]

Is your mother here illegally?

And? Don't care...she is there. End of story. And any civilised society would treat somebody suffering from such a disease with compassion.

If she's not an American citizen then she's responsible for herself not the taxpayers of America.

Nice to know you are so quick to volunteer we taxpayers to pay for her health care.

Ship her ass back to El Salvador and let them pay for her treatment. She's here illegally just so she can suck off our social services. Only a bleeding heart asshole like you would volunteer we taxpayers to pay for her. Moron

 

[JoeB131]

Most of the statements in the article come from her legal team, whose job it is to make ICE look bad.

Naw, I think that when ICE yanks sick people out of hospitals, they make themselves look bad.

Maybe if their fat, donut eating asses could run fast enough, they could catch undocumented workers who weren't bedridden.

 

[JoeB131]

If she's not an American citizen then she's responsible for herself not the taxpayers of America.

Nice to know you are so quick to volunteer we taxpayers to pay for her health care.

You conservatives don't think that taxpayers should pay for the healthcare of Americans, either.

I think we call that basic humanity.

We should be thankful Jesus wasn't a conservative.

 

[NoNukes]

From the link:

"The agency said in a statement Thursday, “During her stay at the hospital, ICE ensured that she was able to speak to her family and to her attorney by phone. Like all detainees in our care, Ms. Beltran will continue to have access to 24 hour emergency medical care and to any required specialized treatment at an outside facility.’’ The statement also said that a doctor had determined she was stable enough to be discharged and that she will be seen again by a medical specialist next week."


Most of the statements in the article come from her legal team, whose job it is to make ICE look bad.

The only statement given by the hospital seems to contradict the lawyers' statements.

Looks like the hospital already planned to discharge her pending an appointment the following week with a specialist. Any surgery would be scheduled after that appointment.

But the media lies, how can you trust the story?

 

[Windship]

This is unacceptable under our Constitution...

No, it's NOT.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Every word here is important. It says nothing about illegal aliens from other countries. It says "We the People of the United States" ....doesn't say "The World" or "North America" does it? Nope... it says "the United States." It says "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." ...nothing about illegal aliens. It's intended for US and our "Posterity" which is our descendants. So the Constitution simply doesn't apply to anyone else.

By Act of Congress, we do allow customary due process rights. We are not obligated to do this, the Constitution doesn't say we have to, but we are a civilized and humane society and due process is preferable to shooting people in the head for crossing our borders illegally.

bullshit. Send the illegal alien...i dont care as long as shes across our border.

 

[Claudette]

If she's not an American citizen then she's responsible for herself not the taxpayers of America.

Nice to know you are so quick to volunteer we taxpayers to pay for her health care.

You conservatives don't think that taxpayers should pay for the healthcare of Americans, either.

I think we call that basic humanity.

We should be thankful Jesus wasn't a conservative.

I think people should be responsible for themselves.

I'm not interested in bankrolling someones life for them. If you are then pay away. I'm sure they will take every dime you want to contribute.

 

[easyt65]

Yeah, this is the group Obama and Hillary financed, supplied, armed, trained, protected, defended....not one of America's finest hours.