ICE arrests Palestinian activist who helped lead Columbia University protests, his lawyer says

[krichton]

It's illegal for a green card holder to openly support terrorism.

Even if he was, it's not illegal. But please go on believing in your fairytales if it makes you feel safe.

 

[Contumacious]

Well, that's your opinion....As W53 already said, If I invite you to my home, and you come here and disparage me and my family, I'm going to kick you out.....Same thing.

the analogy sucks

The US has been sticking it to those folks since 1948 - they have a right to protest

 

[struth]

In Reno , the plaintiffs were here illegally Mahmoud Khalil has been a long time green card holder

"An alien unlawfully in this country has no constitutional right to assert such a claim as a defense against his deportation. Pp. 487-492."


So did the US and Israel. Those governments CREATED Hamas as an alternative to Yasser Arafat and the PLO. Mr Khalil has a right to his opinion.

1) well he was already doing deportable. Which hasn’t happened yet in this case
2) haha more conspiracy theories…the US has designated Hamas a terrorist organization. Period
3) he has a right to his opinion. He has no right to a green card

 

[struth]

Uh, no. The constitution does not protect undocs equally with green card holders. There are notable differences. To wit:

The difference between a green card holder and an undocumented immigrant under the law is as stark as night and day, no matter how much some people would love to pretend otherwise. The Constitution, for all its lofty ideals, does not extend its full embrace to the undocumented in the same way it does to lawful residents.

Yes, the courts have ruled that "persons" under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments include noncitizens. That means they can’t be summarily executed or thrown in jail without some semblance of due process. But don’t mistake that for equality. A green card holder, by virtue of their legal status, has a security that an undocumented immigrant simply does not. The latter can be dragged into an immigration holding cell and ejected from the country with fewer legal options, fewer chances to fight, and fewer protections against a bureaucratic machine designed for efficiency rather than fairness. A green card holder, by contrast, cannot be expelled unless they have actually committed a serious crime, and even then, they have a fighting chance to challenge it in court.

Then there’s the issue of work and benefits. A green card holder can work legally, collect Social Security, even retire comfortably within the system. The undocumented? They can work only if they’re willing to risk exploitation, under-the-table wages, or the threat of an ICE raid. Public benefits? Forget it. Outside of emergency medical care and basic education for children--concessions made more for the sake of public order than human dignity--they get nothing.

Travel? A green card holder can come and go, visit family abroad, return without issue. The undocumented are prisoners in a country that doesn’t want them, but also won’t let them leave without consequence. Step outside the border, and they’ll be slapped with bans that can last for years, if not forever.

And don’t even think about the Second Amendment. A green card holder can legally own a gun. An undocumented immigrant caught with one is looking at a felony charge. So much for the idea that the Constitution protects everyone equally.

Then there’s politics. A green card holder can’t vote in federal elections, but some localities will let them have a say. The undocumented? No voice, no vote, no political existence. Just bodies that live in the shadow of a system that demands their labor but denies them representation.

Even in the realm of criminal justice, where we like to pretend that rights are universal, the distinction is glaring. A green card holder, arrested for a crime, gets all the legal protections of due process. An undocumented immigrant? They get a fast-tracked path to deportation because immigration law isn’t even considered criminal law--it’s administrative. That means no right to a public defender in deportation proceedings, no jury trial, no appeals that take decades. Just the cold efficiency of a system designed to remove rather than adjudicate.

So let’s dispense with the illusion that constitutional protections apply equally. They don’t. The green card holder has rights, security, and legal recourse. The undocumented immigrant lives at the whim of a system that tolerates their presence until it decides it no longer will. That’s the difference. It’s real, and it’s undeniable.

Yes it does, the constitution protects everyone under its jurisdiction. The govt can’t illegally search an illegal anymore then it can a citizen or green card holder, they have the same constitutional protections. If subject the it’s jurisdiction

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Even if he was, it's not illegal. But please go on believing in your fairytales if it makes you feel safe.

It turns out that Khalil is a British spy. Now, we're looking at espionage.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Its on the same level of crazy. This is the fascist tactic of disappearing people. If you had a case we would have heard it by now.

The law says he can be deported. No one is above the law. Right?

 

[krichton]

Not allowing students access to their education and intimidating them, is not freedom of speech.
A non citizen handing out hamas propaganda on campuses, also creating physical protests in the
name of anti-Semitism.
Not going to get him too far with our laws, despite a liberal federal judge.

All perfectly legal, even if true, and within the bounds of the first amendment, which is precisely why as of today, he still hasn't been charged with a single crime. Our laws is precisely what is protecting him from Trump, a wannabe dictator who doesn't believe in rule of law and is an actual convicted criminal.

 

[krichton]

It turns out that Khalil is a British spy. Now, we're looking at espionage.

 

[struth]

Uh, no. The constitution does not protect undocs equally with green card holders. There are notable differences. To wit:

The difference between a green card holder and an undocumented immigrant under the law is as stark as night and day, no matter how much some people would love to pretend otherwise. The Constitution, for all its lofty ideals, does not extend its full embrace to the undocumented in the same way it does to lawful residents.

Yes, the courts have ruled that "persons" under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments include noncitizens. That means they can’t be summarily executed or thrown in jail without some semblance of due process. But don’t mistake that for equality. A green card holder, by virtue of their legal status, has a security that an undocumented immigrant simply does not. The latter can be dragged into an immigration holding cell and ejected from the country with fewer legal options, fewer chances to fight, and fewer protections against a bureaucratic machine designed for efficiency rather than fairness. A green card holder, by contrast, cannot be expelled unless they have actually committed a serious crime, and even then, they have a fighting chance to challenge it in court.

Then there’s the issue of work and benefits. A green card holder can work legally, collect Social Security, even retire comfortably within the system. The undocumented? They can work only if they’re willing to risk exploitation, under-the-table wages, or the threat of an ICE raid. Public benefits? Forget it. Outside of emergency medical care and basic education for children--concessions made more for the sake of public order than human dignity--they get nothing.

Travel? A green card holder can come and go, visit family abroad, return without issue. The undocumented are prisoners in a country that doesn’t want them, but also won’t let them leave without consequence. Step outside the border, and they’ll be slapped with bans that can last for years, if not forever.

And don’t even think about the Second Amendment. A green card holder can legally own a gun. An undocumented immigrant caught with one is looking at a felony charge. So much for the idea that the Constitution protects everyone equally.

Then there’s politics. A green card holder can’t vote in federal elections, but some localities will let them have a say. The undocumented? No voice, no vote, no political existence. Just bodies that live in the shadow of a system that demands their labor but denies them representation.

Even in the realm of criminal justice, where we like to pretend that rights are universal, the distinction is glaring. A green card holder, arrested for a crime, gets all the legal protections of due process. An undocumented immigrant? They get a fast-tracked path to deportation because immigration law isn’t even considered criminal law--it’s administrative. That means no right to a public defender in deportation proceedings, no jury trial, no appeals that take decades. Just the cold efficiency of a system designed to remove rather than adjudicate.

So let’s dispense with the illusion that constitutional protections apply equally. They don’t. The green card holder has rights, security, and legal recourse. The undocumented immigrant lives at the whim of a system that tolerates their presence until it decides it no longer will. That’s the difference. It’s real, and it’s undeniable.

1) work benefits aren’t a constitutional right
2) voting in local elections isn’t a constitutional issue
3) illegals can certainly travel wherever they want
4) green card holders can’t legally own a gun
5) and illegal alien gets all the same protections in a criminal trial, an illegal us automatically deportable (which isn’t a constitutional issue) a green card holder very well could be deportable

 

[krichton]

And yet…..you Dems wanted to send Trump to prison for merely saying “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

So which is it? It’s only free speech when it exacerbates an already extreme level of antisemitism and harassment against Jews ?

Dems are very tolerant when it comes to inciting hate against Jews. Everything else - complete intolerance.

Inciting a riot in order to endanger lives is similar to the example someone gave of yelling fire in a theater. It's against the law and you will be arrested for it. How funny you don't actually realize this.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Inciting a riot in order to endanger lives is similar to the example someone gave of yelling fire in a theater. It's against the law and you will be arrested for it. How funny you don't actually realize this.

Yelling fire in a theater isn't illegal.

 

[Lisa558]

Inciting a riot in order to endanger lives is similar to the example someone gave of yelling fire in a theater. It's against the law and you will be arrested for it. How funny you don't actually realize this.

I think you replied to the wrong poster.

 

[Contumacious]

1) well he was already doing deportable. Which hasn’t happened yet in this case
2) haha more conspiracy theories…the US has designated Hamas a terrorist organization. Period
3) he has a right to his opinion. He has no right to a green card

STUPID FUCK

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces​

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Cartoon slap faces suits you but may be too advanced for you

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yelling fire in a theater isn't illegal.

It depends.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

It depends.

There's no law that makes yelling fire in a theater a crime.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's your call. Prove it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wasn't even talking about John Lennon...lol

You replied to my post about him, like I said you're a dunce.

 

[Clipper]

Good. Deport him ASAP.

Hey MAGA douche nozzle, what crime did Khalil commit? Or haven't you retards realized yet that the answer is not one.

 

[0311]

THERE WAS NO CRIME!!!!! Mahmoud Khalil is legal resident of the United States he has the green card to prove it. His rights to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly are enshrined in the United States Constitution. Deporting him for condemning the Israeli Genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza racist and illegal. He the right to freely express his opinions of Israel. 47 stepped over the line when he ordered the arrest.