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I made a mistake.
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What made you come to this conclusion?I made a mistake.
I made a mistake.
this time he is at least admitting itI made a mistake.
And that's different how?
Panetta's memo was worded in such a way that it actually said nothing...he claimed the CIA isn't in the habit of misleading congress, or words to that effect. He did not say that the CIA doesn't ever mislead Congress...he's becoming a good spook master, lol...his job is to protect his agency.Well, Penetta was not there at the time, he should defend his own department, however what he said was not true...meaning, the CIA planned Iran contra affair, without letting congress know about it so, the CIA does not have the best of records as he implied...yes, 95% of the time they have been good and on the up and up, HOWEVER history does show, they have lied to congress and the American people, previously.
Panetta did not go in to ANY details on what precisely WAS SAID and of course there is no detailed records of it...bs., due to supposed confidentiality and only general notes....
I don't think any of us have enough REAL info yet to say that Nancy is lying or the CIA is lying, other than hype of he said she said....
I would recommend an independent investigation before saying the CIA actually did lie, or that she actually did, and should resign due to it.
Newt said some things that were uncalled for, and before i heard him today on the 24/7 I was leaning against her on all of this, but after newt was an ASSHOLE, I'm back to wanting a truth squad!
Care
If we're counting on the veracity of the CIA to discredit Pelosi, we're counting on an agency with a fifty year history of misleading both Congress and every POTUS they ever worked for.
I have no idea what they told Pelosi, nor do I much care, either. The DEms rolled over and let Bush II's admin do anything it damned well pleased, so their protestations that they didn't know or were mislead simply do not much impress me. They were cowardly and failed to do their jobs in Congress.
But I know damned well that the record of the CIA isn't good when it comes to truth telling.
And if any of you read the history of the CIA, you'll know that too.
Both Republican POTUS and Democratic POTUS distrusted that organization precisely because it lies like a rug.
If we're counting on the veracity of the CIA to discredit Pelosi, we're counting on an agency with a fifty year history of misleading both Congress and every POTUS they ever worked for.
I have no idea what they told Pelosi, nor do I much care, either. The DEms rolled over and let Bush II's admin do anything it damned well pleased, so their protestations that they didn't know or were mislead simply do not much impress me. They were cowardly and failed to do their jobs in Congress.
But I know damned well that the record of the CIA isn't good when it comes to truth telling.
And if any of you read the history of the CIA, you'll know that too.
Both Republican POTUS and Democratic POTUS distrusted that organization precisely because it lies like a rug.
Well, Penetta was not there at the time, he should defend his own department, however what he said was not true...meaning, the CIA planned Iran contra affair, without letting congress know about it so, the CIA does not have the best of records as he implied...yes, 95% of the time they have been good and on the up and up, HOWEVER history does show, they have lied to congress and the American people, previously.
Panetta did not go in to ANY details on what precisely WAS SAID and of course there is no detailed records of it...bs., due to supposed confidentiality and only general notes....
I don't think any of us have enough REAL info yet to say that Nancy is lying or the CIA is lying, other than hype of he said she said....
I would recommend an independent investigation before saying the CIA actually did lie, or that she actually did, and should resign due to it.
Newt said some things that were uncalled for, and before i heard him today on the 24/7 I was leaning against her on all of this, but after newt was an ASSHOLE, I'm back to wanting a truth squad!
Care
I made a mistake.
In order to have any perspective on this topic it is necessary to get into your wayback machine and consider the times of these events. After 911 America went bonkers, well not all America but a great deal of it. I am always amazed at the contrast between Oklahoma City and the WTC, had McVeigh not been found quickly or had got away one can only speculate on the insanity that would have ensued. Man is not a very brave object sometimes. Remember the Washington shooters.
I am not defending Pelosi but in that time the very same people - VERY SAME - would have been calling her every name under the sun had she considered thoughtful actions not just actions, how many can take the criticism that some took when they examined or even considered why someone would seek to hurt us. Hypocrites are often out on Mondays revising the past through a filter that is the present. Iraq stands as the example of the power of fear.
Once Upon a Time...: Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules
In order to have any perspective on this topic it is necessary to get into your wayback machine and consider the times of these events. After 911 America went bonkers, well not all America but a great deal of it. I am always amazed at the contrast between Oklahoma City and the WTC, had McVeigh not been found quickly or had got away one can only speculate on the insanity that would have ensued. Man is not a very brave object sometimes. Remember the Washington shooters.
I am not defending Pelosi but in that time the very same people - VERY SAME - would have been calling her every name under the sun had she considered thoughtful actions not just actions, how many can take the criticism that some took when they examined or even considered why someone would seek to hurt us. Hypocrites are often out on Mondays revising the past through a filter that is the present. Iraq stands as the example of the power of fear.
Once Upon a Time...: Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules
I am defending Pelosi. The Bush team was not above ruining careers if someone didn't go along with them. Look at Joe Wilson & Valerie Plames.
The outted a CIA agent for god sakes. They started a war for money for god sakes.
Do any of you put anything past the Bush/Cheney?
Being behind 9-11, sending out the anthrax,
Why put anything past them when they lied us into a war that cost a trillion dollars? Why when they have been caught lying about a thousand things? Why when they would divide our nation for political reasons? When they ruined our economy for the masses to benefit the few. I put NOTHING past them.
Why worry about Pelosi? Had she screamed to high heavon it would have changed nothing. The Bush admin was determined to torture people, and torture people it did. It also broke the law by trying to frame people, illegally arresting and detaining them without due process. Citizens, not terrorists.
The main players in the Bush admin should have to stand before the Hague.