I was told by Democrats that Unemployment Benefits would stimulate the Ecomony?

[Publius1787]

Like Tarp 2, Cash for Welfare, Shovel ready Welfare, Student loan takeovers, Car industry takeovers, Change for hope, hope for Change, change for changey hope. Poverty Up? Foreclosures Up? Food Stamps At A RECORD HIGH after 3 years of ObamaSocialism?




African American unemployment at 26%






Did Democrats lie?

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce and China moved 2.4 million jobs to China.

So what is the "final" solution for those unemployed according to Republicans?

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

 

[Publius1787]

If there were jobs created, there would be a low unemployment rate, yes?
Haven't seen that lately.

Increase in employment = job creation - job losses. Surely you understand this.

Everyones looking for the government to creat jobs. Well, the government cant creat jobs. They can only create the conditions of economic freedom that encourages others to create jobs. And Obama is no friend of economic freedom.

 

[uscitizen]

Like Tarp 2, Cash for Welfare, Shovel ready Welfare, Student loan takeovers, Car industry takeovers, Change for hope, hope for Change, change for changey hope. Poverty Up? Foreclosures Up? Food Stamps At A RECORD HIGH after 3 years of ObamaSocialism?




African American unemployment at 26%






Did Democrats lie?

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce and China moved 2.4 million jobs to China.

So what is the "final" solution for those unemployed according to Republicans?

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

to increase their profit.

 

[uscitizen]

If there were jobs created, there would be a low unemployment rate, yes?
Haven't seen that lately.

Increase in employment = job creation - job losses. Surely you understand this.

Everyones looking for the government to creat jobs. Well, the government cant creat jobs. They can only create the conditions of economic freedom that encourages others to create jobs. And Obama is no friend of economic freedom.

Hmm not a sound statement considering about 25% or more of US workers either directly or indirectly work for the government.

 

[Publius1787]

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce and China moved 2.4 million jobs to China.

So what is the "final" solution for those unemployed according to Republicans?

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

to increase their profit.

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

 

[uscitizen]

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

to increase their profit.

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

Wrong many jobs were moved offshore to increase existing profits not becuase they were not making a profit at all.

Some were not making a profit, but most were.
I know because I lived thru the offshoring of telecom/data processing jobs to India.

 

[Publius1787]

to increase their profit.

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

Wrong many jobs were moved offshore to increase existing profits not becuase they were not making a profit at all.

Some were not making a profit, but most were.
I know because I lived thru the offshoring of telecom/data processing jobs to India.

If your competition is overseas making the same product for less and selling it for less then how do you overcome that? Furthermore, when prices (say for steel) drop how does that effect the prices of goods that are made with steel? Who benefits? But say you get your way and by some unconventional weird means you find a way to force those businesses to stay against their will and impose arbitrary tarrifs on those imports to favor U.S. business. Who does that hurt? The poor who depend on cheap goods and services perhaps? Dont blame the business for either making profits or attempting to increase their profits. If you want them to stay, economic freedom is the only way they will do it. And if the balance of trade is allowed to play out naturally then we all certainly benefit. But I know this must be over your head because all you are looking at is stage one of the process and making your assumptions accordingly. Explain to me exactly what you would do to remedy this and I will show you how it will have the exact opposit effect that you indend for your plan to have. Good luck.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yeah think of where the economy would be without the unemployment benefits all being pumped back into it.

A no-brainer, some of these guys seem to need pictures to get it. When a person has no money, he's not spending on things that businesses and industries produce, which eventually creates more layoffs and often puts them out of business, and the cycle is repeated.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yeah think of where the economy would be without the unemployment benefits all being pumped back into it.

Think where the economy would be if all those people were working for more than sub-minimum wage and not sucking tax dollars and actually paying tax dollars.

Yup.

Think why the economy has STALLED because businesses have hoarded profits and refused to rehire, opting instead to squeeze more productivity for less money out of the employees they kept on their payrolls.

Yes, THINK!!!!

 

[MaggieMae]

So Slums and Ghettos are good for the economy?

Sure they are. Central City here in New Orleans is booming! Well, at least the crack and heroin trade is booming.

Better check the closets of some of your friends in your upper-class neighborhoods, my friend. Prescription drug abuse is epidemic and now exceeds crack and heroin use in low-income inner cities.

 

[MaggieMae]

If there were jobs created, there would be a low unemployment rate, yes?
Haven't seen that lately.

Increase in employment = job creation - job losses. Surely you understand this.

Everyones looking for the government to creat jobs. Well, the government cant creat jobs. They can only create the conditions of economic freedom that encourages others to create jobs. And Obama is no friend of economic freedom.

Billions in tax breaks for businesses is hardly an indication of that.

 

[MaggieMae]

From 2001 to 2008, Republicans, working with the Chamber of Commerce and China moved 2.4 million jobs to China.

So what is the "final" solution for those unemployed according to Republicans?

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

to increase their profit.

And zero taxes if they can figure out how to do it.

 

[MaggieMae]

Ever heard of economies of scale? Why do you think those businesses move overseas?

to increase their profit.

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

Corporate profits rose 29% in 2010, the fastest growth in more than 60 years, which has resulted in hefty raises for many CEOs, but hasn't yet trickled down to most employees nor inspired those corporations to rehire laid off people at any measurable speed. Is there a "scale" justifying that?

 

[Publius1787]

to increase their profit.

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

Corporate profits rose 29% in 2010, the fastest growth in more than 60 years, which has resulted in hefty raises for many CEOs, but hasn't yet trickled down to most employees nor inspired those corporations to rehire laid off people at any measurable speed. Is there a "scale" justifying that?

First is that percentage in real or nominal numbers? Or do you know the difference? Also, did you know that investments, in other words inventory, is taxed as "profit?" So when a business increases its inventory to create more jobs, that expansion is taxed as profit. But you assign a dollor amount without understanding that the dollar amount also represents new offices, buildings, computers, inventory, etc etc etc. If I make a profit and expand my business, that increase in inventory and capital (capital is not money) is STILL considered profit. As far as the terms economies of scale goes I do not have enough time to teach economics to someone who is so ignorant on economics that they dont know what economies of scale means. However, I would be humerously entertained if you could just tell me exactly what you would do to remedy what you, yourself, consider a problem. Once you do, but you wont, I will show you how your plan will have the exact opposite effect of your intention. Until then.

 

[MaggieMae]

To make profit possible. Economies of scale. Look it up.

Corporate profits rose 29% in 2010, the fastest growth in more than 60 years, which has resulted in hefty raises for many CEOs, but hasn't yet trickled down to most employees nor inspired those corporations to rehire laid off people at any measurable speed. Is there a "scale" justifying that?

First is that percentage in real or nominal numbers? Or do you know the difference? Also, did you know that investments, in other words inventory, is taxed as "profit?" So when a business increases its inventory to create more jobs, that expansion is taxed as profit. But you assign a dollor amount without understanding that the dollar amount also represents new offices, buildings, computers, inventory, etc etc etc. If I make a profit and expand my business, that increase in inventory and capital (capital is not money) is STILL considered profit. As far as the terms economies of scale goes I do not have enough time to teach economics to someone who is so ignorant on economics that they dont know what economies of scale means. However, I would be humerously entertained if you could just tell me exactly what you would do to remedy what you, yourself, consider a problem. Once you do, but you wont, I will show you how your plan will have the exact opposite effect of your intention. Until then.

Why do you think I put it in quotes? Jeezus, lighten up.

 

[Avorysuds]

Yeah think of where the economy would be without the unemployment benefits all being pumped back into it.

That has to be one of the more naive statements I have seen all week. Sometimes you come off as smart and other I'm left thinking "is this even the same guy?"

If much of the bailouts, stimulus's and welfare stuff were not done the country would be in much different shape... Last time we did that we have a boom for almost 10 years, the last time we did massive stimulus/Bailouts we had a depression for like 12 years.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah think of where the economy would be without the unemployment benefits all being pumped back into it.

That has to be one of the more naive statements I have seen all week. Sometimes you come off as smart and other I'm left thinking "is this even the same guy?"

If much of the bailouts, stimulus's and welfare stuff were not done the country would be in much different shape... Last time we did that we have a boom for almost 10 years, the last time we did massive stimulus/Bailouts we had a depression for like 12 years.

the S&L bailout?

 

[Jessica Blume]

Artificially stimulating the economy is all that does when you print money out of thin air. It does not last long, and you either have to print more money to keep up the illusion and have inflation as a result, or it will eventually return to its original value, which is zero. Only sound money should be used to back our dollar.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yeah think of where the economy would be without the unemployment benefits all being pumped back into it.

That has to be one of the more naive statements I have seen all week. Sometimes you come off as smart and other I'm left thinking "is this even the same guy?"

If much of the bailouts, stimulus's and welfare stuff were not done the country would be in much different shape... Last time we did that we have a boom for almost 10 years, the last time we did massive stimulus/Bailouts we had a depression for like 12 years.

the S&L bailout?

There have been many "bailouts" in the past. This site analyzes all of them, and shows the results.

History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica

 

[MaggieMae]

Artificially stimulating the economy is all that does when you print money out of thin air. It does not last long, and you either have to print more money to keep up the illusion and have inflation as a result, or it will eventually return to its original value, which is zero. Only sound money should be used to back our dollar.

Well unfortunately, Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1973, and the amount of bullion the US actually owns these days wouldn't last very long.