I Personally Can't Stand Her

[rightwinger]

I'm sure you would, commie.

The actions of Jane Fonda did not result in any fatalities

The VietNam war mongers killed 60,000 and complain that Fonda and company prevented them from killing more

War mongers like Kennedy, Johnson, and McNamara?

Yup and the conservatives who screamed about hippie fags who were messing up their war

 

[S.J.]

All the plastic surgery and personal trainers in the world won't change the fact that she's an unapologetic traitorous pig.

Boy...that fishing trip didn't last long.

Are you as upset over John McCain's daddy finally securing him luxury quarters in exchange for some primo intel?

Is that supposed to be a "gotcha" question? If it is, you failed because I can't stand McCain.

 

[rightwinger]

History has proven that Jane Fonda was right in her assessment of Vietnam and Conservatives were wrong

 

[S.J.]

The actions of Jane Fonda did not result in any fatalities

The VietNam war mongers killed 60,000 and complain that Fonda and company prevented them from killing more

War mongers like Kennedy, Johnson, and McNamara?

Yup and the conservatives who screamed about hippie fags who were messing up their war

"Their war"??? Johnson made up the Gulf of Tonken incident to give him an excuse to send 55,000 of our young men to their death. Don't try to drag conservatives into your party's fuck-up.

 

[Pennywise]

History has proven that Jane Fonda was right in her assessment of Vietnam and Conservatives were wrong

That's not the same as sitting on a heavy weapon aimed at American soldiers.

 

[S.J.]

History has proven that Jane Fonda was right in her assessment of Vietnam and Conservatives were wrong

YOUR version of history maybe. And who was the CIC that sent the troops in?

 

[S.J.]

 

[rightwinger]

War mongers like Kennedy, Johnson, and McNamara?

Yup and the conservatives who screamed about hippie fags who were messing up their war

"Their war"??? Johnson made up the Gulf of Tonken incident to give him an excuse to send 55,000 of our young men to their death. Don't try to drag conservatives into your party's fuck-up.

Oh........so I suppose it was liberals escalating the war?

 

[Pennywise]

Important to keep in mind, Fonda was not so much anti war as she was pro communist. She would have never done the photo op otherwise.

She's a grotesque person, no matter how lovely in appearance.

 

[S.J.]

Yup and the conservatives who screamed about hippie fags who were messing up their war

"Their war"??? Johnson made up the Gulf of Tonken incident to give him an excuse to send 55,000 of our young men to their death. Don't try to drag conservatives into your party's fuck-up.

Oh........so I suppose it was liberals escalating the war?

When, exactly?

 

[whitehall]

Let it go. Jane Fonda ain't a media celebrity.

 

[Indeependent]

All the plastic surgery and personal trainers in the world won't change the fact that she's an unapologetic traitorous pig.

She's Dick Cheney?

 

[Political Junky]

The Right never met a war they didn't like.

 

[Vigilante]

A Gila monster is pretty also!

 

[Vigilante]

Let it go. Jane Fonda ain't a media celebrity.

You don't forget scum when you were in country and that **** was on the other side!

 

[rightwinger]

History has proven that Jane Fonda was right in her assessment of Vietnam and Conservatives were wrong

YOUR version of history maybe. And who was the CIC that sent the troops in?

Do you think I will defend LBJ? Do you think Jane Fonda would?

Conservative war mongers drove us into a Red Menace frenzy and cost us 60,000 lives. Jane Fonda tried to stop it.

 

[Vigilante]

History has proven that Jane Fonda was right in her assessment of Vietnam and Conservatives were wrong

YOUR version of history maybe. And who was the CIC that sent the troops in?

Do you think I will defend LBJ? Do you think Jane Fonda would?

Conservative war mongers drove us into a Red Menace frenzy and cost us 60,000 lives. Jane Fonda tried to stop it.

Tied to stop it, you stupid bastard, she PRAISED the Viet Cong for killing us.... you need to be dispatched with that ****!

[snip]A 2005 article published in Thanh Nien, the official newspaper of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Ho Chi Minh Youth Group, describes an interview with a retired Vietnamese official named Ho Nam, who in 1972 was a consular officer assigned to the North Vietnamese diplomatic mission in Paris. Ho Nam describes how he met with Fonda when she came to the mission to request a travel visa to North Vietnam. He and another consular officer taught Ms. Fonda a North Vietnamese army fighting song that she wanted to learn for to use while in Hanoi. He quotes her as saying, “I want to sing it as a gift to your soldiers.” Ho Nam also recalls that when Ms. Fonda left Hanoi after completing her visit, she called him from Bangkok, and asked him to meet her at Paris’s Orly International Airport when she returned to France, which he did.[/snip}

[snip]
The point here is not that Jane Fonda was a witting agent of the North Vietnamese communists, because there is absolutely no evidence for such a charge. It is that she knowingly placed herself in a position in which a hostile intelligence service could exploit her fame and her contacts for both covert intelligence collection and covert propaganda operations, and that, according to the North Vietnamese themselves, one of her close contacts was a covert intelligence officer whose entire purpose in 1972 was to exploit people just like her. To imagine that he would not at least try to manipulate and exploit her is naïve in the extreme.

Jane Fonda does indeed owe an apology to Vietnam veterans, and to her country, not for her opposition to the war—many truly patriotic Americans, young and old, were honestly, and perhaps rightly, opposed to the war—but for placing herself in a situation in which the intelligence service of a foreign government actively engaged in hostilities against American forces could exploit and manipulate her, as she herself admits they did.[/snip]

- See more at: History News Network | Jane Fonda and Her Friendly North Vietnamese Intelligence Officer

 

[rightwinger]

YOUR version of history maybe. And who was the CIC that sent the troops in?

Do you think I will defend LBJ? Do you think Jane Fonda would?

Conservative war mongers drove us into a Red Menace frenzy and cost us 60,000 lives. Jane Fonda tried to stop it.

Tied to stop it, you stupid bastard, she PRAISED the Viet Cong for killing us.... you need to be dispatched with that ****!

[snip]A 2005 article published in Thanh Nien, the official newspaper of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Ho Chi Minh Youth Group, describes an interview with a retired Vietnamese official named Ho Nam, who in 1972 was a consular officer assigned to the North Vietnamese diplomatic mission in Paris. Ho Nam describes how he met with Fonda when she came to the mission to request a travel visa to North Vietnam. He and another consular officer taught Ms. Fonda a North Vietnamese army fighting song that she wanted to learn for to use while in Hanoi. He quotes her as saying, “I want to sing it as a gift to your soldiers.” Ho Nam also recalls that when Ms. Fonda left Hanoi after completing her visit, she called him from Bangkok, and asked him to meet her at Paris’s Orly International Airport when she returned to France, which he did.[/snip}

[snip]
The point here is not that Jane Fonda was a witting agent of the North Vietnamese communists, because there is absolutely no evidence for such a charge. It is that she knowingly placed herself in a position in which a hostile intelligence service could exploit her fame and her contacts for both covert intelligence collection and covert propaganda operations, and that, according to the North Vietnamese themselves, one of her close contacts was a covert intelligence officer whose entire purpose in 1972 was to exploit people just like her. To imagine that he would not at least try to manipulate and exploit her is naïve in the extreme.

Jane Fonda does indeed owe an apology to Vietnam veterans, and to her country, not for her opposition to the war—many truly patriotic Americans, young and old, were honestly, and perhaps rightly, opposed to the war—but for placing herself in a situation in which the intelligence service of a foreign government actively engaged in hostilities against American forces could exploit and manipulate her, as she herself admits they did.[/snip]

- See more at: History News Network | Jane Fonda and Her Friendly North Vietnamese Intelligence Officer

Was Jane Fonda's fame exploited by the other side? Of course it was

Was Bob Hopes fame exploited to keep a tactically unnecessary war going for years? Of course it was

The difference is that the war mongers who were sending boys in to be killed unnecessarily were wrapping themselves in the American flag and questioning the patriotism of those who opposed their meat grinder

 

[Vigilante]

Do you think I will defend LBJ? Do you think Jane Fonda would?

Conservative war mongers drove us into a Red Menace frenzy and cost us 60,000 lives. Jane Fonda tried to stop it.

Tied to stop it, you stupid bastard, she PRAISED the Viet Cong for killing us.... you need to be dispatched with that ****!

[snip]A 2005 article published in Thanh Nien, the official newspaper of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Ho Chi Minh Youth Group, describes an interview with a retired Vietnamese official named Ho Nam, who in 1972 was a consular officer assigned to the North Vietnamese diplomatic mission in Paris. Ho Nam describes how he met with Fonda when she came to the mission to request a travel visa to North Vietnam. He and another consular officer taught Ms. Fonda a North Vietnamese army fighting song that she wanted to learn for to use while in Hanoi. He quotes her as saying, “I want to sing it as a gift to your soldiers.” Ho Nam also recalls that when Ms. Fonda left Hanoi after completing her visit, she called him from Bangkok, and asked him to meet her at Paris’s Orly International Airport when she returned to France, which he did.[/snip}

[snip]
The point here is not that Jane Fonda was a witting agent of the North Vietnamese communists, because there is absolutely no evidence for such a charge. It is that she knowingly placed herself in a position in which a hostile intelligence service could exploit her fame and her contacts for both covert intelligence collection and covert propaganda operations, and that, according to the North Vietnamese themselves, one of her close contacts was a covert intelligence officer whose entire purpose in 1972 was to exploit people just like her. To imagine that he would not at least try to manipulate and exploit her is naïve in the extreme.

Jane Fonda does indeed owe an apology to Vietnam veterans, and to her country, not for her opposition to the war—many truly patriotic Americans, young and old, were honestly, and perhaps rightly, opposed to the war—but for placing herself in a situation in which the intelligence service of a foreign government actively engaged in hostilities against American forces could exploit and manipulate her, as she herself admits they did.[/snip]

- See more at: History News Network | Jane Fonda and Her Friendly North Vietnamese Intelligence Officer

Was Jane Fonda's fame exploited by the other side? Of course it was

Was Bob Hopes fame exploited to keep a tactically unnecessary war going for years? Of course it was

The difference is that the war mongers who were sending boys in to be killed unnecessarily were wrapping themselves in the American flag and questioning the patriotism of those who opposed their meat grinder

Again, you asshole, Bob Hope's trips were designed to raise the morale of our troops, and with the women he brought with him, it did just that!

No one likes war, shit for brains, but Harry Truman created the Truman Doctrine, which basically indicates that the U.S. would assist any country or movement fighting communism. How much assistance was not specified though. Although the Truman Doctrine was not a direct treaty with South Vietnam, the doctrine and several incidents put the U.S. into a position of assisting South Vietnam with or without a treaty.

Few remember that Ho Chi Minh was a renown communists when he asked Truman for assistance to remove the French from Vietnam and Indo China. That in mind, Truman would have been a hypocrite if he backed Ho Chi Minh and the communists against our French allies. This and other issues made our initial involvement in Vietnam and our support of South Vietnam a noble cause.

 

[rightwinger]

Tied to stop it, you stupid bastard, she PRAISED the Viet Cong for killing us.... you need to be dispatched with that ****!

[snip]A 2005 article published in Thanh Nien, the official newspaper of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Ho Chi Minh Youth Group, describes an interview with a retired Vietnamese official named Ho Nam, who in 1972 was a consular officer assigned to the North Vietnamese diplomatic mission in Paris. Ho Nam describes how he met with Fonda when she came to the mission to request a travel visa to North Vietnam. He and another consular officer taught Ms. Fonda a North Vietnamese army fighting song that she wanted to learn for to use while in Hanoi. He quotes her as saying, “I want to sing it as a gift to your soldiers.” Ho Nam also recalls that when Ms. Fonda left Hanoi after completing her visit, she called him from Bangkok, and asked him to meet her at Paris’s Orly International Airport when she returned to France, which he did.[/snip}

[snip]
The point here is not that Jane Fonda was a witting agent of the North Vietnamese communists, because there is absolutely no evidence for such a charge. It is that she knowingly placed herself in a position in which a hostile intelligence service could exploit her fame and her contacts for both covert intelligence collection and covert propaganda operations, and that, according to the North Vietnamese themselves, one of her close contacts was a covert intelligence officer whose entire purpose in 1972 was to exploit people just like her. To imagine that he would not at least try to manipulate and exploit her is naïve in the extreme.

Jane Fonda does indeed owe an apology to Vietnam veterans, and to her country, not for her opposition to the war—many truly patriotic Americans, young and old, were honestly, and perhaps rightly, opposed to the war—but for placing herself in a situation in which the intelligence service of a foreign government actively engaged in hostilities against American forces could exploit and manipulate her, as she herself admits they did.[/snip]

- See more at: History News Network | Jane Fonda and Her Friendly North Vietnamese Intelligence Officer

Was Jane Fonda's fame exploited by the other side? Of course it was

Was Bob Hopes fame exploited to keep a tactically unnecessary war going for years? Of course it was

The difference is that the war mongers who were sending boys in to be killed unnecessarily were wrapping themselves in the American flag and questioning the patriotism of those who opposed their meat grinder

Again, you asshole, Bob Hope's trips were designed to raise the morale of our troops, and with the women he brought with him, it did just that!

No one likes war, shit for brains, but Harry Truman created the Truman Doctrine, which basically indicates that the U.S. would assist any country or movement fighting communism. How much assistance was not specified though. Although the Truman Doctrine was not a direct treaty with South Vietnam, the doctrine and several incidents put the U.S. into a position of assisting South Vietnam with or without a treaty.

Few remember that Ho Chi Minh was a renown communists when he asked Truman for assistance to remove the French from Vietnam and Indo China. That in mind, Truman would have been a hypocrite if he backed Ho Chi Minh and the communists against our French allies. This and other issues made our initial involvement in Vietnam and our support of South Vietnam a noble cause.

Yup, Bob Hope raised morale, so did the scantily clad women

But the issue wasn't making soldiers in VietNam happy, but not having them there in the first place

Jane Fonda understood that......Conservative warmongers did not