I keep asking.

[Foxfyre]

Evidence can be destroyed. No argument about that.
Photos can be doctored or deceptive to begin with. No argument about that either.
Governments have been known to try to hoodwink the people. That is a fact.

But for me the one compelling fact in evidence in this whole 'mystery' or
'conspiracy' or 'fake' or whatever any of you want to call it is this:

So far not one of the thousands of witnesses including those who sifted
through the wreckage, who have catalogued, documented, examined, tested
(including DNA testing) the debris and human remains, or any of the media
who focused on nothing else other than 9/11 for many days following the event. . . .
not one of those folks has leaked any suggestion that they were ordered to
tell anything other than the truth.

Not one leak. Not one testimony from anybody asked to lie or falsify evidence.

Stack that up in a world in which no infidelity of a prominant person can be
kept hidden, that no government scandal goes unreported by at least somebody, that
every lie told by every politician is questioned by somebody. And somebody is
always willing to tell all for fame, revenge, or money.

But not one witness related to Flight 93 has stepped forward to 'fess up' to
a coverup or faked crash.

Sorry folks, but I simply don't find it credible that there was no crash in that
Pennsylvania field on 9/11/2001.

 

[eots]

That's not true..leaks were plugged however ..dissenters silenced

 

[Foxfyre]

That's not true..leaks were plugged however ..dissenters silenced

Sorry, I'm not buying it. Based on our entire national history, sooner or later somebody goes public. We are talking about thousands if not tens of thousands of people involved. Somebody would have fessed up if there was any intentional coverup. There is no way you could keep something like that under wraps with so many people involved.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To find myself agreeing with foxfyre makes me realize just how eots and terral truly are wierd.

 

[Fizz]

That's not true..leaks were plugged however ..dissenters silenced

prove it.

 

[Andrew2382]

lol @ thinking that this government we live in has the intelligence and ability to carry off such a conspiracy.

9/11 if it was a conspiracy is not something that 5 people in a room could have done...that is unless they are terrorists and plan to kill themselves as well.

At least with things like JFK and what not that can be done with a small group.

9/11 would have invovled thousands of people.

From demolition teams to put in explosives in the towers....execution squads to kidnap and kill the people who died in PA...someone firing rockets into the pentagon....intelligence groups knowing when the attack was going to happen.

how fucking stupid can you be to think it was a conspiracy and thousands of people would have been invovled from the federal to local governments and no one would have said anything by now.

you people are really out of your mind

 

[Zoom-boing]

Again, where are the people who were on Flight 93? If it didn't crash, where are the people? If the plane was really diverted, where are the people? If the flight log was bogus, where are the people?

 

[Modbert]

Again, where are the people who were on Flight 93? If it didn't crash, where are the people? If the plane was really diverted, where are the people? If the flight log was bogus, where are the people?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEUTE0K3B3o[/ame]

 

[Fizz]

Again, where are the people who were on Flight 93? If it didn't crash, where are the people? If the plane was really diverted, where are the people? If the flight log was bogus, where are the people?

i believe i debunked the flight log thing in another thread (unless we are talking about another completely different and equally bogus claim). http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...1-pentagon-aircraft-hijack-impossible-28.html

 

[eots]

lol @ thinking that this government we live in has the intelligence and ability to carry off such a conspiracy.

9/11 if it was a conspiracy is not something that 5 people in a room could have done...that is unless they are terrorists and plan to kill themselves as well.

At least with things like JFK and what not that can be done with a small group.

9/11 would have invovled thousands of people.

From demolition teams to put in explosives in the towers....execution squads to kidnap and kill the people who died in PA...someone firing rockets into the pentagon....intelligence groups knowing when the attack was going to happen.

how fucking stupid can you be to think it was a conspiracy and thousands of people would have been invovled from the federal to local governments and no one would have said anything by now.

you people are really out of your mind

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2JB53aX-E[/ame]

 

[Fizz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2JB53aX-E

JFK is talking about Communists. are you now saying that communists killed JFK? (and its actually true as Oswald was a communist).

 

[eots]

communist ? ..global socialism..same people same thing ...yes he was speaking of a global socialist conspiracy...but he was not speaking of the USSR

 

[Liability]

If the plane did not crash in Pennsylvania and the plane did not hit the Pentagon, where did the planes, crew and passengers go?

The plane DID crash into a field in PA and it left a very big crater and readily identifiable debris buried within it. For example:

AND:

I apologize for using Wiki, but I got a little lazy and instead of retracing my steps to find the better quality images, this was a fair shortcut. These are the images I saw the other day.

Body parts were spread out over a wide area given the force of the impact, but the remains were just parts. See, for example: Wallace Miller

Most of the remains were pulverized and consumed by the flames which is hardly unexpected considering the speed at which the plane was flying almost straight down vertically into the ground:*

The plane crashed into a reclaimed coal strip mine in Stonycreek Township at 10:03:11.[53] The National Transportation Safety Board reported that the flight impacted at 563 miles per hour (906 km/h) at a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude.[18] The impact left a crater eight to ten feet deep (c. 3 m), and thirty to fifty feet wide (c. 12 m).[54] None of the 44 people on board survived.[55] * * * *

Kelly Leverknight was watching news of the attacks when she heard the plane. "I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down. It was headed toward the school, which panicked me, because all three of my kids were there. Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke."[62] Another witness, Eric Peterson, looked up when he heard the plane, "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."[63] Val McClatchey had been watching footage of the attacks when she heard the plane. She saw it briefly, then heard the impact. The crash knocked out the electricity and phones. McClatchey grabbed her camera and took the only known picture of the smoke cloud from the explosion.[64][65]

Source = Wiki: United Airlines Flight 93 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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* Again, I apologize for using Wiki, but it does tend to just reiterate the info I had found at other websites a couple of days ago.

 

[Liability]

And now I see something I had not noticed in the last 8 years. It turns out that the DNA analysis of the fragmented remains of the passengers on the flight that crashed into the field in PA (together with those of the damned Islamoshitfuckers that committed that part of the atrocities) WERE identified.

Human remains from the Flight 93 crash site are moved to a temporary morgue that has been set up at the Pennsylvania National Guard Armory, several miles away in Friedens. High-tech mortuary equipment has been brought to the armory in a tractor-trailer. [Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency, 9/12/2001 ; WTAE-TV, 9/13/2001] 75 to 100 specialists, including pathologists and fingerprint experts, are involved in the attempt to identify the remains. Forensic anthropologist Dennis Dirkmaat says that because the remains have suffered “extreme fragmentation,” most will need to be identified using DNA analysis. [Washington Post, 9/14/2001] When remains cannot be identified at the temporary morgue, samples are sent on to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, Maryland, where samples from the Pentagon crash are also being analyzed (see September 11-November 16, 2001). [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001; Stars and Stripes, 10/8/2001; KCRA, 12/20/2001] By December 19, the remains of all 40 passengers and crew from Flight 93 have been identified, using fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. Investigators have, by a process of elimination, also been able to isolate genetic profiles of the four hijackers. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001; DMORT National News, 1/2002; Associated Press, 2/26/2002; Stripe, 9/20/2002] Searchers recovered about 510 pounds of human remains at the crash scene, equaling about eight percent of the total bodyweight on the plane. According to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, everything else was vaporized. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002; Canadian Press, 3/28/2004]

Context of 'September 13-December 19, 2001: Investigators Work to Identify Flight 93 Victims'

 

[DickCheney]

So some incredibly large group of people orchestrated a terrorist attack that killed thousands of people in a single day yet they don't bother to take out all of these "witnesses" and "investigators" that can "prove" the conspiracy?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So some incredibly large group of people orchestrated a terrorist attack that killed thousands of people in a single day yet they don't bother to take out all of these "witnesses" and "investigators" that can "prove" the conspiracy?

You keep missing it, this was all done by a couple guys with a nintendo controller.

 

[elvis]

So some incredibly large group of people orchestrated a terrorist attack that killed thousands of people in a single day yet they don't bother to take out all of these "witnesses" and "investigators" that can "prove" the conspiracy?

You keep missing it, this was all done by a couple guys with a nintendo controller.

In building 7, right?

 

[Fizz]

So some incredibly large group of people orchestrated a terrorist attack that killed thousands of people in a single day yet they don't bother to take out all of these "witnesses" and "investigators" that can "prove" the conspiracy?

You keep missing it, this was all done by a couple guys with a nintendo controller.

In building 7, right?

it was a concrete nintendo controller. i know this because i refuse to pay child support .

 

[eots]

And now I see something I had not noticed in the last 8 years. It turns out that the DNA analysis of the fragmented remains of the passengers on the flight that crashed into the field in PA (together with those of the damned Islamoshitfuckers that committed that part of the atrocities) WERE identified.

Human remains from the Flight 93 crash site are moved to a temporary morgue that has been set up at the Pennsylvania National Guard Armory, several miles away in Friedens. High-tech mortuary equipment has been brought to the armory in a tractor-trailer. [Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency, 9/12/2001 ; WTAE-TV, 9/13/2001] 75 to 100 specialists, including pathologists and fingerprint experts, are involved in the attempt to identify the remains. Forensic anthropologist Dennis Dirkmaat says that because the remains have suffered “extreme fragmentation,” most will need to be identified using DNA analysis. [Washington Post, 9/14/2001] When remains cannot be identified at the temporary morgue, samples are sent on to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, Maryland, where samples from the Pentagon crash are also being analyzed (see September 11-November 16, 2001). [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001; Stars and Stripes, 10/8/2001; KCRA, 12/20/2001] By December 19, the remains of all 40 passengers and crew from Flight 93 have been identified, using fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. Investigators have, by a process of elimination, also been able to isolate genetic profiles of the four hijackers. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001; DMORT National News, 1/2002; Associated Press, 2/26/2002; Stripe, 9/20/2002] Searchers recovered about 510 pounds of human remains at the crash scene, equaling about eight percent of the total bodyweight on the plane. According to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, everything else was vaporized. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002; Canadian Press, 3/28/2004]

Context of 'September 13-December 19, 2001: Investigators Work to Identify Flight 93 Victims'

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FCsqayKrSM[/ame]

 

[SFC Ollie]

And now I see something I had not noticed in the last 8 years. It turns out that the DNA analysis of the fragmented remains of the passengers on the flight that crashed into the field in PA (together with those of the damned Islamoshitfuckers that committed that part of the atrocities) WERE identified.

Human remains from the Flight 93 crash site are moved to a temporary morgue that has been set up at the Pennsylvania National Guard Armory, several miles away in Friedens. High-tech mortuary equipment has been brought to the armory in a tractor-trailer. [Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency, 9/12/2001 ; WTAE-TV, 9/13/2001] 75 to 100 specialists, including pathologists and fingerprint experts, are involved in the attempt to identify the remains. Forensic anthropologist Dennis Dirkmaat says that because the remains have suffered “extreme fragmentation,” most will need to be identified using DNA analysis. [Washington Post, 9/14/2001] When remains cannot be identified at the temporary morgue, samples are sent on to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, Maryland, where samples from the Pentagon crash are also being analyzed (see September 11-November 16, 2001). [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/25/2001; Stars and Stripes, 10/8/2001; KCRA, 12/20/2001] By December 19, the remains of all 40 passengers and crew from Flight 93 have been identified, using fingerprints, dental records, and DNA. Investigators have, by a process of elimination, also been able to isolate genetic profiles of the four hijackers. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001; DMORT National News, 1/2002; Associated Press, 2/26/2002; Stripe, 9/20/2002] Searchers recovered about 510 pounds of human remains at the crash scene, equaling about eight percent of the total bodyweight on the plane. According to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, everything else was vaporized. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002; Age (Melbourne), 9/9/2002; Canadian Press, 3/28/2004]

Context of 'September 13-December 19, 2001: Investigators Work to Identify Flight 93 Victims'

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FCsqayKrSM[/ame]

The people were, like the plane, shredded, fragmented, and burned.

in the following weeks, hundreds of searchers are able to find about 1,500 scorched human tissue samples,

Wallace Miller