I hope they throw the book at her

[RetiredGySgt]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

for what would they throw the book at her? please cite the section of the CMJ.

Disobeying a general Order. Perhaps if you were not clueless you would know that as a military member you are UNDER orders to stand for the national colors and anthem? And required to salute if in uniform. But then you being a lawyer you already knew this right?

why don't you leave it to people smarter than you are and who aren't insane to answer questions

thanks.

Retard alert, our local retard had a question and even after several answers was still clueless and then when schooled on her STUPIDITY doubled down. Hey Councilor get a client and learn the law.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You don't find it ironic that someone that has volunteered her life to protect your ass can go to jail for refusing to stand? And stationed at Pearl Harbor at that. I find it extremely ironic.

If she wants to go to jail over it that is certainly her choice.

Maybe she's just mentally ill

Joining the military isn't the same as joining a Flame Zone clique, Rati. She took an oath to abide by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Civilians have no duty to salute an officer, but the enlisted in the Navy sure do. Failure to follow protocol is taken seriously.

 

[Uncensored2008]

why don't you leave it to people smarter than you are and who aren't insane to answer questions

thanks.

You know Jillian, you should sign up at the local adult school and take an introduction to law class.

It would do you wonders.

 

[Ringel05]

Navy rules state that troops must stand and face the flag when the National Anthem is played. Troops in uniform must salute, while troops not in uniform must stand at attention and place their right hand over their heart. Failure to obey these rules could be charged as a violation of Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice -- failure to obey a lawful general order or regulation.

do the rules say that? or does convention say that? I don't know the answer btw,. I'm asking

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.

 

[Vastator]

Navy rules state that troops must stand and face the flag when the National Anthem is played. Troops in uniform must salute, while troops not in uniform must stand at attention and place their right hand over their heart. Failure to obey these rules could be charged as a violation of Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice -- failure to obey a lawful general order or regulation.

do the rules say that? or does convention say that? I don't know the answer btw,. I'm asking

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It's the ******* military, Mudshark.

 

[Godboy]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

She will sue and the ACLU will back her, and the Southern Poverty Law Group.

Military personally can't sue the military. The ACLU can't do shit.

 

[Ringel05]

do the rules say that? or does convention say that? I don't know the answer btw,. I'm asking

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It the ******* military, Mudshark.

Speaking of ignorant morons.........

 

[Vastator]

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It the ******* military, Mudshark.

Speaking of ignorant morons.........

You were right on cue.

 

[Ringel05]

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It the ******* military, Mudshark.

Speaking of ignorant morons.........

You were right on cue.

Nah, I think I was a little late with that one.

 

[jillian]

do the rules say that? or does convention say that? I don't know the answer btw,. I'm asking

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.

but ignoring color as an issue is wishful thinking. the reality is she has a gripe about serving her country while people who look like her are shot for no reason.

and you can't argue that the people whining about her are mostly the same ones who were screeching that it was ok for the Montana boys to raise arms against our federal officers. and ignoring the fact that color is a factor seems willfully blind.

 

[jillian]

do the rules say that? or does convention say that? I don't know the answer btw,. I'm asking

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It the ******* military, Mudshark.

*yawn*

these are real issues. trolls like you should really leave it to smarter and better to discuss. but thanks for the rant.

and no doubt using the word "nig" makes you feel better about yourself for being white trash.

and you wonder why race is an issue....

did using that word make you feel like you have genitalia or something?

 

[rdean]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.

 

[Ringel05]

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.

but ignoring color as an issue is wishful thinking. the reality is she has a gripe about serving her country while people who look like her are shot for no reason.

and you can't argue that the people whining about her are mostly the same ones who were screeching that it was ok for the Montana boys to raise arms against our federal officers. and ignoring the fact that color is a factor seems willfully blind.

Uummmmmm, I didn't use that word. Just thought you'd like to know.
As for her color and this situation, it has no bearing whatsoever, it has everything to do with military regulations. If she wants to protest then she needs to wait for her enlistment to expire then she can protest to her heart's content.

 

[ChrisL]

These people just don't realize how good they have it here in America.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.

If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you ******* do it.

 

[Vastator]

892. ARTICLE 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION « UCMJ – United States Code of Military Justice

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

How quaint. That lil bit you added about a "person of color". Did you think being a nig would give her special treatment? This ain't Ferguson. It the ******* military, Mudshark.

*yawn*

these are real issues. trolls like you should really leave it to smarter and better to discuss. but thanks for the rant.

and no doubt using the word "nig" makes you feel better about yourself for being white trash.

and you wonder why race is an issue....

did using that word make you feel like you have genitalia or something?

It is a serious issue one you tried to cheapen by your suggestive post that she be given special recognition for being a ni**er. You made it a race issue. Pot; meet kettle.

 

[jillian]

I know that. but what regulation requires her to stand for the anthem? and is that, in fact, a lawful order?

again, I assume these issues will be addressed and I do assume she'll face charges. the question then becomes does she get punished.

and if that is what she wishes to do to take a stand, then can we stop her? she's placed herself in harms way for the country. is it too much to ask that people who look like our troops don't get shot down for no reason?

Article 1205.

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/documents/united_states_navy_regulations_chapter_12.pdf

thanks.

I do have to wonder though, about all of these people so incensed that a person of color isn't standing for the national anthem but who were perfectly okay with criminals in Montana raising arms against federal troops.

just saying....

Those who bring color into it are what they are, ignorant morons (the open and closet racists), as for this situation I don't care what color she was, she signed enlistment papers and swore an oath (binding contracts), failure to comply with all terms of those contracts is punishable.
In this instance refusing to stand would most likely result in an Article 15, failure to stand if directly ordered at that moment is a whole different ball of wax which would result in a Courts Martial which would most likely end up with a dishonorable discharge and possibly jail time. The military doesn't take kindly to personnel who refuse a lawful order.

but ignoring color as an issue is wishful thinking. the reality is she has a gripe about serving her country while people who look like her are shot for no reason.

and you can't argue that the people whining about her are mostly the same ones who were screeching that it was ok for the Montana boys to raise arms against our federal officers. and ignoring the fact that color is a factor seems willfully blind.

Uummmmmm, I didn't use that word. Just thought you'd like to know.
As for her color and this situation, it has no bearing whatsoever, it has everything to do with military regulations. If she wants to protest then she needs to wait for her enlistment to expire then she can protest to her heart's content.

that was an edit that went to the post after. I deleted it. I know it wasn't you. you wouldn't use that word.

color has bearing when you see people who look like you being shot down for no reason. same as color has bearing to the people who thought it was ok for a bunch of old white men to point weapons at federal troops. you know, and I know, that the same people who supported the Montana thugs, are having nervous breakdowns over something as simple as not standing for the anthem, and are perfectly ok with unarmed black people being gunned down by cops for no reason.

see the problem here? before those problems get solved, people like you, who want the world to be color blind (which is something I think most of us would like) first have to acknowledge the disparity, the problem and discuss ways of addressing those problems.

the point of people like this taking a stand (or not as it were) is to get us talking.

would you prefer they did things no one would notice?

 

[jillian]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.

If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you ******* do it.

no matter what the order? want to try that again?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Navy Sailor Refuses to Stand During National Anthem

This one is dumb as shit. She should get maximum penalty.

The reason so many of us go into the military is to protect the constitutional rights of people to protest. It's sad you don't see it that way. One wonders if you ever actually were in the military or if you understood what the military means to America.

If you were ever in the military you'd know when you're ordered to do something you ******* do it.

no matter what the order? want to try that again?

Ahhh shaddup you fraud. Go pretend to be an attorney, the military is just another thing in the long list of shit you're clueless about

 

[NLT]

for what would they throw the book at her? please cite the section of the CMJ.

UCMJ ya **** Article 92