Zone1 i do wonder why the US can't just properly police their borders.

[ESay]

Two main reasons:
1. The American economy badly needs cheap unqualified labor from Mexico and Central America.

2. Stopping illegal migration from the South means nothing less than bringing the Army there and starting to shoot out the migrants that try to cross the border.

^

A gigantic mountain of nonsense typed by someone who refuses to accept the reality that america did not and does not deport millions of hispanics crossing their borders in the last 60 years because after WWII the country underwent an ideological change in its self-definition as a nation:

From a white nation that was part and parcel of the western, european civilization to a "multiracial" nation, in one of the most absurd, insane, suicidal transformations ever seen in the entire history of nation states.

You are a Hispanic by origin, right?

 

[José]

Originally posted by Esay
You are a Hispanic by origin, right?

Esay, my man, you see...

Even after 60 years of multiracialist insanity in America and her western european "colonies", like Holland, you still don't find a whole lot of José McFarlands and José Blakemores in the US .

So you guessed it right, I'm hispanic.

 

[Couchpotato]

i do wonder why the US can't just properly police their own borders.
maybe they need to bring in the military..?

and you'd have to be willing (by real necessity) to cap the yearly (semi-)legal immigration rate,
based on scientific and bean counter analysis of what type of worker the US needs and can't get for some reason,
as well as fine-tune the legal and semi-legal immigration laws based on the type of immigrants that get caught (and treated humanely, by yes, the US military and borderguards).

you'd also just plainly have to ship immigrants that don't meet your standards back to their country of origin.

and finally, you'd need to buy ads time in many South-American and Central-American and Africa and on national TV of China,
that explains briefly why America just can't accept new immigrants, or : what the requirements for legal immigration are,
AND that anyone found unsuitable will be shipped back to their country of origin.

It's not a matter of cant it's a matter of wont.

 

[Couchpotato]

Big Business will not allow Congress to do anything that would actually make a difference.

It's also a great political issue each side can use to cudgel the other with much like abortion.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It's also a great political issue each side can use to cudgel the other with much like abortion.

yep

 

[Couchpotato]

yep

A third issue is that every admin handles immigration differently, enforcing and/or ignoring immigration laws and rules based on what they had for dinner last night or how the winds happen to be blowing that day it would seem.

 

[MarathonMike]

going to a multi-racial arrangment in a country is often times NOT an insane project.
it does need immigration filtration systems, and free yet compulsory language and legal courses,
but it's a badge of honor for any country and usually ends up providing that country with for instance mom-and-pop foreign cuisine shops.

my own country is an example of a multi-cultural country,
and i find it a very pleasant set of circumstances.

I'm fairly certain your country, whichever one that is, did not gain it's multi-cultural identity with an invasion of thousands of immigrants per day overwhelming your country's resources and bringing instant death pills killing off your citizens.

 

[MarathonMike]

1. Yes, those migrants want to bring their wives, kids, and numerous relatives with them or after a while. It is quite likely they will want to stay in the US forever and will do everything for that.

2. I am all for that. But here, you mix up two close but not the same issues - drug cartels and migration from Latin America to the US.

I live near the border and see the local reports nearly every day. A large percentage of the illegals are young single men coming from all over the world not just Latin America. Do some research if this topic interests you. All you are doing is parroting the shallow misinformation from Democrat-Controlled "News" agencies.

 

[ESay]

Esay, my man, you see...

Even after 60 years of multiracialist insanity in America and her western european "colonies", like Holland, you still don't find a whole lot of José McFarlands and José Blakemores in the US .

So you guessed it right, I'm hispanic.

Yeah, indeed. And I think there will be no need to become 'Farlands' or 'Blakemores'. Spanish names will be more and more popular in some American states.

 

[Foxfyre]

i do wonder why the US can't just properly police their own borders.
maybe they need to bring in the military..?

and you'd have to be willing (by real necessity) to cap the yearly (semi-)legal immigration rate,
based on scientific and bean counter analysis of what type of worker the US needs and can't get for some reason,
as well as fine-tune the legal and semi-legal immigration laws based on the type of immigrants that get caught (and treated humanely, by yes, the US military and borderguards).

you'd also just plainly have to ship immigrants that don't meet your standards back to their country of origin.

and finally, you'd need to buy ads time in many South-American and Central-American and Africa and on national TV of China,
that explains briefly why America just can't accept new immigrants, or : what the requirements for legal immigration are,
AND that anyone found unsuitable will be shipped back to their country of origin.

It isn't that we can't have sensible immigration policy and enforce it. It is that those hell bent on destroying America as we know it will not allow that.

 

[ESay]

I live near the border and see the local reports nearly every day. A large percentage of the illegals are young single men coming from all over the world not just Latin America. Do some research if this topic interests you. All you are doing is parroting the shallow misinformation from Democrat-Controlled "News" agencies.

Of course they are not only from Latin America. All over the world, indeed. But something tells me that the Hispanics comprise at least 60-70% of those crossing the border.

But what is your point? You want the wall and the Army fighting the cartels there? Fine, do it. But you should have done it 'yesterday', not talking today what you will do tomorrow.

And, imo, the time point has been already missed. One day or another, you will have to accept that parts of the US will have become 'New Mexico' with all their beautiful and ugly form.

 

[MarathonMike]

Of course they are not only from Latin America. All over the world, indeed. But something tells me that the Hispanics comprise at least 60-70% of those crossing the border.

But what is your point? You want the wall and the Army fighting the cartels there? Fine, do it. But you should have done it 'yesterday', not talking today what you will do tomorrow.

And, imo, the time point has been already missed. One day or another, you will have to accept that parts of the US will have become 'New Mexico' with all their beautiful and ugly form.

Something tells you? Like what, your gut feel? We are seeing illegals coming from the farthest points of the globe and everywhere in between.

America is still the world's superpower and IF we get Trump back he will do what is necessary to restore stability at our border. No he cannot CLOSE the border he says that as a messaging strategy. He will come down hard on Obrador like he did when he was President to use HIS military forces to turn back the Cartels and the immigrant cargo. He will also shutoff all foreign aid to foreign countries until they show positive action in stopping the OUTFLOW of immigrants.

There are many things the US must do, but it starts with having an AMERICA FIRST leader who is not a pandering anti-American Democrat.

 

[ESay]

Something tells you? Like what, your gut feel? We are seeing illegals coming from the farthest points of the globe and everywhere in between.

America is still the world's superpower and IF we get Trump back he will do what is necessary to restore stability at our border. No he cannot CLOSE the border he says that as a messaging strategy. He will come down hard on Obrador like he did when he was President to use HIS military forces to turn back the Cartels and the immigrant cargo. He will also shutoff all foreign aid to foreign countries until they show positive action in stopping the OUTFLOW of immigrants.

There are many things the US must do, but it starts with having an AMERICA FIRST leader who is not a pandering anti-American Democrat.

1. Yeah, my gut feelings. And as I said above, I don't argue about 'all over the world'. The question is in proportions.

2. Build the fence, crack down on the cartels and clean the mess on the border. I am all for that. Full speed. And believe me, I really hope that America will overcome her economic, social and political issues and will remain as a leading power of the Western world. If not it, then who? Europe? It is too week, and won't have guts and backbone for at least a generation. China, Russia? A terrific perspective, isn't it?

3. Yeah, I also hope that Trump will get back to the office. My reasons a bit different than yours, but nevertheless.

 

[MarathonMike]

1. Yeah, my gut feelings. And as I said above, I don't argue about 'all over the world'. The question is in proportions.

2. Build the fence, crack down on the cartels and clean the mess on the border. I am all for that. Full speed. And believe me, I really hope that America will overcome her economic, social and political issues and will remain as a leading power of the Western world. If not it, then who? Europe? It is too week, and won't have guts and backbone for at least a generation. China, Russia? A terrific perspective, isn't it?

3. Yeah, I also hope that Trump will get back to the office. My reasons a bit different than yours, but nevertheless.

I'm glad to see you think that, it wasn't clear from your previous posts.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Democrats want an open border because they want White genocide. Republicans want an open border because it brings in cheap labor for corporations to exploit. For decades they had to pretend to be against open borders because the masses don't want open borders. Democrats dropped the lie ever since they figured out that border security could be called racist.

 

[skye]

The question is not so much why this rotten Obiden Administration can't police the borders.....

It's that the don't want to!

That's exactly what the Globalist Left .....the Rats...are doing now and have been doing for some time...

Replacing decent Americans with savages.

 

[Libby von H]

i do wonder why the US can't just properly police their own borders.
maybe they need to bring in the military..?

and you'd have to be willing (by real necessity) to cap the yearly (semi-)legal immigration rate,
based on scientific and bean counter analysis of what type of worker the US needs and can't get for some reason,
as well as fine-tune the legal and semi-legal immigration laws based on the type of immigrants that get caught (and treated humanely, by yes, the US military and borderguards).

you'd also just plainly have to ship immigrants that don't meet your standards back to their country of origin.

and finally, you'd need to buy ads time in many South-American and Central-American and Africa and on national TV of China,
that explains briefly why America just can't accept new immigrants, or : what the requirements for legal immigration are,
AND that anyone found unsuitable will be shipped back to their country of origin.

according to the Constitition, the state documents crafted by Founders PRIOR to the national constitution :all ordinary pollice powers belong to the STATE and the Feds only come in under emergencies --- but the emergency here was created by Biden stopping by every means states from exercising their deputed police powers.

 

[candycorn]

a proper fence can be secured, humanely even, when one just puts plenty of troops in the border regions.

And so you have to do an analysis:

The costs of placing troops along the border (don't rule out the human factor of doing this) vs. the "upside" of keeping out folks who are going to be roofers, laborers, beauticians, etc...

Meanwhile, many who are here illegally have overstayed their visa and came in via car, plane, etc... How does having a base on the border solve that?

 

[2aguy]

Big Business will not allow Congress to do anything that would actually make a difference.

The democrats want new voters to turn Red states blue and just last week a democrat comgress womn stated she wants illegals in her district to pritect her seat ....

 

[2aguy]

And so you have to do an analysis:

The costs of placing troops along the border (don't rule out the human factor of doing this) vs. the "upside" of keeping out folks who are going to be roofers, laborers, beauticians, etc...

Meanwhile, many who are here illegally have overstayed their visa and came in via car, plane, etc... How does having a base on the border solve that?

Because the democrats have allowed millions of illegals from the south into the country since obamas minions began running biden