You keep missing the point (on purpose no doubt - trying to get in good graces with your buddies I see). My point is that I never brought the Bible into this. -Cp did. However, the question was why do you believe or not believe, so he had a right. You guys (Mr. P, Nuclar, yourself) seem to think that a person's religions beliefs, no matter how right or wrong you think they might be, are NOT a legitimate excuse for the person to believe the way they do. What happened to tolerance? If -Cp holds a certain belief because he feels the Bible gives him a reason to hold that belief, why should he be exempted from this conversation? Why are you, Mr. P, etc. trying to censor him? You might not be censoring him by blocking out his words, but you are in a manner by trying to turn his OPINION into something that is "not wanted" here. You guys need to lighten up a bit and let those with differing beliefs express themselves. You don't mind expressing why you believe what you believe in regards to this matter, why do you have to ridicule him for making his beliefs known? You guys are pathetic in that you only think conversations can occurs as YOU want them to. That is sad.