Hunter Biden’s $450,000 Tax Debt Gets Suddenly ‘RESOLVED’ Despite Claiming NO Income

There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
 
Hunter Biden’s $450,000 Tax Debt Gets Suddenly ‘RESOLVED’ Despite Claiming NO Income


23 Aug 2020 ~~ By Jonathan Jones

A large tax debt owed to the government by the son of former Vice President Joe Biden has disappeared, according to a report.
Hunter Biden, who has faced scrutiny over allegedly profiting from businesses internationally using his father’s influence, recently told a court in his Arkansas paternity case that he was out of work and broke.
The Washington Free Beacon reported Saturday that despite the younger Biden’s reported personal and financial woes, he was able to resolve a six-figure tax debt in a short period of time.
“Hunter Biden was hit with a $450,000 lien in July over delinquent state income taxes, which he paid off in six days despite having no discernible income,” the Free Beacon’s Alana Goodman reported.
The ability to pay nearly half a million dollars in back taxes in less than a week seems to contradict statements from Biden to an Arkansas court that he could not afford to pay child support.
In January, Biden agreed to pay the mother of a child he fathered in Arkansas, despite not having a job, retroactive to November 2018, Fox News reported.
Biden failed to turn over documents relevant to his income and was held in contempt of court, according to Fox.
After a court-ordered paternity test, Biden was found to be the child’s father.
There was also a legal dustup concerning how much Biden’s permanent monthly child support payment would be calculated.
The paternity and child support case in Arkansas furthers the mystery surrounding Biden’s ability to pay off the reported tax debt.
“A spokesman for D.C.’s Office of the Chief Financial Officer confirmed that Hunter Biden’s lien was released on July 15 after the ‘tax issue was resolved.’ The office declined to say whether Biden had paid off the debt,” The Free Beacon reported.
It is unclear what income, if any, Biden has at the moment, as his father seeks to unseat President Donald Trump in November.
Biden has been linked to a series of financial scandals.
After being hired by Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings in 2014, Biden was paid a salary of $83,333 a month, Fox reported.
The high salary was paid despite the former VP’s son holding a job as a non-executive “ceremonial figure.”
It was also said by three individuals close to Biden’s Burisma deal that he never visited Ukraine, despite the exorbitant salary, according to Reuters.
Biden was reportedly paid that salary from April 2014 until November 2015.
[Snip]
In Biden’s 2017 divorce, his former wife claimed he sent the family into financial ruin by spending money on “drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs and gifts for women with whom he had sexual relations.”
Kathleen Biden said the family was left with massive debts by Biden’s alleged activities, including tax debt, medical bills and credit cards that were maxed out.
This article appeared originally on The Western Journal.

Comment:
Hmm...., If it is any consolation, I don’t think Hunter is going to help him during the election.
Trump is going to highlight this early and often and frankly it does not take a rocket scientist to see that something is wrong with the Ukraine and China deals, but wait.... there is even more to come out.
The Biden’s played the same scheme in other Eastern European countries as well as Iraq where Biden’s brother landed a lucrative contract in an area where he had no expertise.
It would be a shame if Hunter put all those dollars up hi nose...
the question is where is that $1.4 billion dollar China deal money?
Hunter Biden was not hired to the Burisma board as a "ceremonial figure". He was hired to head Burisma's legal team.


BY MICHAEL SCHERER

JULY 7, 2014 10:39 PM EDT

When Vice President Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden, joined the board of a private Ukrainian oil and natural gas company this spring, he explained his new job as a legal one, disconnected from any effort to influence the Obama Administration. In a press release, the younger Biden boasted of his abilities on issues like improving corporate transparency.


And Burisma certainly had their share of legal troubles for Hunter Biden to solve for them. Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevskyi had fled the country to Moscow to avoid prosecution.

Joe Biden held back $1 billion in US treasury loan guarantees, which were needed to secure over $30 brillion in other loans to bail out Ukraine.

Biden certainly took care of Burisma's legal problems. He gave President Poroshenko and Prime Minister Yatsenyuk an ultimatum. Either fire the prosecutor general who is investigating Burisma, and replace him with a puppet, or Ukraine becomes financially insolvent.

That puppet was Biden's "solid", Yuriy Lutsenko, who had recently served prison time for corruption in office until his sentence was commuted after an appeal by Hunter Biden's fellow Burisma board member, Alexander Kwasniewski.
,

But there was a problem. Biden's corrupt puppet didn't have a law degree and had never practiced law. He never even went to law school, fer crissakes. And under Ukrainian law, the Prosecutor General was required to have a law degree and a minimum number of years experience as an attorney.

Facing Quid Pro Joe's threats, the Ukrainian parliament had no choice. In a special session, they actually changed the law that required the country's top attorney be an actual fucking real life attorney with a law degree and everything.

As much of scandal as that was, no matter how embarrassing and degrading it was, no matter how outraged the people were, the Ukrainian parliament had to do it. Joe Biden made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

It's horrible.
So they went with someone that had no training or experience in Ukrainian law???
We went with a president who had no prior training or even the slightest knowledge of the constitution -- so lets not pretend that experience and expertise is supposed to matter now...You trumpers take pride in hating expertise....
You're a full of shit delusional TDS afflicted moron.

DJT has tons of experience as a bold leader and top executive. He was the president of the Trump Organization since the 1970s.
No, he doesn't have tons of experience....

Which is why dic suckers like you have to continue making excuses for him......like I said before, you dumb asses remind me of the Bush followers -- matter of fact, I am willing to bet you were a bush follower....just too ashamed to admit it....

Just like you are too ashamed to admit you were deep throating Romney when he was the nominee and definitely was deep-throating McCain..so fuck all that bullshit you talking about now
He may not of had a lot of political experience, but he has done more for this country in his first two years than O'Blamer ever thought about doing.
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This is what "experience" will get you - incompetent garbage.
He has done what??

Right now, the message I see from the RNC is that America is in flames, a bloodbath in the streets, etc, etc -- what was it that Trump called it 4 years ago? oh yea, American carnage....

Yet Republicans keep leaving out the fact that Trump has been president for 4 years....why is he so much of a weak leader that things have gotten worse since he has been in office, not better...

And they damn sure have gotten worse since Republicans got obliterated during the 2018 midterms...
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.
 
Hunter Biden’s $450,000 Tax Debt Gets Suddenly ‘RESOLVED’ Despite Claiming NO Income


23 Aug 2020 ~~ By Jonathan Jones

A large tax debt owed to the government by the son of former Vice President Joe Biden has disappeared, according to a report.
Hunter Biden, who has faced scrutiny over allegedly profiting from businesses internationally using his father’s influence, recently told a court in his Arkansas paternity case that he was out of work and broke.
The Washington Free Beacon reported Saturday that despite the younger Biden’s reported personal and financial woes, he was able to resolve a six-figure tax debt in a short period of time.
“Hunter Biden was hit with a $450,000 lien in July over delinquent state income taxes, which he paid off in six days despite having no discernible income,” the Free Beacon’s Alana Goodman reported.
The ability to pay nearly half a million dollars in back taxes in less than a week seems to contradict statements from Biden to an Arkansas court that he could not afford to pay child support.
In January, Biden agreed to pay the mother of a child he fathered in Arkansas, despite not having a job, retroactive to November 2018, Fox News reported.
Biden failed to turn over documents relevant to his income and was held in contempt of court, according to Fox.
After a court-ordered paternity test, Biden was found to be the child’s father.
There was also a legal dustup concerning how much Biden’s permanent monthly child support payment would be calculated.
The paternity and child support case in Arkansas furthers the mystery surrounding Biden’s ability to pay off the reported tax debt.
“A spokesman for D.C.’s Office of the Chief Financial Officer confirmed that Hunter Biden’s lien was released on July 15 after the ‘tax issue was resolved.’ The office declined to say whether Biden had paid off the debt,” The Free Beacon reported.
It is unclear what income, if any, Biden has at the moment, as his father seeks to unseat President Donald Trump in November.
Biden has been linked to a series of financial scandals.
After being hired by Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings in 2014, Biden was paid a salary of $83,333 a month, Fox reported.
The high salary was paid despite the former VP’s son holding a job as a non-executive “ceremonial figure.”
It was also said by three individuals close to Biden’s Burisma deal that he never visited Ukraine, despite the exorbitant salary, according to Reuters.
Biden was reportedly paid that salary from April 2014 until November 2015.
[Snip]
In Biden’s 2017 divorce, his former wife claimed he sent the family into financial ruin by spending money on “drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs and gifts for women with whom he had sexual relations.”
Kathleen Biden said the family was left with massive debts by Biden’s alleged activities, including tax debt, medical bills and credit cards that were maxed out.
This article appeared originally on The Western Journal.

Comment:
Hmm...., If it is any consolation, I don’t think Hunter is going to help him during the election.
Trump is going to highlight this early and often and frankly it does not take a rocket scientist to see that something is wrong with the Ukraine and China deals, but wait.... there is even more to come out.
The Biden’s played the same scheme in other Eastern European countries as well as Iraq where Biden’s brother landed a lucrative contract in an area where he had no expertise.
It would be a shame if Hunter put all those dollars up hi nose...
the question is where is that $1.4 billion dollar China deal money?
Hunter Biden was not hired to the Burisma board as a "ceremonial figure". He was hired to head Burisma's legal team.


BY MICHAEL SCHERER

JULY 7, 2014 10:39 PM EDT

When Vice President Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden, joined the board of a private Ukrainian oil and natural gas company this spring, he explained his new job as a legal one, disconnected from any effort to influence the Obama Administration. In a press release, the younger Biden boasted of his abilities on issues like improving corporate transparency.


And Burisma certainly had their share of legal troubles for Hunter Biden to solve for them. Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevskyi had fled the country to Moscow to avoid prosecution.

Joe Biden held back $1 billion in US treasury loan guarantees, which were needed to secure over $30 brillion in other loans to bail out Ukraine.

Biden certainly took care of Burisma's legal problems. He gave President Poroshenko and Prime Minister Yatsenyuk an ultimatum. Either fire the prosecutor general who is investigating Burisma, and replace him with a puppet, or Ukraine becomes financially insolvent.

That puppet was Biden's "solid", Yuriy Lutsenko, who had recently served prison time for corruption in office until his sentence was commuted after an appeal by Hunter Biden's fellow Burisma board member, Alexander Kwasniewski.
,

But there was a problem. Biden's corrupt puppet didn't have a law degree and had never practiced law. He never even went to law school, fer crissakes. And under Ukrainian law, the Prosecutor General was required to have a law degree and a minimum number of years experience as an attorney.

Facing Quid Pro Joe's threats, the Ukrainian parliament had no choice. In a special session, they actually changed the law that required the country's top attorney be an actual fucking real life attorney with a law degree and everything.

As much of scandal as that was, no matter how embarrassing and degrading it was, no matter how outraged the people were, the Ukrainian parliament had to do it. Joe Biden made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

It's horrible.
So they went with someone that had no training or experience in Ukrainian law???
We went with a president who had no prior training or even the slightest knowledge of the constitution -- so lets not pretend that experience and expertise is supposed to matter now...You trumpers take pride in hating expertise....
You're a full of shit delusional TDS afflicted moron.

DJT has tons of experience as a bold leader and top executive. He was the president of the Trump Organization since the 1970s.
No, he doesn't have tons of experience....

Which is why dic suckers like you have to continue making excuses for him......like I said before, you dumb asses remind me of the Bush followers -- matter of fact, I am willing to bet you were a bush follower....just too ashamed to admit it....

Just like you are too ashamed to admit you were deep throating Romney when he was the nominee and definitely was deep-throating McCain..so fuck all that bullshit you talking about now
He may not of had a lot of political experience, but he has done more for this country in his first two years than O'Blamer ever thought about doing.
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This is what "experience" will get you - incompetent garbage.
He has done what??

Right now, the message I see from the RNC is that America is in flames, a bloodbath in the streets, etc, etc -- what was it that Trump called it 4 years ago? oh yea, American carnage....

Yet Republicans keep leaving out the fact that Trump has been president for 4 years....why is he so much of a weak leader that things have gotten worse since he has been in office, not better...

And they damn sure have gotten worse since Republicans got obliterated during the 2018 midterms...
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There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
 
Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
Grow up. Make an argument or find something better to do with your time.

So I should misquote you and address my strawman like you keep doing? That's good use of time?
If you think I misunderstood your post, correct me or be more clear. I can’t read minds.

If all you’re going to do is weasel away from bad arguments by whining about minor changes in language that have zero effect on the meaning, then you’re just acting like a child.
 
Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
Grow up. Make an argument or find something better to do with your time.

So I should misquote you and address my strawman like you keep doing? That's good use of time?
If you think I misunderstood your post, correct me or be more clear. I can’t read minds.

If all you’re going to do is weasel away from bad arguments by whining about minor changes in language that have zero effect on the meaning, then you’re just acting like a child.

You know what you're doing when you keep changing the words and misquoting me. Grow the hell up
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered. And I don't hate you -- I pity you. That's a world of difference.
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered.

That's what pan handlers always tell me. Give me money, give me money, give me money. I stop the car and they say they have a job and don't need my money.

Yeah, dude, you're constantly begging for money because you have a job and don't need money
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered.

That's what pan handlers always tell me. Give me money, give me money, give me money. I stop the car and they say they have a job and don't need my money.

Yeah, dude, you're constantly begging for money because you have a job and don't need money
LOLOL

You're kazzing again -- I never beg for money. I earn it from my employer.
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered.

That's what pan handlers always tell me. Give me money, give me money, give me money. I stop the car and they say they have a job and don't need my money.

Yeah, dude, you're constantly begging for money because you have a job and don't need money
LOLOL

You're kazzing again -- I never beg for money. I earn it from my employer.

You spend all day on message boards begging for handouts, Stewie
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered.

That's what pan handlers always tell me. Give me money, give me money, give me money. I stop the car and they say they have a job and don't need my money.

Yeah, dude, you're constantly begging for money because you have a job and don't need money
LOLOL

You're kazzing again -- I never beg for money. I earn it from my employer.

You spend all day on message boards begging for handouts, Stewie
^^^ kazzing

:abgg2q.jpg:
 
There's a ton of evidence!

Dozens of payments were made to Rosemont Seneca by Burisma, an entity known to use bribery. The bank records of every one of those payments is evidence!

Biden confessed in a live stream that he extorted Ukrainian officials into firing Shokin. That video is evidence!

Shokin testified under oath that he was fired because he wouldn't drop the criminal case against Burisma. The transcript of that deposition is evidence!

Payments for being a board of director is not evidence of illegal activity without further evidence.

Biden saying that Shokin being fired because he was corrupt is not evidence of illegal activity without further information.

Shokin is not a credible witness. Allegations have to come from credible sources to be used as evidence of illegal activity.

Strike out.

When Biden is responsible for the Ukraine relationship and Ukraine is paying his son millions of dollars, that is clear conflict of interest. Obviously you have no business or management experience if you don't know that
Dumbfuck, who denied it was a conflict of interest?

You're one angry little guy
LOL

Translation from kaz-to-English: no one denied it was a conflict of interest.

Of course Democrats deny it's a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest would be investigated.

Do you ever NOT rage post?

Conflicts of interest laws don’t apply to Presidents and Vice Presidents. It’s the only reason Trump can actually be president and maintain ownership of his business.

Swing and a miss.

Suddenly you only care about technical violations of the law.

That while you don't care that Trump has fourth amendment rights and you support Democrats being able to subpoena his taxes just to see what's in them and you don't care there is no law requiring disclosure of his taxes. For Democrats, not a violation of the law and you're fine with it. Corruption doesn't matter. With Trump, you don't care if he violates the law at all, he's corrupt!

Such a constant suck ass hypocrite you are

No one is subpoenaing Trump’s tax records for claims of conflict of interest, they’re being subpoenaed because there is credible evidence of violations of law. The AG of New York has followed every rule and then some and the subpoenas have been upheld at nearly every turn because Trump has no legitimate cause to stop them.

This isn’t hypocrisy, this is you not knowing what the hell youre talking about or, more likely, dishonestly conflating two unrelated issues because you don’t have a rational argument to make.

That's such a lame misrepresentation of everything I said and everything going on I have no interest in unwinding it. Pass

Yeah, sure. You’re always so “misunderstood”.

The reality is that you just make idiotic arguments and then try to weasel away from them after being called out on it.

If you had any evidence of actual corruption, it could be investigated. But there is precisely zero evidence connecting Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma with any effect on US government policy.

I'm not misunderstood, you're twisting words. Which you just did again. Grow up, this is tired

Your constant childish whining about non-issues like the difference between “same” and “similar” is what is really tired.

You don’t make arguments. You throw tantrums.
And then projects that onto others.

Just more of your need to be propped up, huh Stewie?
Nope, just pointing out how some folks view you.

Funny how when you're talking about Republicans you say that and when you're talking about Democrats you say things like "some folks," Stewie.

Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
LOL

Moron, I have a job and I pay my own bills. Is that really the best shot you can take?? Pathetic.

And I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans in that post. I have no idea how the vast majority of folks here are registered.

That's what pan handlers always tell me. Give me money, give me money, give me money. I stop the car and they say they have a job and don't need my money.

Yeah, dude, you're constantly begging for money because you have a job and don't need money
LOLOL

You're kazzing again -- I never beg for money. I earn it from my employer.

You spend all day on message boards begging for handouts, Stewie
^^^ kazzing

:abgg2q.jpg:

^^^ eternal eight year old
 
Of course you hate me, I am telling you to get a job and pay your own bills
Grow up. Make an argument or find something better to do with your time.

So I should misquote you and address my strawman like you keep doing? That's good use of time?
If you think I misunderstood your post, correct me or be more clear. I can’t read minds.

If all you’re going to do is weasel away from bad arguments by whining about minor changes in language that have zero effect on the meaning, then you’re just acting like a child.

You know what you're doing when you keep changing the words and misquoting me. Grow the hell up

I’ve not mischaracterizing anything. You just are looking for an excuse to avoid discussing the topic.
 

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