iceberg
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since I'm after "finality" then I go back to it as a reference and "unfinished".I see it as the opposite. You keep bringing up the same “personal hypocrisy” thing over and over again while I’m trying to move on and address the topic at hand and engage the substance. This side track we are having right now showcases my case in point.mostly because I've found engaging with you pointless.Sorry Ice but you don’t pass the purity test as you’ve just laid out. How do I know this? Easy, because it is pretty predictable which side of each issue you are going to come down on. You more often than not defend arguments supporting the Right and are more critical of the Left. And that’s fine. That’s good. Because you are also open minded and able to call things out on both sides. That’s why I used to enjoy engaging with you. I like to think I’m the same way. Yes I lean Left and am very critical of Trump who I see as a con man, but I enjoy having my positions challenged and facts brought to the table. I’ve conceded arguments to many posters and thanked them for the debate. You used to be one of these people.and this becomes my point -I don’t support Trump. I think he is a shitty leader. I think he is an embarrassment. Of course I’m going to be more critical of him. I’d love to see him voted out of office next election. I’ve never claimed otherwise. That doesn’t mean I’m lying or being dishonest. I’ll give any topic a fair look and discussion.... but of course I’m going to be extra critical of those who I oppose. That’s human nature. I’d be shocked if you claimed you were any different.Just sain I ain't the only one who notices. Trump gets zero benefit of doubt, people you like, ll you need to give them.
Now we’ve had this conversation a dozen times now. You like to bring it up every time you chime into a thread I’m engaged in and it derails the conversation. Can we end this sidetrack now? I’m almost convinced you’re just trolling me but I’m giving it one last shot with this post to lay it all out and then close the door on it. Is there more you’d like to say about it?
when you like someone, you give them every benefit of doubt. - ie our hillary discussions. it was all "it could have been private mail, you don't know!"
all well and good but ANYONE deleting requested materials or going through the motions she did to hide those is hiding something. you went with excuse #1 and didn't hold her to any standard you'd hold a stranger to.
trump says something on a phone call, WHAM. he's guilty.
the huge difference between us it would seem is i don't care if i like someone or not, i'm going to make every effort to judge by the same set of standards. you start to get mad because yes, i do bulldog and force the issue. it makes zero sense to me to look the other way on things for people you like and in essence, make up shit and take big reaches to connect the dots you have shown time and again you won't allow done to people you like.
that - in my book - is classic hypocrisy.
will i want to give people i like the benefit of doubt and refuse to do that on people i hate? you're right that it *is* human nature, but if you call *me* on it i'm going to ask, am i? am i using 2 different sets of standards? it's a given i don't like hillary but if she was accused of something i'm not going to assume it's true just because i hate her.
look around these days - how many people make shit up on a constant basis just to satisfy their emotional needs? should i believe them then? no. i don't. i wouldn't instantly believe something bad about hillary regardless of the circumstances. when they were blamed for child porn out of the pizza place (or whatever food place it was) i called bullshit til more evidence can be brought in. those are heavy charges to lob and should not be done lightly nor believed "willy nilly".
bill clinton to pedofile island - well sure. he made a lot of trips he denies and there was that painting of him in the blue dress that freaked me out but that was epstein. i doubt bill posted for it. so until we have some ladies come forward and describe williams johnson in court, i'm not going to dive into pedo-talk and accuse him because i don't like him.
but as you confess, you will be more critical and hold people you don't like to a higher standard. then go "we all do it".
no, slade. we do not. esp if called on it. when i call you on it, you dig in and i bulldog a whole lot harder and it pisses you off.
so when you see any potential future discussions of ours go off course, it's likely because you won't even try to find some middle / common ground and allow people you like to get away with things i never would.
if my brother deleted info on his hard drive cause the police said they wanted it, i'd call a party foul because the action is wrong regardless of who does it or why. you are fine with "oh she said it was personal and hey, the corrupt FBI cleared her".
but people you don't like you forgo all that and we go straight to attack. not verification.
The problem I’ve had with you lately is you don’t engage anymore. You take most recent conversations to the “hypocrisy” argument, which really doesn’t prove a damn thing. It simply derails the debate, distracts from the points being made, and takes things to a personal level which is unnecessary.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter how I feel, or who I give the benefit of the doubt to or if I’m a hypocrite or not. I’m either making valid points or I’m not. If I’m not then my argument can be beaten through simple debate. I can easily switch my position and argue Trumps side and go against my “personal feelings”, because how I feel really doesn’t matter.
I just want to get back to debating issues. I’m at the end of my rope with you playing the personal hypocrisy game every time there’s a debate going on. This is my last attempt to lay it all out and nip it in the bud because I once had respect for you and genuinely enjoyed our debates. You were my favorite poster on this board for a spell. Ever since the Clinton discussion you've carried a chip on your shoulder. I’ve tried making peace many times but you continue to bring it up and don’t seem able to let it go.
If you just can’t let it go then please do us both a favor and block me or don’t engage. I’d prefer to go back to our old way of debating and hope you can make the change. This is the last time I’m going off topic to discuss my personal hypocrisy. Beat my arguments on their face or share your point of view but if you need to go personal then please don’t engage. It’s old and I’m done.
I try to come to a finality.
you, by your own words, enjoy the back and forth.
We are in it for different reasons. I want to come to an agreememt and you want to talk til the world ends.
I do agree that engaging with me like this is pointless and that why I said that this is the last conversation of this sort I’m going to have with you.
if you take issue, agree with, disagree with or care to share your perspective about the discussion that we were having in this thread regarding the Biden situation then please feel free. If you don’t see the point in engaging with me about it then don’t reply. It’s pretty simple.
but fine. have a day.
