Hub City Progressive

[Big Black Dog]

Welcome... When you said Hub City, I thought you were talking about Rochelle, Illinois.

 

[asaratis]

Hey, what's up!

I am a progressive living in Texas. So, I am kind of used to being in the minority in discussions. I say I am a progressive, because that is my primary political identification. For now, that tends to put me with the Democrats; but I do not believe everything they are doing is progressive, and I will state as so.

I used to be a Republican up until 2003 and I left because I did not agree with the basis of the Iraq War, but mainly because of philosophical differences on a variety of social conservative issues in my hometown (all politics is local, right?). I considered myself an Independant until I registered with the Texas Democratic Party in 2006; and rode the wave of anti-Bush sentiment into control of Congress. The main thing is that I knew what I was against; but I didn't really know what I was for. Upon further discussion, I began to self-reflect and realize what principles I truly lived by, and it basically can be summed up in the following statement:

"Basically, there are two principles I live by. “No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care,” and “no one can manipulate or offend you without your permission.” In a nutshell, I believe that when we realize we are personally responsible for our circumstances and refuse to define ourselves according to the whims and desires of others; it is then that we truly gain control of our own lives. We all try to manipulate others to an extent. It is not necessarily a bad thing in that it is a natural survival instinct, a form of self-preservation, to find leverage in life. What separates us from our counterparts in the animal kingdom is our ability to take initiative and choose the more courageous choice of stepping back and being straight with each other. We can assert what we want and need, yet respect that others are not responsible for our welfare. When we realize that the show of good will towards another is a privilege and not something that we are entitled to; then we truly experience what it means to be free!"

So, here today I stand as a proud Texas Progressive Democrat. I join the tradition that includes such names as Sam Houston, John Nance Garner, Lyndon Johnson, Lloyd Bentsen, Ann Richards, and others. We are a wild and unpredictable bunch. Houston was forced to resign as Governor of Texas because he refused to take the oath to the Confederacy. Garner, after serving two terms as Vice-President under Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930's, attempted to defeat FDR's unprecedented third presidential nomination in 1940 because he believed it was not right, and over their disagreements about some New Deal legislation and other philosophical differences. Lyndon Johnson pushed for Civil Rights legislation that was originally introduced by John Kennedy even though most in his party, especially the south, were against it. Basically, here in Texas, we don't always tow party lines here. In some ways, we create them.

So, the best advice I can give you in dealing with me is to not judge a book by its cover. I am more than a letter next to my name. I don't subscribe to the belief that only one side of the aisle has all the answers; and I certainly do not hold the position that because someone disagrees with me that they lack intelligence, are morally deficient, are evil, or simply hate America. I will listen to what you have to say; and if your ideas have merit, I will state so whether you are a Democrat or not. So, don't assume you know where I stand; and don't assume that you can define me. I will be straight with you. You have my word. Integrity is important; and the lessons I have learned in the past, most because of my own bad judgment, have certainly taught me that it is important for folks to say what they mean and mean what they say.

Thank you!

Arch, the Hub City Progressive

Ann Richards is onna my heroines, and I think LBJ is a highly underrated president.

Welcome to USMB, Archangelwolf!

BS! LBJ was a dud. His "civil rights" efforts were for buying votes. I believe there's a quote credited to him that puts that fact in no uncertain terms.

The Democrats stymied the civil rights efforts of the Republicans for years. Democrats like to have some token black supporters in their midst but tend not to appoint nearly as many minorities to high positions as Republicans do.

Screw Lyndon Johnson!


Welcome to USMB!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey, what's up!

I am a progressive living in Texas. So, I am kind of used to being in the minority in discussions. I say I am a progressive, because that is my primary political identification. For now, that tends to put me with the Democrats; but I do not believe everything they are doing is progressive, and I will state as so.

I used to be a Republican up until 2003 and I left because I did not agree with the basis of the Iraq War, but mainly because of philosophical differences on a variety of social conservative issues in my hometown (all politics is local, right?). I considered myself an Independant until I registered with the Texas Democratic Party in 2006; and rode the wave of anti-Bush sentiment into control of Congress. The main thing is that I knew what I was against; but I didn't really know what I was for. Upon further discussion, I began to self-reflect and realize what principles I truly lived by, and it basically can be summed up in the following statement:

"Basically, there are two principles I live by. “No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care,” and “no one can manipulate or offend you without your permission.” In a nutshell, I believe that when we realize we are personally responsible for our circumstances and refuse to define ourselves according to the whims and desires of others; it is then that we truly gain control of our own lives. We all try to manipulate others to an extent. It is not necessarily a bad thing in that it is a natural survival instinct, a form of self-preservation, to find leverage in life. What separates us from our counterparts in the animal kingdom is our ability to take initiative and choose the more courageous choice of stepping back and being straight with each other. We can assert what we want and need, yet respect that others are not responsible for our welfare. When we realize that the show of good will towards another is a privilege and not something that we are entitled to; then we truly experience what it means to be free!"

So, here today I stand as a proud Texas Progressive Democrat. I join the tradition that includes such names as Sam Houston, John Nance Garner, Lyndon Johnson, Lloyd Bentsen, Ann Richards, and others. We are a wild and unpredictable bunch. Houston was forced to resign as Governor of Texas because he refused to take the oath to the Confederacy. Garner, after serving two terms as Vice-President under Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930's, attempted to defeat FDR's unprecedented third presidential nomination in 1940 because he believed it was not right, and over their disagreements about some New Deal legislation and other philosophical differences. Lyndon Johnson pushed for Civil Rights legislation that was originally introduced by John Kennedy even though most in his party, especially the south, were against it. Basically, here in Texas, we don't always tow party lines here. In some ways, we create them.

So, the best advice I can give you in dealing with me is to not judge a book by its cover. I am more than a letter next to my name. I don't subscribe to the belief that only one side of the aisle has all the answers; and I certainly do not hold the position that because someone disagrees with me that they lack intelligence, are morally deficient, are evil, or simply hate America. I will listen to what you have to say; and if your ideas have merit, I will state so whether you are a Democrat or not. So, don't assume you know where I stand; and don't assume that you can define me. I will be straight with you. You have my word. Integrity is important; and the lessons I have learned in the past, most because of my own bad judgment, have certainly taught me that it is important for folks to say what they mean and mean what they say.

Thank you!

Arch, the Hub City Progressive

Ann Richards is onna my heroines, and I think LBJ is a highly underrated president.

Welcome to USMB, Archangelwolf!

BS! LBJ was a dud. His "civil rights" efforts were for buying votes. I believe there's a quote credited to him that puts that fact in no uncertain terms.

The Democrats stymied the civil rights efforts of the Republicans for years. Democrats like to have some token black supporters in their midst but tend not to appoint nearly as many minorities to high positions as Republicans do.

Screw Lyndon Johnson!


Welcome to USMB!

Could this be the LBJ quote you have in mind?

His racial attitudes are suggested by his biographer, Robert Dallek, who quotes him defending the Supreme Court appointment of the very well-known Thurgood Marshall, rather than a black judge less identified with the civil rights cause, by saying to a staff member, "Son, when I appoint a ****** to the court, I want everyone to know he's a ******." On the Way With L.B.J. - NYTimes.com

 

[Archangelwolf]

Let's be clear here. LBJ was a southern Texas Senator, and one of the best! Until his presidency, he was highly regarded here in Texas. Don't believe me! Look at his re-election numbers. He, and Sam Rayburn, were two hot commodities in the US Senate. That is why he was a contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1960. Hello?

LBJ was good at making deals and getting things done. You know, something everybody is suddenly up in arms about. (Funny that Mitch McConnell is trying to kill the earmarks reform attempts; but I digress.)

Yes, tis true that the Democrats, namely the Dixiecrat South, was a major roadblock regarding civil rights. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a registered Republican, as were most blacks. Thus, the reason the GOP was referred to as the party of Lincoln.

In 1964, with the signing of the Civil Rights Act, the south went solidly Republican. Coincidence? Don't insult my intelligence! It started a snowball effect, with the opposition to Medicare and Medicaid a few years later. (btw, still waiting for the Republicans to repeal those, too! I mean, its only been about 40 years. LOL!)

There are good Republicans. Hell, I used to be one. I still like Colin Powell, Lindsey Graham, and even Rudi Guliani to an extent. But the rest, like Palin, Gingrich, etc.? How the mighty have fallen.

I must confess. I want a two-party system in America. One party ruling everything breeds of corruption. I want a strong Republican Party with good arguments on issues, like Nelson Rockefeller and Ron Paul. Those guys do you credit. But those are the type of guys that you boo off the stage (see Ron Paul, 2008 Primaries).

Not all Republicans and Fox News viewers are racists; but if you are racist, you probably watch Fox News and are a Republican.

 

[Ringel05]

I like the way you put probably in the (highlighted) statement. Machiavelli or Goebbels?

Let's be clear here. LBJ was a southern Texas Senator, and one of the best! Until his presidency, he was highly regarded here in Texas. Don't believe me! Look at his re-election numbers. He, and Sam Rayburn, were two hot commodities in the US Senate. That is why he was a contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1960. Hello?

LBJ was good at making deals and getting things done. You know, something everybody is suddenly up in arms about. (Funny that Mitch McConnell is trying to kill the earmarks reform attempts; but I digress.)

Yes, tis true that the Democrats, namely the Dixiecrat South, was a major roadblock regarding civil rights. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a registered Republican, as were most blacks. Thus, the reason the GOP was referred to as the party of Lincoln.

In 1964, with the signing of the Civil Rights Act, the south went solidly Republican. Coincidence? Don't insult my intelligence! It started a snowball effect, with the opposition to Medicare and Medicaid a few years later. (btw, still waiting for the Republicans to repeal those, too! I mean, its only been about 40 years. LOL!)

There are good Republicans. Hell, I used to be one. I still like Colin Powell, Lindsey Graham, and even Rudi Guliani to an extent. But the rest, like Palin, Gingrich, etc.? How the mighty have fallen.

I must confess. I want a two-party system in America. One party ruling everything breeds of corruption. I want a strong Republican Party with good arguments on issues, like Nelson Rockefeller and Ron Paul. Those guys do you credit. But those are the type of guys that you boo off the stage (see Ron Paul, 2008 Primaries).

Not all Republicans and Fox News viewers are racists; but if you are racist, you probably watch Fox News and are a Republican.

 

[Big Fitz]

Welcome to the fray.

Remember to wear your helmet (not tinfoil hat) and have a thick skin cause we play rough here.

 

[editec]

It is a mistake, I think, to label yourself.

You believe what you believe.

The moment you allow yourself to be labeled, then the idiots can start dumping a load of bullocks onto what that label means and demanding that you defend their nonsensical blather about what they think such a label means.


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[Intense]

I'm surprised you know that quote, Mr. Fitnah. (You mangeled it though, it's actually: "When fascism come to America, it will come wrapped in a flag and waving a cross.").

Can you explain what it means?

Its meaning is a warning, hijacked by liberals and progressives originally to warn against the progressive movement and social justice types illustrated by Sinclar with New religion \boosterism being the source acceptance justice conformity and compliance .

In the real world we have progressives
working in the name of the children, social justice and the environment ala Elmer Gantry archetype ,to save the Good Ol USA from the evils of what ever traditional values that are left.

Because those traditional values are not the foundation of the country, but the real threat to the future.

Didn't you know the founding fathers were sssssslaaaavvvvve owners?

Somehow foreshadowing the demagoguery of Father Coughlin .

Or it is vision blurred by the haze of Lewis's alcoholism that missed its mark.
In any case,
fascim always comes from the left.

Not the left/ right seating of parliament,that has has no real meaning except in the world of political gotcha-ism .
The left in the world of the founders spectrum of government

I copying the quote from our newest progressives sig line .
Ididnt misquote Lewis ,I quoted Twatwaddlewolf.

Ever read "Elmer Gantry", Mr. Fitnah?

"How to acquire power by banging on the bible and pandering to people's fears in 10 easy lessons."

When is the last time a "lefty" relied on such tactics, again? Never?

Never? If you exclude Global Warming? If you exclude Republican's throwing old people into the streets. You would still be wrong.

 

[Archangelwolf]

Thanks for the warning, editec. This is not my first rodeo, though. I have been debating politics for quite awhile now. I am more a progressive than a Democrat. That is just where the progressives are most supported at the moment. Kind of like Ron Paul with the Republicans.

 

[Madeline]

Its meaning is a warning, hijacked by liberals and progressives originally to warn against the progressive movement and social justice types illustrated by Sinclar with New religion \boosterism being the source acceptance justice conformity and compliance .

In the real world we have progressives
working in the name of the children, social justice and the environment ala Elmer Gantry archetype ,to save the Good Ol USA from the evils of what ever traditional values that are left.

Because those traditional values are not the foundation of the country, but the real threat to the future.

Didn't you know the founding fathers were sssssslaaaavvvvve owners?

Somehow foreshadowing the demagoguery of Father Coughlin .

Or it is vision blurred by the haze of Lewis's alcoholism that missed its mark.
In any case,
fascim always comes from the left.

Not the left/ right seating of parliament,that has has no real meaning except in the world of political gotcha-ism .
The left in the world of the founders spectrum of government

I copying the quote from our newest progressives sig line .
Ididnt misquote Lewis ,I quoted Twatwaddlewolf.

Ever read "Elmer Gantry", Mr. Fitnah?

"How to acquire power by banging on the bible and pandering to people's fears in 10 easy lessons."

When is the last time a "lefty" relied on such tactics, again? Never?

Never? If you exclude Global Warming? If you exclude Republican's throwing old people into the streets. You would still be wrong.

What has Global Warming to do with banging on the bible, Intense?

 

[Si modo]

Ever read "Elmer Gantry", Mr. Fitnah?

"How to acquire power by banging on the bible and pandering to people's fears in 10 easy lessons."

When is the last time a "lefty" relied on such tactics, again? Never?

Never? If you exclude Global Warming? If you exclude Republican's throwing old people into the streets. You would still be wrong.

What has Global Warming to do with banging on the bible, Intense?

Whoooosh.

Damn, you are nuts and/or dense.

 

[Big Fitz]

When is the last time a "lefty" relied on such tactics, again? Never?

It's about fear mongering regardless of tools.

- Global Warming
- Black Churches burning if you voted against Clinton
- Taking social security away
- Threatening cuts to police and fire departments to balance budgets and playing up potential disaster
- If we don't nationalize industry, the economy will collapse
- If we don't reform healthcare you will die.
- If we don't pass food modernization, you will be poisoned
- If we don't shut down fox news we will become a fascist police state.


These are all just off the top of my head and relatively recent. It is a tool of scoundrels of all political stripes.

 

[healthphreak]

No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care,” and “no one can manipulate or offend you without your permission.

I think those are great principles to live by. Welcome