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Anyone know anything about HR 45Blair Holt firearm Liscensing and record Sales Act. Sound pretty bad.

 

[WillowTree]

Anyone know anything about HR 45Blair Holt firearm Liscensing and record Sales Act. Sound pretty bad.

well dang! son, yer supposed to post a link so's we can read it!

 

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* It will be “unlawful” to own a firearm without a license.
* Be required to submit a picture and thumbprint.
* Provide certification that the firearms are properly stored.
* Pass a written firearms exam which tests a persons knowledge of the safe storage of firearms in the presence of children, safe handling of firearms, risks associated with firearms, legal responsibilities of a firearm owner, and anything else the Attorney General deems fit.
* A release of any mental health records.
* Makes private sales illegal.
* Establishes a Federal Record of Sale system which records make, model, serial number, license of the transferee and name and address of the transferor.
* Provides for inspection of your home (fourth amendment violation)
* Reporting of lost or stolen firearms
* Notice of change of address
* Numerous other fun nuggets.

I find it particularly repugnant that the title of the bill refers to Blair Holt. Blair Holt was a young man who was fatally shot while trying to defend some passengers on a bus from being shot by a 16 year old gang-banger. The fact that the shooter was a 16 year old gang member who could not possibly legally own a firearm does not stop Congressman Bobby Rush from using it to add an emotional aspect to the legislation. There are certainly no logical reasons for a bill like this to be passed. Perhaps if one of the passengers on the bus had been armed with a legal firearm the whole tragedy could have been averted.

A large part of the bill has to do with licensing and registration. The Federal government is always trying to add more paperwork to legal gun ownership. I am sure there will be fees involved with all this, making it another source of revenue for the government.

HR45 – More feel good gun control legislation sponsored by the Democrats :: The Mind of Tefft
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Never happen.

 

[WillowTree]

* It will be “unlawful” to own a firearm without a license.
* Be required to submit a picture and thumbprint.
* Provide certification that the firearms are properly stored.
* Pass a written firearms exam which tests a persons knowledge of the safe storage of firearms in the presence of children, safe handling of firearms, risks associated with firearms, legal responsibilities of a firearm owner, and anything else the Attorney General deems fit.
* A release of any mental health records.
* Makes private sales illegal.
* Establishes a Federal Record of Sale system which records make, model, serial number, license of the transferee and name and address of the transferor.
* Provides for inspection of your home (fourth amendment violation)
* Reporting of lost or stolen firearms
* Notice of change of address
* Numerous other fun nuggets.

I find it particularly repugnant that the title of the bill refers to Blair Holt. Blair Holt was a young man who was fatally shot while trying to defend some passengers on a bus from being shot by a 16 year old gang-banger. The fact that the shooter was a 16 year old gang member who could not possibly legally own a firearm does not stop Congressman Bobby Rush from using it to add an emotional aspect to the legislation. There are certainly no logical reasons for a bill like this to be passed. Perhaps if one of the passengers on the bus had been armed with a legal firearm the whole tragedy could have been averted.

A large part of the bill has to do with licensing and registration. The Federal government is always trying to add more paperwork to legal gun ownership. I am sure there will be fees involved with all this, making it another source of revenue for the government.

HR45 – More feel good gun control legislation sponsored by the Democrats :: The Mind of Tefft
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Never happen.

never say never.. we are living under one party rule run by a bunch of DUmmies who abort babies, want strict gun control, don't give a fig if all of us die by the hand of terrorists.and want to legalize drugs,,. well,, you know the drill..

 

[Burp]

I can see them do it to everything but handguns. It would be a logistical nightmare to do it to EVERY gun.

 

[WillowTree]

hells bells it is designed to punish us law abiding hard working tax paying Americans,, course we all know the criminals will thumb their noses at el DUmmie in charge..

 

[Burp]

hells bells it is designed to punish us law abiding hard working tax paying Americans,, course we all know the criminals will thumb their noses at el DUmmie in charge..

Which is one of the main reasons they won't do it. It's not going to change the bad guys from getting guns.

This is like the "serial number stamping" of ammo plan.

Anything to make it more difficult for us to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[WillowTree]

hells bells it is designed to punish us law abiding hard working tax paying Americans,, course we all know the criminals will thumb their noses at el DUmmie in charge..

Which is one of the main reasons they won't do it. It's not going to change the bad guys from getting guns.

This is like the "serial number stamping" of ammo plan.

Anything to make it more difficult for us to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights.

well shoot,, if they would just let us keep our guns so we can off ourselves then they won't have to feel guilty about letting the terrorists annihilate us.

 

[Chris]

There are 200 million guns in private hands in this country.

This is never going to happen.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

There are 200 million guns in private hands in this country.

This is never going to happen.

That is exactly what the Framers intended.

 

[Chris]

There are 200 million guns in private hands in this country.

This is never going to happen.

That is exactly what the Framers intended.

The Framers owned slaves.

 

[KittenKoder]

Hmm ... another nanny movement? It looks like they are trying to make gun owners responsible for the criminals ... it's just stupid and will likely result in more gun owners just not caring about registering at all.

 

[Chris]

Hmm ... another nanny movement? It looks like they are trying to make gun owners responsible for the criminals ... it's just stupid and will likely result in more gun owners just not caring about registering at all.

Criminals get their guns by stealing them from gun owners, so gun owners are responsible for a lot of criminals with guns.

But studies show that local background checks are the most effective form of gun control. The federal background checks are not as effective as local ones.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

There are 200 million guns in private hands in this country.

This is never going to happen.

That is exactly what the Framers intended.

The Framers owned slaves.

Some of them. They all owned guns.

 

[Chris]

While gun supporters use the nation's gun-toting history in defense of their way of life, and revolutionary enthusiasts replay skirmishes on historic battlefields, it now turns out that America has not always had a gun culture, and wide-scale gun ownership is much newer than we think. After a 10-year search for "a world that isn't there," professor and scholar Michael Bellesiles discovered that Americans not only rarely owned guns prior to the Civil War, they wouldn't even take them for free from a government that wanted to arm its reluctant public. No sharpshooters, no gun in every home, no children learning to hunt beside their fathers. Bellesiles--whose research methods have generated a great deal of controversy and even a subsequent investigation by Emory University--searched legal, probate, military, and business records; fiction and personal letters; hunting magazines; and legislation in his quest for the legendary gun-wielding frontiersman, only to discover that he is a myth. There are other revelations: gun ownership and storage was strictly legislated in colonial days, and frivolous shooting of a musket was backed by the death penalty; men rarely died in duels because the guns were far too inaccurate (duels were about honor, not murder); pioneers didn't hunt (they trapped and farmed); frontier folk loved books, not guns; and the militia never won a war (it was too inept). In fact, prior to the Civil War, when mass production of higher quality guns became a reality, the republic's greatest problem was a dearth of guns, and a public that was too peaceable to care about civil defense. As Bellesiles writes, "Probably the major reason why the American Revolution lasted eight years, longer than any war in American history before Vietnam, was that when that brave patriot reached above the mantel, he pulled down a rusty, decaying, unusable musket (not a rifle), or found no gun there at all." Strangely, the eagle-eye frontiersman was created by East Coast fiction writers, while the idea of a gun as a household necessity was an advertising ploy of gun maker Samuel Colt (both just prior to the Civil War). The former group fabricated a historic and heroic past while Colt preyed on overblown fears of Indians and blacks.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375402101/theindepeende-20]Amazon.com: Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture: Michael Bellesiles: Books[/ame]

 

[eots]

There are 200 million guns in private hands in this country.

This is never going to happen.

if its not going to happen it wont be because of people sitting idle and saying it will never happen

 

[CrimsonWhite]

While gun supporters use the nation's gun-toting history in defense of their way of life, and revolutionary enthusiasts replay skirmishes on historic battlefields, it now turns out that America has not always had a gun culture, and wide-scale gun ownership is much newer than we think. After a 10-year search for "a world that isn't there," professor and scholar Michael Bellesiles discovered that Americans not only rarely owned guns prior to the Civil War, they wouldn't even take them for free from a government that wanted to arm its reluctant public. No sharpshooters, no gun in every home, no children learning to hunt beside their fathers. Bellesiles--whose research methods have generated a great deal of controversy and even a subsequent investigation by Emory University--searched legal, probate, military, and business records; fiction and personal letters; hunting magazines; and legislation in his quest for the legendary gun-wielding frontiersman, only to discover that he is a myth. There are other revelations: gun ownership and storage was strictly legislated in colonial days, and frivolous shooting of a musket was backed by the death penalty; men rarely died in duels because the guns were far too inaccurate (duels were about honor, not murder); pioneers didn't hunt (they trapped and farmed); frontier folk loved books, not guns; and the militia never won a war (it was too inept). In fact, prior to the Civil War, when mass production of higher quality guns became a reality, the republic's greatest problem was a dearth of guns, and a public that was too peaceable to care about civil defense. As Bellesiles writes, "Probably the major reason why the American Revolution lasted eight years, longer than any war in American history before Vietnam, was that when that brave patriot reached above the mantel, he pulled down a rusty, decaying, unusable musket (not a rifle), or found no gun there at all." Strangely, the eagle-eye frontiersman was created by East Coast fiction writers, while the idea of a gun as a household necessity was an advertising ploy of gun maker Samuel Colt (both just prior to the Civil War). The former group fabricated a historic and heroic past while Colt preyed on overblown fears of Indians and blacks.

Amazon.com: Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture: Michael Bellesiles: Books

You are a douchebag. It is in the fucking Constitution dumbass.

 

[eots]

While gun supporters use the nation's gun-toting history in defense of their way of life, and revolutionary enthusiasts replay skirmishes on historic battlefields, it now turns out that America has not always had a gun culture, and wide-scale gun ownership is much newer than we think. After a 10-year search for "a world that isn't there," professor and scholar Michael Bellesiles discovered that Americans not only rarely owned guns prior to the Civil War, they wouldn't even take them for free from a government that wanted to arm its reluctant public. No sharpshooters, no gun in every home, no children learning to hunt beside their fathers. Bellesiles--whose research methods have generated a great deal of controversy and even a subsequent investigation by Emory University--searched legal, probate, military, and business records; fiction and personal letters; hunting magazines; and legislation in his quest for the legendary gun-wielding frontiersman, only to discover that he is a myth. There are other revelations: gun ownership and storage was strictly legislated in colonial days, and frivolous shooting of a musket was backed by the death penalty; men rarely died in duels because the guns were far too inaccurate (duels were about honor, not murder); pioneers didn't hunt (they trapped and farmed); frontier folk loved books, not guns; and the militia never won a war (it was too inept). In fact, prior to the Civil War, when mass production of higher quality guns became a reality, the republic's greatest problem was a dearth of guns, and a public that was too peaceable to care about civil defense. As Bellesiles writes, "Probably the major reason why the American Revolution lasted eight years, longer than any war in American history before Vietnam, was that when that brave patriot reached above the mantel, he pulled down a rusty, decaying, unusable musket (not a rifle), or found no gun there at all." Strangely, the eagle-eye frontiersman was created by East Coast fiction writers, while the idea of a gun as a household necessity was an advertising ploy of gun maker Samuel Colt (both just prior to the Civil War). The former group fabricated a historic and heroic past while Colt preyed on overblown fears of Indians and blacks.

Amazon.com: Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture: Michael Bellesiles: Books

You are a douchebag. It is the fucking constitution dumbass.

the constution is so... 1787...this is a time for change..a new world order


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H.R.45
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)

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Beginning
January 6, 2009

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
TITLE I--LICENSING

SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.
SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.
SEC. 105. REVOCATION OF LICENSE.
TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.
SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.
TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 302. FAILURE TO MAINTAIN OR PERMIT INSPECTION OF RECORDS.
SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.
SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.
SEC. 305. CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION.
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

SEC. 401. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
SEC. 404. ORDERS.
SEC. 405. INJUNCTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

SEC. 501. DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
TITLE VI--EFFECT ON STATE LAW

SEC. 601. EFFECT ON STATE LAW.
SEC. 602. CERTIFICATION OF STATE FIREARM LICENSING SYSTEMS AND STATE FIREARM RECORD OF SALE SYSTEMS.
TITLE VII--RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

SEC. 701. SUBORDINATION TO ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.
TITLE VIII--INAPPLICABILITY

SEC. 801. INAPPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES.
TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.

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H.R.45
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)

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Beginning
January 6, 2009

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
TITLE I--LICENSING

SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.
SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.
SEC. 105. REVOCATION OF LICENSE.
TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.
SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.
TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
SEC. 302. FAILURE TO MAINTAIN OR PERMIT INSPECTION OF RECORDS.
SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.
SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.
SEC. 305. CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION.
TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

SEC. 401. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
SEC. 404. ORDERS.
SEC. 405. INJUNCTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

SEC. 501. DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
TITLE VI--EFFECT ON STATE LAW

SEC. 601. EFFECT ON STATE LAW.
SEC. 602. CERTIFICATION OF STATE FIREARM LICENSING SYSTEMS AND STATE FIREARM RECORD OF SALE SYSTEMS.
TITLE VII--RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

SEC. 701. SUBORDINATION TO ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.
TITLE VIII--INAPPLICABILITY

SEC. 801. INAPPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES.
TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.

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can't believe in the USA this would even be considered. For me it will not matter I would not abide buy any of this,