how would biden take my guns.

[kaz]

... slavery didn't begin in America ...

Slavery died out in the Christian part of Europe - and it came back in America. So indeed began a new form of slavery in America. I would call this form a "machine minded" slavery.

By the way: Did you ever notice that the modern world very often calls human beings "consumers"? A consumer is part of a machine.

Just FYI, slavery still widely exists, particularly in Asia and Africa.

In the USA, Democrats want to end their own freedom and be slaves to government, it's bizarre

In a democracy no one is a slave of the government - everyone is the government.

Until government quits obeying and starts grabbing power, like a tyrant...then we must destroy it with extreme violence and death.

Machine guns or Valhalla.

Go to a psychotherapist.

Being gullible is good. Sure it is, LOL, sheep

 

[kaz]

... slavery didn't begin in America ...

Slavery died out in the Christian part of Europe - and it came back in America. So indeed began a new form of slavery in America. I would call this form a "machine minded" slavery.

By the way: Did you ever notice that the modern world very often calls human beings "consumers"? A consumer is part of a machine.

Just FYI, slavery still widely exists, particularly in Asia and Africa.

In the USA, Democrats want to end their own freedom and be slaves to government, it's bizarre

In a democracy no one is a slave of the government - everyone is the government.

And yet, we have an oligarchy and are slaves while mistakenly thinking we have democratic representation.

If you make yourselve to a slave then you are a slave. But an extremistic opinion makes you not to a slave. The most people wiLl just simple not share the nonsense, which you say.

And yet you fascists hysterically attack as racist anyone who stands between you and your government meal ticket. That while you call us naïve. What a joke you are

 

[Markle]

The AR-15 is an assault weapon for use in war. The correct German word for this kind of weapon is "Maschinenkarabiner". Who owns such a weapon or sells such a weapon in Germany (for private use) risks to go to jail for up to 10 years. And this law makes a lot of sense. I read for example from a shooting in the USA, where policemen were directly in front, when the shooting started. They reacted very well and very fast in the best of all possible ways under this extreme pressure. Nevertheless some people had to die before they were able to shoot down the killer.

Your ignorance is not surprising. An AR-15 is no more an assault weapon than a Kia is a Lamborghini. The Clinton ban on assault weapons failed because no one could come up with a viable description of an assault weapon.

 

[kaz]

... slavery didn't begin in America ...

Slavery died out in the Christian part of Europe - and it came back in America. So indeed began a new form of slavery in America. I would call this form a "machine minded" slavery.

By the way: Did you ever notice that the modern world very often calls human beings "consumers"? A consumer is part of a machine.

Just FYI, slavery still widely exists, particularly in Asia and Africa.

In the USA, Democrats want to end their own freedom and be slaves to government, it's bizarre

They still have slavery in this nation--sex trafficking

Qanon is alive and well.

Neither you nor I know what the fuck Qanon even is. They are just a Democrat talking point for sheep. Or in your native language, baa

 

[Markle]

In 2020 died 19,276 persons in the USA because of guns. Hurted from guns were 39,379 persons. 5.103 from the killed and hurted persons were under 18 years.

The killing rate in the USA is more than 7 times (=700%) higher than in Germany and about 25 times (2500%) higher than in Japan.

This is the USA, not Germany. We live in a country of Freedom and Liberty. Those rights are not free.

Gee, Germany has strict gun laws, go figure. As you know too, Japan has a totally different culture and they have a homogeneous society.

 

[freyasman]

Under our current distribution of population, that would essentially mean that candidates would only need to campaign in about a dozen cities, possibly fewer.

I'm afraid that's the nature of democracy. One person, one vote.

Perhaps the country is just too damned big. If there's one area where I lean right, it's the belief that most government should be local.

As the feds grow bigger themselves, the goal seems to be to reduce the power and significance of states. Removing the EC would accomplish that in many respects. The next logical step would be to remove the Senate. Both require Constitutional Amendments, but the NPVIC (National Popular Vote Interstate Compact) may eventually nullify the EC in a roundabout way anyway.

Things do get confusing.

For my money, the archaic Senate contributes to federal abuse. Take the 2ndA, the problem is made easier by leaving it up to the states. I really don't care if they want six-shooter duals in Texas - but keep the insanity of unabridged carry out of my yard.

Until we split into multiple countries, federal abuse is sure to come with or without an intact Senate.

Most of the abuse comes from the executive branch. Intelligence agencies spy on us, the ATF arbitrarily declares things illegal and often retroactively, the IRS harasses people for political reasons, and the military sends people to die overseas for unnecessary wars.

Yes, I've already agreed that we are too big with too much government too far from home.

I don't want to get into Q&A, but I can tell you that people harassed by the IRS are usually guilty. Tax cheats are everywhere, and enforcement is a joke.

Well, taxation IS theft, after all.

 

[freyasman]

just imagining how the actual process would begin.
so far its political bluster. but communism is chipping away at democracy. other things constitutional are melting in the fakenews winds of liberal hysteria.
obama changed the constitution.

fake news is the enemy of conservative America.
journalism will make a fabulous comeback.

do they have a ... "plan" for rounding up ar 15's

i still need mine, so im keeping it (them)..

It probably won't be unlike when they went door to door in New Orleans after Katrina. The streets were lawless and they searched each house to take any guns they found.

Yep, there was a huge lawsuit and settlement after the dust settled but, if you could not prove a gun was yours, New Orleans kept the weapon.

They'd get shot to pieces pretty quick.

Probably if it is national but no one put up any resistance in New Orleans.

True, but that was then and this is now, and a lot of people have learned a lot of shit since then.

 

[washamericom]

No one is coming for your guns, dumbass.

Tell that to the thousands of blacks in jail for gun possession in urban cities

i'd like to address that.

 

[washamericom]

just imagining how the actual process would begin.
so far its political bluster. but communism is chipping away at democracy. other things constitutional are melting in the fakenews winds of liberal hysteria.
obama changed the constitution.

fake news is the enemy of conservative America.
journalism will make a fabulous comeback.

do they have a ... "plan" for rounding up ar 15's

i still need mine, so im keeping it (them)..

Idiot Biden says he wants to take your assault weapons,(AR15 is one). It won't be easy.
If you already have it, it will be tough to take it legally.

An AR15 is not an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is an assault weapon for use in war. The correct German word for this kind of weapon is "Maschinenkarabiner". Who owns such a weapon or sells such a weapon in Germany (for private use) risks to go to jail for up to 10 years. And this law makes a lot of sense. I read for example from a shooting in the USA, where policemen were directly in front, when the shooting started. They reacted very well and very fast in the best of all possible ways under this extreme pressure. Nevertheless some people had to die before they were able to shoot down the killer.

And again, you don't know what you are talking about.

The AR-15 is a civilian rifle....it has never been used by the US military.

The AR-15 is equivalent to the M16 guns of your forces. As I said: In Germany the correct word for this kind of weapon is "Maschinenkarabiner". All weapons in this kind of weapon are war weapons. Whether an army is using it or not is not the criterion. To own or to trade such weapons in Germany (for private use) means to risk to have to go into jail up to 10 years.

On the other hand......the pump action shotgun is an actual military weapon....in use right now by the US millitary around the world.

The bolt action rifle....is an actual military weapon....in use, right now, by the US military around the world......

Please.....try understanding the issues before you post.

no comment

The AR-15 is not the same as the M-16 or M-4....they are not the same weapon....

The AR-15 is a civilian rifle....20 million of them in private hands.........and they are used to kill fewer people in this country than knives or empty hands........

Your fixation on that rifle is irrational and stupid.

Again....

The AR-15 is not used by our military.....the pump action shotgun is actually used by our military, so the pump action shotgun is a military weapon, the AR-15 is not.

why not semi auto shotguns ?

 

[washamericom]

And yet, we have an oligarchy and are slaves while mistakenly thinking we have democratic representation.

If you make yourselve to a slave then you are a slave. But an extremistic opinion makes you not to a slave. The most people wiLl just simple not share the nonsense, which you say.

Ask yourself what kind of system is like this:

1) Corporations and corporate PACs comprise most funding for most candidates of either party.
2) Elected officials neither write the legislation they present nor fully read what they pass, but corporate think tanks do the writing instead.
3) Both parties routinely bail out corporations, enter unnecessary wars, and spend far more than the government collects with no concern at all for inflation.
4) Most mainstream media is owned by the same corporations that own the politicians.

Would you describe that as a democracy?

Democratic action plays a role but for the better part, we are a plutocracy (power derived from wealth). Trumpism introduced fascism as a serious player in American Politics. Despite this term often being misused hereabouts (as a slur tied to commie), fascism is right handed, a hyper brand of nationalism with an authoritarian at it's head.

Trump wasn't authoritarian though. He took a states' rights approach to a lot of things, like COVID restrictions. An actual authoritarian would have exercised a lot of federal authority. Trump was more active regarding certain forms of economic protectionism, but that actually makes him very similar to old school Democrats (like FDR and Truman).

Nationalism itself isn't fascist. Fascism requires pretty heavy handed federal control over society. A much better example of it would be China's government.

Trump's attempt to overthrow an election was a serious authoritarian move as was his misuse of the Justice Department.

He did neither thing........his legal actions to fight unConstitutional actions in various states that changed election law illegally were not authoritarian in any way.

It was obama, not Trump, who misused the DOJ.....

No, that part was just a misguided waste of donations.

But you overlook his intent, the dumbass thing that was done on Jan 6th. The Senate is charged with counting the electoral votes (a formality) and signing off. What Trump wanted was to change the electoral vote, and thereby retain the WH.

Which was his legal right to do..........he followed the law, the democrat party judges who changed election law acted against the Constitution, not Trump.

how that got past the courts is beyond me.
maybe in the neighborhood of if OJ was deemed guilty ?

 

[washamericom]

And yet, we have an oligarchy and are slaves while mistakenly thinking we have democratic representation.

If you make yourselve to a slave then you are a slave. But an extremistic opinion makes you not to a slave. The most people wiLl just simple not share the nonsense, which you say.

Ask yourself what kind of system is like this:

1) Corporations and corporate PACs comprise most funding for most candidates of either party.
2) Elected officials neither write the legislation they present nor fully read what they pass, but corporate think tanks do the writing instead.
3) Both parties routinely bail out corporations, enter unnecessary wars, and spend far more than the government collects with no concern at all for inflation.
4) Most mainstream media is owned by the same corporations that own the politicians.

Would you describe that as a democracy?

Democratic action plays a role but for the better part, we are a plutocracy (power derived from wealth). Trumpism introduced fascism as a serious player in American Politics. Despite this term often being misused hereabouts (as a slur tied to commie), fascism is right handed, a hyper brand of nationalism with an authoritarian at it's head.

Trump wasn't authoritarian though. He took a states' rights approach to a lot of things, like COVID restrictions. An actual authoritarian would have exercised a lot of federal authority. Trump was more active regarding certain forms of economic protectionism, but that actually makes him very similar to old school Democrats (like FDR and Truman).

Nationalism itself isn't fascist. Fascism requires pretty heavy handed federal control over society. A much better example of it would be China's government.

Trump's attempt to overthrow an election was a serious authoritarian move as was his misuse of the Justice Department.

He did neither thing........his legal actions to fight unConstitutional actions in various states that changed election law illegally were not authoritarian in any way.

It was obama, not Trump, who misused the DOJ.....

No, that part was just a misguided waste of donations.

But you overlook his intent, the dumbass thing that was done on Jan 6th. The Senate is charged with counting the electoral votes (a formality) and signing off. What Trump wanted was to change the electoral vote, and thereby retain the WH.

Trump wanted to respect/recognize the elector count.

That's not what Mike Pence said.

refresh me por favor

 

[Markle]

I know enough about human nature to prefer not to have everyone at the mall armed. I really don't care one way or the other about your statistics. Feel free to legalize whatever you wish in your neighborhood. I will make the same effort where I live and if I discover there are a lot of people in my area who confuse guns with their dicks, I'll move and leave them to their fetish.

If what I just wrote is a problem for you, perhaps your nose is too long?

Of course, you don't care about facts and statistics. You're a far-left Liberal, facts, statistics, and results confuse you. Studies show that Conservatives are far more open to viewing and considering opposing views than are Liberals. Who knew?

 

[washamericom]

And yet, we have an oligarchy and are slaves while mistakenly thinking we have democratic representation.

If you make yourselve to a slave then you are a slave. But an extremistic opinion makes you not to a slave. The most people wiLl just simple not share the nonsense, which you say.

Ask yourself what kind of system is like this:

1) Corporations and corporate PACs comprise most funding for most candidates of either party.
2) Elected officials neither write the legislation they present nor fully read what they pass, but corporate think tanks do the writing instead.
3) Both parties routinely bail out corporations, enter unnecessary wars, and spend far more than the government collects with no concern at all for inflation.
4) Most mainstream media is owned by the same corporations that own the politicians.

Would you describe that as a democracy?

Democratic action plays a role but for the better part, we are a plutocracy (power derived from wealth). Trumpism introduced fascism as a serious player in American Politics. Despite this term often being misused hereabouts (as a slur tied to commie), fascism is right handed, a hyper brand of nationalism with an authoritarian at it's head.

Trump wasn't authoritarian though. He took a states' rights approach to a lot of things, like COVID restrictions. An actual authoritarian would have exercised a lot of federal authority. Trump was more active regarding certain forms of economic protectionism, but that actually makes him very similar to old school Democrats (like FDR and Truman).

Nationalism itself isn't fascist. Fascism requires pretty heavy handed federal control over society. A much better example of it would be China's government.

Trump's attempt to overthrow an election was a serious authoritarian move as was his misuse of the Justice Department.

He did neither thing........his legal actions to fight unConstitutional actions in various states that changed election law illegally were not authoritarian in any way.

It was obama, not Trump, who misused the DOJ.....

No, that part was just a misguided waste of donations.

But you overlook his intent, the dumbass thing that was done on Jan 6th. The Senate is charged with counting the electoral votes (a formality) and signing off. What Trump wanted was to change the electoral vote, and thereby retain the WH.

Which was his legal right to do..........he followed the law, the democrat party judges who changed election law acted against the Constitution, not Trump.

Some of the judges who dismissed his suits were conservative, some were appointed by him, and further, the SC refused his conjecture.

That there is always some failure in vote counting is a reflection of our imperfection, but it's not exclusive to one side of the aisle and there is no evidence of widespread fraud. None.

it's exclusive to one side.

 

[washamericom]

... slavery didn't begin in America ...

Slavery died out in the Christian part of Europe - and it came back in America. So indeed began a new form of slavery in America. I would call this form a "machine minded" slavery.

By the way: Did you ever notice that the modern world very often calls human beings "consumers"? A consumer is part of a machine.

Just FYI, slavery still widely exists, particularly in Asia and Africa.

In the USA, Democrats want to end their own freedom and be slaves to government, it's bizarre

They still have slavery in this nation--sex trafficking

True. Good point. And the Democrats are enabling it with their open border policies and that they keep kidnapped children with their abductors

man is that going to be mess, what are they thinking ?

 

[washamericom]

... slavery didn't begin in America ...

Slavery died out in the Christian part of Europe - and it came back in America. So indeed began a new form of slavery in America. I would call this form a "machine minded" slavery.

By the way: Did you ever notice that the modern world very often calls human beings "consumers"? A consumer is part of a machine.

Just FYI, slavery still widely exists, particularly in Asia and Africa.

In the USA, Democrats want to end their own freedom and be slaves to government, it's bizarre

In a democracy no one is a slave of the government - everyone is the government.

Grow the fuck up. First, "everyone" isn't the government, only the majority. We the minority are road kill to an oppressively majority tyranny who freely rob us and remove our liberty.

And yes, Democrats think that you can create a ubiquitous government and keep it subservient to them as it becomes ever more powerful. They are fools.

And more basically, in the meantime Democrats are constantly giving up their freedom to be cared for because government is smarter than they are

kazman... you are wise, well said sir !

 

[washamericom]

Under our current distribution of population, that would essentially mean that candidates would only need to campaign in about a dozen cities, possibly fewer.

I'm afraid that's the nature of democracy. One person, one vote.

Perhaps the country is just too damned big. If there's one area where I lean right, it's the belief that most government should be local.

As the feds grow bigger themselves, the goal seems to be to reduce the power and significance of states. Removing the EC would accomplish that in many respects. The next logical step would be to remove the Senate. Both require Constitutional Amendments, but the NPVIC (National Popular Vote Interstate Compact) may eventually nullify the EC in a roundabout way anyway.

Things do get confusing.

For my money, the archaic Senate contributes to federal abuse. Take the 2ndA, the problem is made easier by leaving it up to the states. I really don't care if they want six-shooter duals in Texas - but keep the insanity of unabridged carry out of my yard.

Until we split into multiple countries, federal abuse is sure to come with or without an intact Senate.

Most of the abuse comes from the executive branch. Intelligence agencies spy on us, the ATF arbitrarily declares things illegal and often retroactively, the IRS harasses people for political reasons, and the military sends people to die overseas for unnecessary wars.

Yes, I've already agreed that we are too big with too much government too far from home.

I don't want to get into Q&A, but I can tell you that people harassed by the IRS are usually guilty. Tax cheats are everywhere, and enforcement is a joke.

Well, taxation IS theft, after all.

i agree, i'm trying to get seventy million people, who pay most of the tax, to put their april 15 check into a protest escrow account. i'm sure that would pucker psychotic nancy's asshole, and no i don't mean burbank adam schiff.
they will run around to change the legality, but it would at least be congress changing the law, not the unelected. i know new yorkers that pay more tax than then they bring home. like the beatles pay like 90 %. my friends pay like 60. that's unpatriotic.

 

[Markle]

just imagining how the actual process would begin.
so far its political bluster. but communism is chipping away at democracy. other things constitutional are melting in the fakenews winds of liberal hysteria.
obama changed the constitution.

fake news is the enemy of conservative America.
journalism will make a fabulous comeback.

do they have a ... "plan" for rounding up ar 15's

i still need mine, so im keeping it (them)..

It probably won't be unlike when they went door to door in New Orleans after Katrina. The streets were lawless and they searched each house to take any guns they found.

Yep, there was a huge lawsuit and settlement after the dust settled but, if you could not prove a gun was yours, New Orleans kept the weapon.

They'd get shot to pieces pretty quick.

Probably if it is national but no one put up any resistance in New Orleans.

True, but that was then and this is now, and a lot of people have learned a lot of shit since then.

Katrina is not ancient history.

 

[berg80]

just imagining how the actual process would begin.

What you're doing is pretending the process would actually begin..........against all demonstrable evidence. Fear mongering myths about Dems and guns is nothing new.

Gun control group gives Obama an ‘F’

President Barack Obama on Monday received a failing grade from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

thehill.com

 

[2aguy]

In 2020 died 19,276 persons in the USA because of guns. Hurted from guns were 39,379 persons. 5.103 from the killed and hurted persons were under 18 years.

The killing rate in the USA is more than 7 times (=700%) higher than in Germany and about 25 times (2500%) higher than in Japan.

This is the USA, not Germany. We live in a country of Freedom and Liberty. Those rights are not free.

Gee, Germany has strict gun laws, go figure. As you know too, Japan has a totally different culture and they have a homogeneous society.

What he/she/it fails to realize?

The German government in 6 years murdered more innocent people than criminals in the US, with guns, did over 81 years.......and the people the German government murdered were first disarmed............

 

[Markle]

just imagining how the actual process would begin.
so far its political bluster. but communism is chipping away at democracy. other things constitutional are melting in the fakenews winds of liberal hysteria.
obama changed the constitution.

fake news is the enemy of conservative America.
journalism will make a fabulous comeback.

do they have a ... "plan" for rounding up ar 15's

i still need mine, so im keeping it (them)..

Idiot Biden says he wants to take your assault weapons,(AR15 is one). It won't be easy.
If you already have it, it will be tough to take it legally.

An AR15 is not an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is an assault weapon for use in war. The correct German word for this kind of weapon is "Maschinenkarabiner". Who owns such a weapon or sells such a weapon in Germany (for private use) risks to go to jail for up to 10 years. And this law makes a lot of sense. I read for example from a shooting in the USA, where policemen were directly in front, when the shooting started. They reacted very well and very fast in the best of all possible ways under this extreme pressure. Nevertheless some people had to die before they were able to shoot down the killer.

And again, you don't know what you are talking about.

The AR-15 is a civilian rifle....it has never been used by the US military.

The AR-15 is equivalent to the M16 guns of your forces. As I said: In Germany the correct word for this kind of weapon is "Maschinenkarabiner". All weapons in this kind of weapon are war weapons. Whether an army is using it or not is not the criterion. To own or to trade such weapons in Germany (for private use) means to risk to have to go into jail up to 10 years.

On the other hand......the pump action shotgun is an actual military weapon....in use right now by the US millitary around the world.

The bolt action rifle....is an actual military weapon....in use, right now, by the US military around the world......

Please.....try understanding the issues before you post.

no comment

The AR-15 is not the same as the M-16 or M-4....they are not the same weapon....

The AR-15 is a civilian rifle....20 million of them in private hands.........and they are used to kill fewer people in this country than knives or empty hands........

Your fixation on that rifle is irrational and stupid.

Again....

The AR-15 is not used by our military.....the pump action shotgun is actually used by our military, so the pump action shotgun is a military weapon, the AR-15 is not.

why not semi auto shotguns ?