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How will we judge Obama?

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How will we judge Obama?

A commentator Erin Aubry Kaplan, for the Chicago Tribune wrote an article titled "How will we judge Obama?" Certainly, she has the facts identified and neatly lined up, but her conclusions are so small scale and lack vision.

For instance:

That hoped-for change was not just political but also spiritual — it was supposed to finally forge One America across racial lines. But the racial lines have held. The clearest evidence of this is that from the beginning, Obama has always meant something different to black people than he does to everyone else.

What the hell is she talking about. I don't know anyone who thought right wing racist southern confederate Republicans would be anything else but who they have always been. Their views on blacks is very similar to their views on gays. They may hold "kill the gays" rallies, but they are not nearly bold enough to do that to blacks, at least not any more.

Simply negotiating the space of the presidency for two terms, Blow wrote, will bolster blacks’ self-image for generations to come. But that is only part of the picture, and not the most important part. (The title of Blow’s column, “The Other Obama Legacy,” acknowledges as much.) Chiefly white opponents of the first black president view him as immeasurable in another way: an utter failure, an abomination or something worse.

Black's self-image is not that important? I suspect to blacks, it's very important. And why this "blacks and whites"? I know lot's of white who are just as fond of Obama as blacks. And not all blacks are fond of him. It's crazy. But the Tribune is a conservative paper who endorsed Bush twice. And when it came to "an utter failure, an abomination or something worse", Republicans felt that way when he was running the first time, just because he is black.

simply another black man trying to find his way in a hostile white environment. In this way he followed in the modern folk-hero tradition of Jackie Robinson and other gifted black “firsts” whose main task, besides playing baseball or being president, was to overcome overwhelming odds and gain acceptance in the face of racial adversity

Jackie Robinson was a transformational figure. To think otherwise is crazy. What he did went far, far beyond base ball. And this idea that blacks want to gain the acceptance of whites is simply silly beyond belief. This is white racism at it's worst. To assume black people's goal is to petted by whites. Hello, most black don't give a flying fuck what whites think.

The gaze of white supremacy prevails. No matter how much Obama resonates with black folks — no matter how much he has transformed us — it is his resonance, or lack of it, among whites that is assumed to matter more. Black support is a given, the reasoning goes; white buy-in is the brass ring that will ultimately determine Obama’s importance.

So much arrogance with these crazy assumptions. And the author is a black woman. Strange.

The gaze of white supremacy prevails. No matter how much Obama resonates with black folks — no matter how much he has transformed us — it is his resonance, or lack of it, among whites that is assumed to matter more. Black support is a given, the reasoning goes; white buy-in is the brass ring that will ultimately determine Obama’s importance.

Oh give me a break. So transformation is blacks being liked by white people. Ridiculous beyond belief.

There are children who have only known a black president. That in itself is transformational. Something that will last far beyond the end of Obama's second term. Without even trying to, Obama has exposed the racisim of the GOP. Obama just existing was enough for them to show the world who they are. Trump's "wall" proves it.

Because of Obama, America will now have to work with the Middle East. No more invasions and random bomb drops.

Obama getting millions of Americans covered exposed the GOP immoral policy of "let them die" for what it is. UnAmerican and Satanic.

Voter suppression has shown America how far Republicans are willing to go to keep America white. Well, it's not going to work. They have been "exposed" and just that makes Obama transformational.
 

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Care to comment on the real unemployment rate among the Black community? How many Blacks have moved into the Middle Class under Obama? How many Blacks have fallen deeper into poverty under Obama? How about the murders of Blacks under Obama or in the cities of Chicago and other Democrat controlled cities?
 

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Care to comment on the real unemployment rate among the Black community? How many Blacks have moved into the Middle Class under Obama? How many Blacks have fallen deeper into poverty under Obama? How about the murders of Blacks under Obama or in the cities of Chicago and other Democrat controlled cities?


Outsourcing and unenforcement of our anti-trust laws have allowed the collapse of inner-city employment. Big corporations just won't build within the cities and they have destroyed most of the businesses that would.

Looking at republican trade policy throughout history tells me that all the jobs want to China. This is one area that Obama failed at doing something serious about.
 

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No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.

14 million jobs

I see less than 10 million.
Where do you get your phony numbers?
 

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It will become rapidly apparent that the prism through which Obama will be judged is 'partisanship'. This thread will uselessly and quickly be filled with comments from Liberals who will praise Obama while ignoring every single flaw and failure while some Conservatives will refuse to give him credit for anything...nothing that can't be read in almost every other thread on this board.
 

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No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.










The one percent got even wealthier.

The middle class lost net worth for the first time in decades.

US net GDP dropped.

Fewer American working than was seen since the 1970's due to loss of jobs.

Middle class folks being forced to work two or three jobs because obamacare forced employers to cut hours to avoid the law.

Yeah matthew, he's one of the worst POTUS's this country has ever seen. But you would have to take your blinders off to acknowledge the truth of it.
 

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14 million jobs
Mostly within the private sector
10% to 5% unemployment =huge improvement!
Millions of more people on health insurance.

No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.

14 million jobs

I see less than 10 million.
Where do you get your phony numbers?
Compare that to bush...
 

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... as the race baiting, class warrior that he is. Total disaster.
 

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14 million jobs
Mostly within the private sector
10% to 5% unemployment =huge improvement!
Millions of more people on health insurance.

No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.

  • Record number of people on food stamps
  • Nation lost it's AAA credit rating
  • Because of Obama’s policies since he became President, 11,472,000 Americans have left the work force.
  • The number of Americans on welfare has hit record highs.
  • Obamacare has been a disaster that cost millions their insurance and sent health care costs spiraling into the stratosphere.
  • He’s responsible for the dumbing down of our education system with Common Core.
  • His servile bowing to other world leaders is embarrassing and un-American.
  • He released 5 Taliban terrorists In exchange for deserter Bowe Bergdahl.
  • Barack Obama is deliberately creating a crisis on the southern border by refusing to deport illegal aliens crossing into our country.
  • For all practical purposes, Barack Obama has already unilaterally implemented amnesty in America because “at least 99.92% of illegal immigrants and visa overstays without known crimes on their records” aren’t being deported.
- 50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong



 

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No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.

14 million jobs

I see less than 10 million.
Where do you get your phony numbers?
Compare that to bush...

Who made a false claim about Bush?
 

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No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.










The one percent got even wealthier.

The middle class lost net worth for the first time in decades.

US net GDP dropped.

Fewer American working than was seen since the 1970's due to loss of jobs.

Middle class folks being forced to work two or three jobs because obamacare forced employers to cut hours to avoid the law.

Yeah matthew, he's one of the worst POTUS's this country has ever seen. But you would have to take your blinders off to acknowledge the truth of it.
The one percent got even wealthier.
Been happening for decades, and do you honestly think he could've done anything with congress anyway? Why is the one percent getting more wealth a bad thing anyways?
The middle class lost net worth for the first time in decades.
Yeah, that's definitely Obama's fault, not the recession or the stagnant wages that have been here for decades.
Fewer American working than was seen since the 1970's due to loss of jobs.
False. Retirement/more people going to college.
Middle class folks being forced to work two or three jobs because obamacare forced employers to cut hours to avoid the law.
A silly claim. I'm sure it happens to some folks, but come on.
 

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Recipients of the tax-payer-funded social(ist) program hand-outs will sing his praises.

Mexican Drug Cartels will declare him to be the best arms dealer they ever had.

Illegal immigrants will declare him to be the best friend Mexico has ever had.

Syrian 'Refugees' and Islamic Extremists will credit him for gaining a foothold in the US

The Muslim Brotherhood will tell tales of how they controlled Egypt for a while with his help.

Al Qaeida will teach the history of how their take-over of Libya was due to his taking the US to help them even after they attacked the US on 9/11/01

Iran will laugh and remember how it was Obama's concern for his own legacy that helped them destroy Israel
The families of those he sacrificed in Benghazi will remember him every time they look at the empty chairs where their loved ones would have sat

The family members of the 12 dead Americans killed by the terrorist to whom he gave a visa and let into the country will remember Obama's promise of a 'thorough' vetting system

History Books will tell of the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize, but refuse to mention that it was for unfulfilled 'potential' or how he also won the 'Lie of the Year' Award...
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How will we judge Obama?

A commentator Erin Aubry Kaplan, for the Chicago Tribune wrote an article titled "How will we judge Obama?" Certainly, she has the facts identified and neatly lined up, but her conclusions are so small scale and lack vision.

For instance:

That hoped-for change was not just political but also spiritual — it was supposed to finally forge One America across racial lines. But the racial lines have held. The clearest evidence of this is that from the beginning, Obama has always meant something different to black people than he does to everyone else.

What the hell is she talking about. I don't know anyone who thought right wing racist southern confederate Republicans would be anything else but who they have always been. Their views on blacks is very similar to their views on gays. They may hold "kill the gays" rallies, but they are not nearly bold enough to do that to blacks, at least not any more.

Simply negotiating the space of the presidency for two terms, Blow wrote, will bolster blacks’ self-image for generations to come. But that is only part of the picture, and not the most important part. (The title of Blow’s column, “The Other Obama Legacy,” acknowledges as much.) Chiefly white opponents of the first black president view him as immeasurable in another way: an utter failure, an abomination or something worse.

Black's self-image is not that important? I suspect to blacks, it's very important. And why this "blacks and whites"? I know lot's of white who are just as fond of Obama as blacks. And not all blacks are fond of him. It's crazy. But the Tribune is a conservative paper who endorsed Bush twice. And when it came to "an utter failure, an abomination or something worse", Republicans felt that way when he was running the first time, just because he is black.

simply another black man trying to find his way in a hostile white environment. In this way he followed in the modern folk-hero tradition of Jackie Robinson and other gifted black “firsts” whose main task, besides playing baseball or being president, was to overcome overwhelming odds and gain acceptance in the face of racial adversity

Jackie Robinson was a transformational figure. To think otherwise is crazy. What he did went far, far beyond base ball. And this idea that blacks want to gain the acceptance of whites is simply silly beyond belief. This is white racism at it's worst. To assume black people's goal is to petted by whites. Hello, most black don't give a flying fuck what whites think.

The gaze of white supremacy prevails. No matter how much Obama resonates with black folks — no matter how much he has transformed us — it is his resonance, or lack of it, among whites that is assumed to matter more. Black support is a given, the reasoning goes; white buy-in is the brass ring that will ultimately determine Obama’s importance.

So much arrogance with these crazy assumptions. And the author is a black woman. Strange.

The gaze of white supremacy prevails. No matter how much Obama resonates with black folks — no matter how much he has transformed us — it is his resonance, or lack of it, among whites that is assumed to matter more. Black support is a given, the reasoning goes; white buy-in is the brass ring that will ultimately determine Obama’s importance.

Oh give me a break. So transformation is blacks being liked by white people. Ridiculous beyond belief.

There are children who have only known a black president. That in itself is transformational. Something that will last far beyond the end of Obama's second term. Without even trying to, Obama has exposed the racisim of the GOP. Obama just existing was enough for them to show the world who they are. Trump's "wall" proves it.

Because of Obama, America will now have to work with the Middle East. No more invasions and random bomb drops.

Obama getting millions of Americans covered exposed the GOP immoral policy of "let them die" for what it is. UnAmerican and Satanic.

Voter suppression has shown America how far Republicans are willing to go to keep America white. Well, it's not going to work. They have been "exposed" and just that makes Obama transformational.
It won't be the people or columnists that will define his presidency. It will be historians. Will take years.
 

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No he didn't go far enough economically, but I'd judge him as decent. Republicans have a long history of causing recessions and depression...They shouldn't even be considered. A utter joke.










The one percent got even wealthier.

The middle class lost net worth for the first time in decades.

US net GDP dropped.

Fewer American working than was seen since the 1970's due to loss of jobs.

Middle class folks being forced to work two or three jobs because obamacare forced employers to cut hours to avoid the law.

Yeah matthew, he's one of the worst POTUS's this country has ever seen. But you would have to take your blinders off to acknowledge the truth of it.
The one percent got even wealthier.
Been happening for decades, and do you honestly think he could've done anything with congress anyway? Why is the one percent getting more wealth a bad thing anyways?
The middle class lost net worth for the first time in decades.
Yeah, that's definitely Obama's fault, not the recession or the stagnant wages that have been here for decades.
Fewer American working than was seen since the 1970's due to loss of jobs.
False. Retirement/more people going to college.
Middle class folks being forced to work two or three jobs because obamacare forced employers to cut hours to avoid the law.
A silly claim. I'm sure it happens to some folks, but come on.

You are truly stupid.

CEO of Carl's Jr. says 'Obamacare has caused millions of full-time jobs to become part-time'

ObamaCare Employer Mandate: A List Of Cuts To Work Hours, Jobs

Companies Are Cutting Part-Time Workers' Hours. Blame Obamacare?
 

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Recipients of the tax-payer-funded social(ist) program hand-outs will sing his praises.

Mexican Drug Cartels will declare him to be the best arms dealer they ever had.

Illegal immigrants will declare him to be the best friend Mexico has ever had.

Syrian 'Refugees' and Islamic Extremists will credit him for gaining a foothold in the US

The Muslim Brotherhood will tell tales of how they controlled Egypt for a while with his help.

Al Qaeida will teach the history of how their take-over of Libya was due to his taking the US to help them even after they attacked the US on 9/11/01

Iran will laugh and remember how it was Obama's concern for his own legacy that helped them destroy Israel
The families of those he sacrificed in Benghazi will remember him every time they look at the empty chairs where their loved ones would have sat

The family members of the 12 dead Americans killed by the terrorist to whom he gave a visa and let into the country will remember Obama's promise of a 'thorough' vetting system

History Books will tell of the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize, but refuse to mention that it was for unfulfilled 'potential' or how he also won the 'Lie of the Year' Award...
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Like I said, it wont be D's or R's the write history. In time it will be what true accomplishments he had, the good, or the bad and what it meant for future generations, if anything.
 

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