CDZ How We Can Reduce School Rampage Killings

[JimBowie1958]

Firstly, we need to get serious about the subject and stop relying on politicians for answers. They are not expert problem solvers, they are expert beggars and sycophants.

Let us look at an example of people who protect things less precious than our children from hundreds of attempts to do harm each and every day; banks. Bank security officers have several things they do to protect their gold, and none of it has anything to do with disarming guns in the local vicinity other than inside their own establishment and many dont even do that much. I can walk into most banks here in Virginia carrying a concealed hand gun and have often.

What bankers do in fact do is to have competition, use phyusical impediments and have armed guards with redundant monitoring equipment.

So let's dispense with this silly notion that putting up a sign that says 'Gun Free School Zone' is accomplishing anything at all.

And all these ridiculous claims that America has this unique problem of school rampage killings; bah humbug.

Here is a list of the last twenty school massacres around the globe..
.Name......................................................Date............Location...............Nation....Killed/Wounded...Weapon
1. Cruz, Nikolas de Jesus, 19 (suspect) Feb. 14 2018 Parkland, Florida U.S. 17/14 F E
2. Parker, Gabe, 15 (suspect) Jan. 23 2018 Draffenville, Kentucky U.S. 2 14 F
3. Unknown, 17[n 1] Jan. 22 2016 La Loche, Saskatchewan Canada 4 7 F
4. Harper-Mercer, Christopher Sean, 26 Oct. 1 2015 Roseburg, Oregon U.S. 9 8 F
5. Lanza, Adam Peter, 20[n 1] Dec. 14 2012 Newtown, Connecticut U.S. 27 2 F
6. Goh, One L., 43 April 2 2012 Oakland, California U.S. 7 3 F
7. Wu Yechang, 25(吴业昌) Sep. 21 2012 Pingnan County China 3 13 M
8. Menezes de Oliveira, Wellington, 23 April 7 2011 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12 22 F
9. Wu Huanming, 47(吴焕明) May 12 2010 Linchang China 9 11 M
10. Zheng Minsheng, 41(郑明生) March 23 2010 Nanping China 8 5 M
11. Fang Jiantang, 26(方建堂) Aug. 3 2010 Zibo China 3–4 7–20 M
12. Kretschmer, Tim, 17 March 11 2009 Winnenden -Wendlingen Germany 15 9 F
13. Gadirov, Farda, 28 April 30 2009 Baku Azerbaijan 12 13 F
14. De Gelder, Kim, 20 Jan. 16/23 2009 Vrasene Belgium 3 12 M
15. Saari, Matti Juhani, 22 Sep. 23 2008 Kauhajoki Finland 10 1 F
16. Ala Hisham Abu Dheim, 26(علاء هاشم أبو دهيم) March 6 2008 Jerusalem Israel 8 11 F
17. Kazmierczak, Steven Phillip, 27 Feb. 14 2008 DeKalb, Illinois U.S. 5 17 F
18. Cho, Seung-Hui, 23(조승희) April 16 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia U.S. 32 17 F
19. Auvinen, Pekka-Eric, 18 Nov. 7 2007 Jokela Finland 8 1 F
20. Bai Ningyang, 18(白宁阳) May 8 2006 Shiguan China 12 5 M

Weapon key: F = firearm, M = Melee weapon, E = explosives

So the US has no unique monopoly on school rampage killings having 7 of the last twenty school killing rampages..

And guns are no necessity for these cretins that carry out these attacks.
School attacks in China (2010–12) - Wikipedia

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 25 dead and some 115 injured. As most cases had no known motive, analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kinds of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

As the Chenpeng school attack was followed by the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in the United States hours later[2][3] comparisons were drawn between the two. The difference in gun control laws between the two countries was used to explain the disparity in casualties of the school attacks by journalists and politicians, including U.S. Representative Jerry Nadler,[4][5] and an article in the Associated Press noted that despite the different outcomes, an underlying commonality between the attacks was the increased frequency of school attacks because, "attackers often seek out the vulnerable, hoping to amplify their outrage before they themselves often commit suicide."[6]​

So an impossible ban on guns that would have no more effectiveness than the ban on pot, cocaine or poverty and would likely become only more abundant if put into law.

But here is what we can do:

1. Make all classrooms 'safe rooms' that can be locked against a determined attacker with a gun.
2. Allow trained civilians to carry concealed at schools once they have due licenses from the state and local school boards.
3. Hire security guards to monitor heavily traveled hallways and entrances.
4. Install a camera system that can see all approaches and halls in the school and make sure it is monitored and an ability to put the school on immediate lockdown over-riding all other alarms.
5. Issue student ID cards and make them mandatory for admission to schools. Suspended students would have to turn their IDs in.
6. Install metal detectors at al school entrances.
7. Allow for parent volunteers to monitor hallways.
8.Allow school competition with a voucher plan.


These wont work perfectly but they will be a good solid start instead of gun grabbing panaceas that have proven to NOT work at all.

But then again, how will gun grabbing politicians seek votes with the bloody shirts of students that have been shot if we actually stop these things from ever happening again?

 

[bgrouse]

School rampage killings are very rare and not worth discussing. If I were in school, I'd worry about being killed in a school rampage killing about as much as I worry about being struck by lightning.

 

[Picaro]

We can stop pretending mentally ill gimps should be indulged and left to run around loose, and we can start locking up them and seeing they either get help or kept away from others until they do get help. Letting the mentally ill run around loose is a crime in itself, but hey, many deviants are now allowed to get married and adopt children these days; might be a little late to care, and we should just do away with laws and let social darwinism take care of it. It seems to work just great in Somalia, and south Chicago, et al.

 

[Picaro]

School rampage killings are very rare and not worth discussing. If I were in school, I'd worry about being killed in a school rampage killing about as much as I worry about being struck by lightning.

Yes, but we have lots of non-existent problems we need to focus on, like the imaginary 'war on black yoofs' police are supposed to be conducting, and of course the great need for 'safe spaces' for 'adults' on college campuses, and gushing over how wonderful it is pot was legalized in some states, which seems to be the pinnacle of cultural achievement by a lot of semi-literates and 'social justice warrior' types.

 

[Anathema]

You want to stop these shootings....

1. SECURE the school buildings. One entry point. Multiple exits, but one and only one entry. No glass entryways. Limited windows.

2. SECURITY PERSONNEL. That means armed, trained and empowered personnel. Multiple people. Both armed faculty and dedicated Security Guards.

 

[Picaro]

You want to stop these shootings....

1. SECURE the school buildings. One entry point. Multiple exits, but one and only one entry. No glass entryways. Limited windows.

2. SECURITY PERSONNEL. That means armed, trained and empowered personnel. Multiple people. Both armed faculty and dedicated Security Guards.

Or we can just do it the easy way and arrest lunatics.

 

[Anathema]

Or we can just do it the easy way and arrest lunatics.

The world will never run out of lunatics, and many don't show themselves to be such ubtil it's too late.

 

[Picaro]

Or we can just do it the easy way and arrest lunatics.

The world will never run out of lunatics, and many don't show themselves to be such ubtil it's too late.

Most of them do show themselves, and just because a few don't isn't a reason not to clamp down on those who do.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Firstly, we need to get serious about the subject and stop relying on politicians for answers. They are not expert problem solvers, they are expert beggars and sycophants.

Let us look at an example of people who protect things less precious than our children from hundreds of attempts to do harm each and every day; banks. Bank security officers have several things they do to protect their gold, and none of it has anything to do with disarming guns in the local vicinity other than inside their own establishment and many dont even do that much. I can walk into most banks here in Virginia carrying a concealed hand gun and have often.

What bankers do in fact do is to have competition, use phyusical impediments and have armed guards with redundant monitoring equipment.

So let's dispense with this silly notion that putting up a sign that says 'Gun Free School Zone' is accomplishing anything at all.

And all these ridiculous claims that America has this unique problem of school rampage killings; bah humbug.

Here is a list of the last twenty school massacres around the globe..
.Name......................................................Date............Location...............Nation....Killed/Wounded...Weapon
1. Cruz, Nikolas de Jesus, 19 (suspect) Feb. 14 2018 Parkland, Florida U.S. 17/14 F E
2. Parker, Gabe, 15 (suspect) Jan. 23 2018 Draffenville, Kentucky U.S. 2 14 F
3. Unknown, 17[n 1] Jan. 22 2016 La Loche, Saskatchewan Canada 4 7 F
4. Harper-Mercer, Christopher Sean, 26 Oct. 1 2015 Roseburg, Oregon U.S. 9 8 F
5. Lanza, Adam Peter, 20[n 1] Dec. 14 2012 Newtown, Connecticut U.S. 27 2 F
6. Goh, One L., 43 April 2 2012 Oakland, California U.S. 7 3 F
7. Wu Yechang, 25(吴业昌) Sep. 21 2012 Pingnan County China 3 13 M
8. Menezes de Oliveira, Wellington, 23 April 7 2011 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12 22 F
9. Wu Huanming, 47(吴焕明) May 12 2010 Linchang China 9 11 M
10. Zheng Minsheng, 41(郑明生) March 23 2010 Nanping China 8 5 M
11. Fang Jiantang, 26(方建堂) Aug. 3 2010 Zibo China 3–4 7–20 M
12. Kretschmer, Tim, 17 March 11 2009 Winnenden -Wendlingen Germany 15 9 F
13. Gadirov, Farda, 28 April 30 2009 Baku Azerbaijan 12 13 F
14. De Gelder, Kim, 20 Jan. 16/23 2009 Vrasene Belgium 3 12 M
15. Saari, Matti Juhani, 22 Sep. 23 2008 Kauhajoki Finland 10 1 F
16. Ala Hisham Abu Dheim, 26(علاء هاشم أبو دهيم) March 6 2008 Jerusalem Israel 8 11 F
17. Kazmierczak, Steven Phillip, 27 Feb. 14 2008 DeKalb, Illinois U.S. 5 17 F
18. Cho, Seung-Hui, 23(조승희) April 16 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia U.S. 32 17 F
19. Auvinen, Pekka-Eric, 18 Nov. 7 2007 Jokela Finland 8 1 F
20. Bai Ningyang, 18(白宁阳) May 8 2006 Shiguan China 12 5 M

Weapon key: F = firearm, M = Melee weapon, E = explosives

So the US has no unique monopoly on school rampage killings having 7 of the last twenty school killing rampages..

And guns are no necessity for these cretins that carry out these attacks.
School attacks in China (2010–12) - Wikipedia

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 25 dead and some 115 injured. As most cases had no known motive, analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kinds of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

As the Chenpeng school attack was followed by the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in the United States hours later[2][3] comparisons were drawn between the two. The difference in gun control laws between the two countries was used to explain the disparity in casualties of the school attacks by journalists and politicians, including U.S. Representative Jerry Nadler,[4][5] and an article in the Associated Press noted that despite the different outcomes, an underlying commonality between the attacks was the increased frequency of school attacks because, "attackers often seek out the vulnerable, hoping to amplify their outrage before they themselves often commit suicide."[6]​

So an impossible ban on guns that would have no more effectiveness than the ban on pot, cocaine or poverty and would likely become only more abundant if put into law.

But here is what we can do:

1. Make all classrooms 'safe rooms' that can be locked against a determined attacker with a gun.
2. Allow trained civilians to carry concealed at schools once they have due licenses from the state and local school boards.
3. Hire security guards to monitor heavily traveled hallways and entrances.
4. Install a camera system that can see all approaches and halls in the school and make sure it is monitored and an ability to put the school on immediate lockdown over-riding all other alarms.
5. Issue student ID cards and make them mandatory for admission to schools. Suspended students would have to turn their IDs in.
6. Install metal detectors at al school entrances.
7. Allow for parent volunteers to monitor hallways.
8.Allow school competition with a voucher plan.


These wont work perfectly but they will be a good solid start instead of gun grabbing panaceas that have proven to NOT work at all.

But then again, how will gun grabbing politicians seek votes with the bloody shirts of students that have been shot if we actually stop these things from ever happening again?

Interesting post, all the banks I have been in the past 14 years don't have any security gaurds, just a few employees and we don't hear about anyone shooting up a bank or robbing them much anymore.. people that Rob banks don't want to hurt anyone , they just want the money and get away with it.



Now mass shootings is all about (I guess) killing as many people as possible before you get killed or kill your self .



But what's the point of killing a bunch of random people you don't know?

 

[petro]

The fact we are seriously turning schools into locked prisons should have us examining what the hell in our culture in the last 40 years has triggered some young men to go on a violent outburst.
Fronts we have failed...
Overly permissive culture...
Lack of respect to authority or elders...
A failing educational system...
Media that glorifies violence and imagery that wasn't present in the past...
Lazy feel good parenting...
Over medication of youth...
Failure to deal with obvious demented individuals...
I could do this all night, but too many of these threads.

What has changed in 40-50 years where in the past most 17 year olds were and acted as adults? And now we have kids living with patents far into adulthood. We have raised age limits to 21 when they used to be 18.

Guess its easier to blame a gun or the NRA than examine our culture.

 

[Picaro]

The fact we are seriously turning schools into locked prisons should have us examining what the hell in our culture in the last 40 years has triggered some young men to go on a violent outburst.
Fronts we have failed...
Overly permissive culture...
Lack of respect to authority or elders...
A failing educational system...
Media that glorifies violence and imagery that wasn't present in the past...
Lazy feel good parenting...
Over medication of youth...
Failure to deal with obvious demented individuals...
I could do this all night, but too many of these threads.

What has changed in 40-50 years where in the past most 17 year olds were and acted as adults? And now we have kids living with patents far into adulthood. We have raised age limits to 21 when they used to be 18.

Guess its easier to blame a gun or the NRA than examine our culture.

Yes. I pointed out in another thread how the 'culture wars' started a long time ago and we're reaping the 'rewards' of it these days. Desensitization is a big problem as well, in combination with mindless self-indulgence being a key 'principle' in both right and left wing political ideologies.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But here is what we can do:

1. Make all classrooms 'safe rooms' that can be locked against a determined attacker with a gun.
2. Allow trained civilians to carry concealed at schools once they have due licenses from the state and local school boards.
3. Hire security guards to monitor heavily traveled hallways and entrances.
4. Install a camera system that can see all approaches and halls in the school and make sure it is monitored and an ability to put the school on immediate lockdown over-riding all other alarms.
5. Issue student ID cards and make them mandatory for admission to schools. Suspended students would have to turn their IDs in.
6. Install metal detectors at al school entrances.
7. Allow for parent volunteers to monitor hallways.
8.Allow school competition with a voucher plan.

Here is my take on your suggestions as an educator and former school administrator.
1. Already done.
2. Teachers and staff ? Yes, Others? No.
3. Already done.
4. Already done.
5. Ridiculous. Administrative nightmare. Been there, done that.
6. Useless and a waste of money. Time consuming.
7. Requires someone to coordinate volunteers and they all have to have background checks. Administrative nightmare.
8. Vouchers defund schools. You obviously don't know what competition means.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You want to stop these shootings....

1. SECURE the school buildings. One entry point. Multiple exits, but one and only one entry. No glass entryways. Limited windows.

2. SECURITY PERSONNEL. That means armed, trained and empowered personnel. Multiple people. Both armed faculty and dedicated Security Guards.

Where are the trillions to build new schools going to come from? One entry point for 4000 students? Try again!

 

[toobfreak]

Firstly, we need to get serious about the subject and stop relying on politicians for answers. They are not expert problem solvers, they are expert beggars and sycophants.

Let us look at an example of people who protect things less precious than our children from hundreds of attempts to do harm each and every day; banks. Bank security officers have several things they do to protect their gold, and none of it has anything to do with disarming guns in the local vicinity other than inside their own establishment and many dont even do that much. I can walk into most banks here in Virginia carrying a concealed hand gun and have often.

What bankers do in fact do is to have competition, use phyusical impediments and have armed guards with redundant monitoring equipment.

So let's dispense with this silly notion that putting up a sign that says 'Gun Free School Zone' is accomplishing anything at all.

And all these ridiculous claims that America has this unique problem of school rampage killings; bah humbug.

Here is a list of the last twenty school massacres around the globe..
.Name......................................................Date............Location...............Nation....Killed/Wounded...Weapon
1. Cruz, Nikolas de Jesus, 19 (suspect) Feb. 14 2018 Parkland, Florida U.S. 17/14 F E
2. Parker, Gabe, 15 (suspect) Jan. 23 2018 Draffenville, Kentucky U.S. 2 14 F
3. Unknown, 17[n 1] Jan. 22 2016 La Loche, Saskatchewan Canada 4 7 F
4. Harper-Mercer, Christopher Sean, 26 Oct. 1 2015 Roseburg, Oregon U.S. 9 8 F
5. Lanza, Adam Peter, 20[n 1] Dec. 14 2012 Newtown, Connecticut U.S. 27 2 F
6. Goh, One L., 43 April 2 2012 Oakland, California U.S. 7 3 F
7. Wu Yechang, 25(吴业昌) Sep. 21 2012 Pingnan County China 3 13 M
8. Menezes de Oliveira, Wellington, 23 April 7 2011 Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12 22 F
9. Wu Huanming, 47(吴焕明) May 12 2010 Linchang China 9 11 M
10. Zheng Minsheng, 41(郑明生) March 23 2010 Nanping China 8 5 M
11. Fang Jiantang, 26(方建堂) Aug. 3 2010 Zibo China 3–4 7–20 M
12. Kretschmer, Tim, 17 March 11 2009 Winnenden -Wendlingen Germany 15 9 F
13. Gadirov, Farda, 28 April 30 2009 Baku Azerbaijan 12 13 F
14. De Gelder, Kim, 20 Jan. 16/23 2009 Vrasene Belgium 3 12 M
15. Saari, Matti Juhani, 22 Sep. 23 2008 Kauhajoki Finland 10 1 F
16. Ala Hisham Abu Dheim, 26(علاء هاشم أبو دهيم) March 6 2008 Jerusalem Israel 8 11 F
17. Kazmierczak, Steven Phillip, 27 Feb. 14 2008 DeKalb, Illinois U.S. 5 17 F
18. Cho, Seung-Hui, 23(조승희) April 16 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia U.S. 32 17 F
19. Auvinen, Pekka-Eric, 18 Nov. 7 2007 Jokela Finland 8 1 F
20. Bai Ningyang, 18(白宁阳) May 8 2006 Shiguan China 12 5 M

Weapon key: F = firearm, M = Melee weapon, E = explosives

So the US has no unique monopoly on school rampage killings having 7 of the last twenty school killing rampages..

And guns are no necessity for these cretins that carry out these attacks.
School attacks in China (2010–12) - Wikipedia

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 25 dead and some 115 injured. As most cases had no known motive, analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kinds of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

As the Chenpeng school attack was followed by the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in the United States hours later[2][3] comparisons were drawn between the two. The difference in gun control laws between the two countries was used to explain the disparity in casualties of the school attacks by journalists and politicians, including U.S. Representative Jerry Nadler,[4][5] and an article in the Associated Press noted that despite the different outcomes, an underlying commonality between the attacks was the increased frequency of school attacks because, "attackers often seek out the vulnerable, hoping to amplify their outrage before they themselves often commit suicide."[6]​

So an impossible ban on guns that would have no more effectiveness than the ban on pot, cocaine or poverty and would likely become only more abundant if put into law.

But here is what we can do:

1. Make all classrooms 'safe rooms' that can be locked against a determined attacker with a gun.
2. Allow trained civilians to carry concealed at schools once they have due licenses from the state and local school boards.
3. Hire security guards to monitor heavily traveled hallways and entrances.
4. Install a camera system that can see all approaches and halls in the school and make sure it is monitored and an ability to put the school on immediate lockdown over-riding all other alarms.
5. Issue student ID cards and make them mandatory for admission to schools. Suspended students would have to turn their IDs in.
6. Install metal detectors at al school entrances.
7. Allow for parent volunteers to monitor hallways.
8.Allow school competition with a voucher plan.


These wont work perfectly but they will be a good solid start instead of gun grabbing panaceas that have proven to NOT work at all.

But then again, how will gun grabbing politicians seek votes with the bloody shirts of students that have been shot if we actually stop these things from ever happening again?

All thoughts on your analysis and solutions aside, and making this now a "global" issue rather than national, your basic point is that blaming guns and attacking guns will have no more effect on solving much than has the war on drugs or prohibition worked! So the gun grabbers are wrong again and barring a gun, a person can still kill many other ways. But I choose not to live in fear locked up in a prison. The ultimate solution must be to get at the CAUSE, people themselves. Return schools to common sense happy places that people look forward to being at. They certainly aren't that anymore.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Fronts we have failed....

Good post, but I do not understand this statement, could you explain it more?

 

[JimBowie1958]

You want to stop these shootings....

1. SECURE the school buildings. One entry point. Multiple exits, but one and only one entry. No glass entryways. Limited windows.

2. SECURITY PERSONNEL. That means armed, trained and empowered personnel. Multiple people. Both armed faculty and dedicated Security Guards.

Where are the trillions to build new schools going to come from? One entry point for 4000 students? Try again!

I think existing school buildings can be altered to make them secure from gun fire passing through wals, or windows, and implementing a monitoring program basically only requires volunteers that will keep watch. Yeah, there needs to be multiple entries, or else the kids will find a way to sneak in, but not every possible exit should also be a valid entrance.

 

[Picaro]

Interesting post, all the banks I have been in the past 14 years don't have any security gaurds, just a few employees and we don't hear about anyone shooting up a bank or robbing them much anymore.. people that Rob banks don't want to hurt anyone , they just want the money and get away with it.

Well, the communications we have now make it a lot easier to catch them after they leave, complete with video and the like in most cases; no point in having on-site protection when you're a bank; you get all kinds of support and protection right off the bat; robbers don't stick around long. In the old days, that wasn't the case; armed guards were the only deterrent.

Now mass shootings is all about (I guess) killing as many people as possible before you get killed or kill your self .



But what's the point of killing a bunch of random people you don't know?

Letting everybody else know you're an angry little tard, and you'll all pay for my sniveling obsession with myself and my self-esteem issues, mostly; in a few other cases it can be abuse and the like, but for most of the shooters in incidents like these it's all ego issues.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Admiral, thank you for taking the time to give a line by line response.

I hope I dont seem hostile here.

Here is my take on your suggestions as an educator and former school administrator.
1. Already done.

1. Make all classrooms 'safe rooms' that can be locked against a determined attacker with a gun.

The walls of a 'safe room' are also bullet proof as are all other surfaces. I seriously doubt that this has been done.

2. Teachers and staff ? Yes, Others? No.

2. Allow trained civilians to carry concealed at schools once they have due licenses from the state and local school boards.

I think this depends more on the locale. In Montana or in a military run school I think it is more plausible to use non school staff, but I think it depends on the locale. Not every school is like the ones you have taught at.

I am mostly tossing ideas out here for use where they might fit.

3. Already done.

3. Hire security guards to monitor heavily traveled hallways and entrances.

Maybe where you have been, but I still see a lot of schools that dont have any sort of armed guards.

4. Already done.

4. Install a camera system that can see all approaches and halls in the school and make sure it is monitored and an ability to put the school on immediate lockdown over-riding all other alarms.

Apparently not everywhere, or at the school witht he last shooting in Floriduh.

5. Ridiculous. Administrative nightmare. Been there, done that.

5. Issue student ID cards and make them mandatory for admission to schools. Suspended students would have to turn their IDs in.

Lol, issuing IDs is a pretty simple thing that even the DoJ can do. You dont seem to have much confidence in our public schools.

6. Useless and a waste of money. Time consuming.

6. Install metal detectors at all school entrances.

This is simply an additional factor to prevent a rampage event, it is not offered as the universal fool proof solution.

And you seriously think that scanning bags in bulk along with visual inspection is a waste of time? Then why does EVERY security program use it? Show me county level courtrooms and above in this country that dont put you through a metal scanner. If it is good enough for a judge it is good enough for our childrens lives.

7. Requires someone to coordinate volunteers and they all have to have background checks. Administrative nightmare.

7. Allow for parent volunteers to monitor hallways.

I was refering to the parents of students attending. What additional BGC is required?

You REALLY do not have any confidence in school administration anywhere.

8. Vouchers defund schools. You obviously don't know what competition means.

8.Allow school competition with a voucher plan.

Of course our public schools could compete with private schools and they would be funded on the basiss of how many students they can attract just like it is now in every state I am aware of.

For the better public schools a voucher program would bring MORE funding, obviously.

You REALLY Truly have zero confidence in our public schools system, nor for its ability to adapt.

That you appear to have some background in these systems troubles me.

What school systems or general types have you worked in? I.e. large urban schools, affluent suburban schools, military base schools, local rural schools?

 

[petro]

Fronts we have failed....

Good post, but I do not understand this statement, could you explain it more?

That was basically a title for the list of reasons that followed.
Bad set up on my part.

 

[Picaro]

You want to stop these shootings....

1. SECURE the school buildings. One entry point. Multiple exits, but one and only one entry. No glass entryways. Limited windows.

2. SECURITY PERSONNEL. That means armed, trained and empowered personnel. Multiple people. Both armed faculty and dedicated Security Guards.

Where are the trillions to build new schools going to come from? One entry point for 4000 students? Try again!

I think existing school buildings can be altered to make them secure from gun fire passing through wals, or windows, and implementing a monitoring program basically only requires volunteers that will keep watch. Yeah, there needs to be multiple entries, or else the kids will find a way to sneak in, but not every possible exit should also be a valid entrance.

My local high school had a Principal, Vice Principal, and a secretary that worked for both of them; we now have more 'administrators' and 'experts' than we do teachers, and the quality has become total crap. It isn't about buildings or anything else, it's about mentalities, cultural suicide, and pandering to idiots.