How to Deal with Ultra-Left Academia

can you address my question please?

you really should stop peppering me with MORE questions until you have answered a few of mine.

I'll wait.

I have

If libs do not want people to make more money for the retirement what other reason could they have other then to make sure they stay right where they are?

Dependent on governemnt for their retirement
 
I have

If libs do not want people to make more money for the retirement what other reason could they have other then to make sure they stay right where they are?

Dependent on governemnt for their retirement

and I answered your "what other reason" question already.

and all you have is the same old shopworn aphorisms and Rush/Hannity/RNC talking points one liners.

I really am growing tired of this...talking with you is just like Br'er Rabbit puncing the tarbaby.
 
and I answered your "what other reason" question already.

and all you have is the same old shopworn aphorisms and Rush/Hannity?RNC talking points one liners.

I really am growing tired of this...talking with you is just like Br'er Rabbit puncing the tarbaby.

Translation - I cannot expalin why Dems are against people making more money to secure their retirement
 
Translation - I cannot expalin why Dems are against people making more money to secure their retirement

translation: I understand that he explained that social security is viewed as a guaranteed retirement safety net and therefore should NOT have any risk associated with it.... and that the option of "making MORE" money carries with it the risk of making LESS..... but I really want to keep spinning this out because I don't have a fucking clue how I am going to get out from under the stupid shit I said in that "surge" thread and the damning data from DoD about US casualties NOT dropping by any percentage, let alone 60%!
 
translation: I understand that he explained that social security is viewed as a guaranteed retirement safety net and therefore should NOT have any risk associated with it.... and that the option of "making MORE" money carries with it the risk of making LESS..... but I really want to keep spinning this out because I don't have a fucking clue how I am going to get out from under the stupid shit I said in that "surge" thread and the damning data from DoD about US casualties NOT dropping by any percentage, let alone 60%!



Here is the REAL reason libs are oppsoed to allowing people to make more money to finance their retirement. To keep people dependent on government and to keep their politcal backers happy



Democrats are united in opposition to private accounts, which they claim would be too costly to implement and too risky a gamble for low-income participants. They are backed by a number of labor-funded groups that also claim private accounts would be a boon for the securities and investment industry, which contributed more than twice as much money to Bush ($8.7 million) than to Democrat John Kerry ($4.3 million) during last yearÂ’s presidential campaign.

Leading the opposition is Americans United to Protect Social Security, a coalition of about 200 left-leaning groups and labor unions that hopes to raise $40 million for the Social Security fight. The group has staged 249 events in 45 states since BushÂ’s State of the Union address, National Journal reported April 4.

Americans United also plans to run advertising in congressional districts throughout the country. Spokesman Brad Woodhouse told National Journal that the group would focus on lawmakers who favor BushÂ’s approach or who are undecided.

"We are going to be on these folks like a bird dog to a quail," Woodhouse said.

Two of the largest labor unions in the country, the AFL-CIO and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, helped to found Americans United. The AFL-CIOÂ’s political action committee and employees contributed $1.5 million to federal candidates and parties in the 2004 election cycle, 93 percent to Democrats. AFSCME contributed $2.1 million in PAC and individual donations, 98 percent to Democrats.

The two unions also were among the biggest donors to so-called 527 groups during the last election cycle. AFSCME contributed $30.3 million and the AFL-CIO sent $11.4 million to Democratic-leaning 527s, which played a big role in trying to defeat Bush last November.

Another major backer of Americans United is the Campaign for AmericaÂ’s Future, a coalition of liberal groups and unions. CAF has partnered with the AFL-CIO and MoveOn.org to stage protests along BushÂ’s campaign route in opposition to private accounts, which the groups call a "scam."

(Full disclosure: Ellen Miller, CAFÂ’s deputy director, currently serves on the board of directors of the Center for Responsive Politics.)

CAF is paying for its Social Security efforts from a 501(c)(4) account, according to its Web site. Groups with such accounts are commonly referred to as "social welfare" organizations and may engage in some level of political activity. They are not required to disclose their contributors. CAF maintained a 527 account during the 2004 election cycle, from which it spent $645,000 to support progressive causes.

Another group opposing private accounts, the Alliance for Retired Americans, spent $160,000 on federal lobbying from January 2003 through December 2004. But the groupÂ’s power is in its membership; the non-profit is associated with 22 unions, including the AFL-CIO, AFSCME and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=162
 
you really are incapable of "debate" aren't you?

Do you have any idea how silly I will feel if you turn out to be some rudimentarily programmed newsbot?
 
RSR: your logic is not backed up with any proof other than your absurd preconceived notions of your reality.
Proceed to the nearest wall and bash your skull please.
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you really are incapable of "debate" aren't you?

Do you have any idea how silly I will feel if you turn out to be some rudimentarily programmed newsbot?

are you surprised the usual liberal groups are opposed to people saving more for retirement?

Their power is on the line and it must be protected at all costs
 
are you surprised the usual liberal groups are opposed to people saving more for retirement?

Their power is on the line and it must be protected at all costs

again...why would anyone be opposed to people saving more? they are not. what they ARE opposed to is injecting risk into what was established as a guaranteed safety net. Why do you find is so hard to address that point?
 
again...why would anyone be opposed to people saving more? they are not. what they ARE opposed to is injecting risk into what was established as a guaranteed safety net. Why do you find is so hard to address that point?

Look stupid I have. I have posted many times people can get a better return in a passbook saving account then they get from SS

SS will not be around in 20 years unless the government raises the taxes thru the roof

Workers and business can not afford to pay the taxes needed

Libs think people are to stupid to invest their own money,and only the government can wisely help finance their retirement
 
Look stupid I have. I have posted many times people can get a better return in a passbook saving account then thee get from SS

SS will not be around in 20 years unless the government raises the taxes thru the roof

Workers and business can not afford to pay the taxes needed

Libs think people are to stupid to invest their own money,and only the government can wisely help finance their retirement

I am not stupid. I don't care what people get from passbooks...I care what will happen to a portion of the SS endowment if it is invested in the stock market. If that happens, an element of risk is injected into system that was designed from the outset to be risk free.

There are many many fixes to the SS system that can be made: upping the retirement age by two years.... upping the maximim contribution level to allow more contributions at higher income levels.... that would keep SS solvent.... we do not need to inject risk into people's safety nets. Folks have 401Ks that they can be risky with... not SS.

and regardless....this is a discussion that is taking place...it is NOT proof that "democrats want to keep voters in poverty" as you have so inanely claimed.
 
I agree with both of these statements


Kathy, to libs, when Republcians win election - the election must have been stolen - or the people were to stupid to understand the complex issues
However, when libs win the election, the people spoke and conservatives need to accept the decison and shut the hell up


unfortunately for both sides, elections are a measure of popularity and not quality.
 
I am not stupid. I don't care what people get from passbooks...I care what will happen to a portion of the SS endowment if it is invested in the stock market. If that happens, an element of risk is injected into system that was designed from the outset to be risk free.

There are many many fixes to the SS system that can be made: upping the retirement age by two years.... upping the maximim contribution level to allow more contributions at higher income levels.... that would keep SS solvent.... we do not need to inject risk into people's safety nets. Folks have 401Ks that they can be risky with... not SS.

and regardless....this is a discussion that is taking place...it is NOT proof that "democrats want to keep voters in poverty" as you have so inanely claimed.

Just as libs said the Bush tax cuts would cripple the US economy - how is allowing the people to invest 2% of their own money int eh stock market going to destroy SS?

SS is running out of money and their is no stopping it

As usual, libs say raise taxes

Now SS was sold as "the amount you get back will be based on what you pay in"

Since you want to soak high income people even more - are you going to increase their benefits?
 
I gave you two simple adjustments that would stop it. Can you not read?

I did stupid - please answer the question I asked


Just as libs said the Bush tax cuts would cripple the US economy - how is allowing the people to invest 2% of their own money in the stock market going to destroy SS?

SS is running out of money and their is no stopping it

As usual, libs say raise taxes

Now SS was sold as "the amount you get back will be based on what you pay in"

Since you want to soak high income people even more - are you going to increase their benefits
 
I did stupid - please answer the question I asked


Just as libs said the Bush tax cuts would cripple the US economy - how is allowing the people to invest 2% of their own money in the stock market going to destroy SS?

SS is running out of money and their is no stopping it

As usual, libs say raise taxes

Now SS was sold as "the amount you get back will be based on what you pay in"

Since you want to soak high income people even more - are you going to increase their benefits

you say that there is no stopping it...I gave you two simple solutions that would stop it...you claim that you "read"them, but you fail to discuss them. WHy is that?
 
you say that there is no stopping it...I gave you two simple solutions that would stop it...you claim that you "read"them, but you fail to discuss them. WHy is that?

You are so dense. You say to raise taxes - are you going to increase the benefits for those who pay more in the system?

One way to save the syatem is to wean people off SS. Let them invest their money and they will not need SS

Libs however need SS to make people dependent on government
 
You are so dense. You say to raise taxes - are you going to increase the benefits for those who pay more in the system?

One way to save the syatem is to wean people off SS. Let them invest their money and they will not need SS

Libs however need SS to make people dependent on government

benefit levels are a political issue that is determined by the political process. All I have ever said was that by raising the eligible wage cut off and by raising the retirement age, that the "crisis" could be averted.

I have said that several generations of Americans have grown up with the idea that SS was a no risk guaranteed safety net source of income. If you introduce risk, you destroy that guarantee.

and please, for the last time, explain how wanting to guarantee the safety net source of income from SS is "WANTING TO KEEP THE VOTERS IN POVERTY"
 

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