How the Founders weighed in on the importance to democracy of virtue.

[berg80]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people.

Not moral degenerates.

 

[The Breeze]

I love these threads, lol!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

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As if the left cult has the slightest understanding of virtue.

I was one of them. I hadn't a clue about what virtue means.

I learned.









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[pknopp]

Virtue to the Founders was something quite different than what I might see as virtuous.

Most had slaves. Jefferson slept with his. Washington took their teeth to make his dentures. Franklin gave advice on taking a mistress.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I love these threads, lol!

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I know it.

They're drive-by threads and we could start counting the number of posters who employ them to give themselves that dopamine hit, but it's a waste of time.

Sad.

The mental institutions are ready to go operational.

11 days to go.


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[berg80]

Virtue to the Founders was something quite different than what I might see as virtuous.

Most had slaves. Jefferson slept with his. Washington took their teeth to make his dentures. Franklin gave advice on taking a mistress.

To our Founding Fathers, it was obvious, or “self-evident,” that self-government, or a democratic republic, could only be perpetuated by the self-governed. Reflecting these precepts, a contemporary German writer to the Founders, J. W. von Goethe, stated: “What is the best government? — That which teaches us to govern ourselves.”[1] And, a later, prominent 19th Century minister, Henry Ward Beecher, simply said: “There is no liberty to men who know not how to govern themselves.”[2] Self-governance consists of self-regulation of our behavior, ambitions and passions. To this end, the Founders fundamentally believed that the ability to govern ourselves rests with our individual and collective virtue (or moral character).

Do you disagree? Do you think trump's re-election reflects poorly on the Americans who voted for him?

 

[theHawk]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

Well that rules out Democrats.

The party of LGBTQ, homosexuality, promiscuous sex, trannies, and pedos.

The party of Big Tech censorship and Big Pharma shills.

The party of open borders, human trafficking and drug trafficking.

The party of Pro-war, meddling in foreign nations’s affairs, and kissing the CCP’s ass.

The party of Slavery, high taxes, and abortion.

 

[Polishprince]

Washington took their teeth to make his dentures.

The historical fact is that President Washington's teeth were whittled out of wood. Not taken from anyone.

 

[pknopp]

To our Founding Fathers, it was obvious, or “self-evident,” that self-government, or a democratic republic, could only be perpetuated by the self-governed. Reflecting these precepts, a contemporary German writer to the Founders, J. W. von Goethe, stated: “What is the best government? — That which teaches us to govern ourselves.”[1] And, a later, prominent 19th Century minister, Henry Ward Beecher, simply said: “There is no liberty to men who know not how to govern themselves.”[2] Self-governance consists of self-regulation of our behavior, ambitions and passions. To this end, the Founders fundamentally believed that the ability to govern ourselves rests with our individual and collective virtue (or moral character).

Do you disagree? Do you think trump's re-election reflects poorly on the Americans who voted for him?

While people knock my Peace/Love/Anarchy pic most don't understand that Anarchy is simply a belief in governing oneself.

 

[pknopp]

The historical fact is that President Washington's teeth were whittled out of wood. Not taken from anyone.

George Washington and Teeth from Enslaved People

Sorry, my mistake. He paid for them. LOL

 

[Thunk]

Notice how none of the quotes from the founders had used the word "democracy"?

Odd OP should put it in the title.

Not to mention ben franklin was nailing the womenz left & right! He was a rock star...young, old, in between...Ben LOVED them all! Twice!

 

[pknopp]

Notice how none of the quotes from the founders had used the word "democracy"?

Odd OP should put it in the title.

Not to mention ben franklin was nailing the womenz left & right! He was a rock star...young, old, in between...Ben LOVED them all! Twice!

It's quite clear that adultery is a carve out when pushing virtue.

 

[Bleipriester]

mushroom shaped unit.

berg, berg, berg. This unit was picked out of desperation.

 

[westwall]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

Sheesh, how long are you going to keep whining?

#YOURBITCHLOST!

 

[MisterBeale]

Disinformation? From commie berg?


SO it ain't so!




I didn't see democracy mentioned in any of the quotes in the OP. Did anyone?





The founders were for a representative republic, but VERY VERY skeptical of pure democracy.

John Adams​

Benjamin Rush​

Elbridge Gerry​

Fisher Ames​

George Washington​

James Madison​

. . . and of course, the left's favorite PR stricken founder;

Alexander Hamilton​

James Madison​

John Jay​

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Sheesh, how long are you going to keep whining?

#YOURBITCHLOST!

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It no longer has hope. The whining will only get more shrill from here on out, until we get them all adequately medicated.


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[berg80]

The party of LGBTQ, homosexuality, promiscuous sex, trannies, and pedos.

Only Dems are gay?

 

[martybegan]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

"Virtue" was one of the qualities Robespierre claimed as he sent hundreds or even thousands to the guillotine, most of them former allies.

 

[Curried Goats]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

They'd be OK with it probably. These were rapists and slavers after all. It's important to remember the when you read their words, plenty of people weren't actually people to them.

 

[berg80]

I didn't see democracy mentioned in any of the quotes in the OP. Did anyone?

Is it your belief the Founders contemplated another form of government besides democracy?