How Soon Do We Forget

[tinydancer]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

We agree on many issues but I beg to differ over the potential result of this lawsuit. Congress has kept the focus very narrow and this is why I believe they will win in the Supreme Court.

In this case, Congress certainly has standing. In this case Obama has broken the law by not executing the law.

Oh and don't forget the SCOTUS has been ***** slapping the President some 13 times in the past two years for his over reach.

Check out this article. Here's a bit and it's laid out well.

Pundits with incorrect analyses make three wrong objections: (1) Congress does not have legal “standing” to be the plaintiff to bring a successful lawsuit. (2) The Courts are reluctant to get involved in disputes between Congress and the Executive Branch. (3) Congress has other tools and Boehner is off-base using a lawsuit instead of direct powers of Congress.


The lawyer who wrote this piece refutes all of these wrong objections. Again. Worth the read.

And then he hits it home with this. The high court can decide whether his EO's are legal. And hey, the SCOTUS have really been killing Obama on his over reach.

But Boehner’s lawsuit seeks to challenge Obama’s executive orders which fundamentally conflict with laws passed by Congress.

Whether an executive order is legally valid is something courts will have no hesitation deciding.

And this is why the lawsuit is brilliant and far better than impeachment.

Ta da!!!!! Their ruling will stand forever.

It makes no sense to demand the drastic step of impeachment, which is highly unlikely to succeed. Furthermore, a Supreme Court precedent would be binding on future presidents. Impeaching one president would not prevent the next president from the same violation.

Articles: Boehner's Brilliant Lawsuit

 

[Derideo_Te]

So, what does that have to do with this thread? Given that I have 21 million rep points and am a contributing member here, I'd say I made my own leeway.

You gave your thread an open ended name which means it could apply to anything. You then deflected to PoliticalTorch who hasn't even posted in this thread so you opened the door.

You were given 21k by other posters, TK just as I was given my rep by other posters. That doesn't give me the leeway to dump on a noob as a way to deflect from my own shortcomings.

Nor does it give you any leeway to derail the thread. Torch makes himself a target. If you have anything intelligent to add, I suggest you do it.

Thank you for conceding your position. I will leave you to your thread. Have a nice day.

/unsubscribe

 

[Mojo2]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

Great points.

Great OP.

Unhelpful thread title.

 

[tinydancer]

Is that turd still unemployed?

What the **** is up with this bullshit? What difference does it make to the thread if a poster is employed or not?

Cripes are all you left wing whackos on the rag these days?

 

[Mojo2]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

Then why are the Republicans in a headlong stampede away from the calls for impeaching Obama?

Maybe the timing is wrong.

Pushing for impeachment without having any possibility of getting enough votes would be counter productive.

The GOP may be waiting until after the fall elections...when they will likely have a majority in the House & the Senate.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You gave your thread an open ended name which means it could apply to anything. You then deflected to PoliticalTorch who hasn't even posted in this thread so you opened the door.

You were given 21k by other posters, TK just as I was given my rep by other posters. That doesn't give me the leeway to dump on a noob as a way to deflect from my own shortcomings.

Nor does it give you any leeway to derail the thread. Torch makes himself a target. If you have anything intelligent to add, I suggest you do it.

Thank you for conceding your position. I will leave you to your thread. Have a nice day.

/unsubscribe

Bye. Thanks for the strawmen, I'll be sure to burn them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Is that turd still unemployed?

What the **** is up with this bullshit? What difference does it make to the thread if a poster is employed or not?

Cripes are all you left wing whackos on the rag these days?

Don't worry about it. There are reasons why I don't respond to them. Nothing but ad hominem.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

Great points.

Great OP.

Unhelpful thread title.

Well the others I considered would have gotten this thread moved. There is a method to the madness.

 

[aaronleland]

Is that turd still unemployed?

What the **** is up with this bullshit? What difference does it make to the thread if a poster is employed or not?

Cripes are all you left wing whackos on the rag these days?

Don't worry about it. There are reasons why I don't respond to them. Nothing but ad hominem.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm still alive cheeseburgerboy!

 

[tinydancer]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

Then why are the Republicans in a headlong stampede away from the calls for impeaching Obama?

Because those who have been calling for impeachment at this point in time are wrong to do so.

It would make no difference whatsoever. Nothing would be accomplished by it. And it's nice to see some come to their senses.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In 2006, Rep Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), in her last act as a congresswoman introduced a bill to impeach President Bush, however it was merely a symbolic gesture, as it had no chance of passing. The the newly elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also warned against "making hay over impeachment."

Again, on June 10, 2008, a bill introducing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush was put forward by Democrat Dennis Kucinich, named H. Res 1258. Rep Sheila Jackson Lee also just today claimed "Democrats never tried to impeach Bush," however, she co-sponsored H. Res 1258.

So Republicans wanting to impeach the president isn't specifically exclusive to them. Democrats during Bush's entire presidency attempted to introduce legislation to impeach him. How soon do people forget that Democrats were trying to pull the same stunts all that time ago that they are railing on Republicans for doing.

As for suing the president, Democrats on two occasions attempted to sue a sitting president, once in 1970 to stop President Nixon from bombing Cambodia (Operation Menu), and in 2007 over President Bush's initiation of the Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom). I will point out that the attempt in 1970 failed, because the courts made it clear congress lacked standing. They said that they could not sue the president for want of failing to get a specific issue through the legislative process. This is why the Republican lawsuit will fail as well.

Oh, how soon do we forget.

Then why are the Republicans in a headlong stampede away from the calls for impeaching Obama?

Because those who have been calling for impeachment at this point in time are wrong to do so.

It would make no difference whatsoever. Nothing would be accomplished by it. And it's nice to see some come to their senses.

The Republicans are trying to get the crazy talk of impeachment off the table going into the election. That's all there is to it.

The worthwhile takeaway is how many rightwingers get their impeachment calls now firmly defined AS crazy talk.

That would include about a hundred or so USMB RWnuts.

 

[candycorn]

Is that turd still unemployed?

What the **** is up with this bullshit? What difference does it make to the thread if a poster is employed or not?

So, is that a yes?