How much of what you believe would you still believe if no one taught it to you?

[1srelluc]

OP is sure coming up with a lot of weak horse shit lately.

I mean who really gives a shit about all that? Those who are failures in life?

You were born and raised a certain way, then you left home and set yourself upon a learning curve and made a life of it...or not.

Maybe the OP is like Mongo.

 

[Anomalism]

Because I believe limits govern everything in this universe. The laws of physics and entropy. Even light itself has a speed limit.

Unfettered freedom is chaos.

You're equating existential freedom with cosmic law, but they're not the same. You're trying to anchor your fear in physics.

You're absolutely right that the universe has laws, but those are physical constraints, not psychological ones. There’s no law of physics that says you have to think the way your culture taught you, or believe what your parents believed, or carry assumptions you've never examined. Freedom doesn’t mean chaos. It means choice. Chaos is reacting blindly. Freedom is when you finally know why you believe what you believe, because you chose it, not because it was baked in.

A mind running inherited programs may feel safe, but it’s not free. Do you want safety, or sovereignty?

 

[GLASNOST]

How much of what you believe would you still believe if no one taught it to you?​

How much would I not believe if it didn't exist? Do you know what eftromatricium is? No, you don't, and you never will until I tell you.

 

[Anomalism]

Define 'freedom.'

Freedom is inner sovereignty.

Freedom isn’t doing whatever you want. It’s knowing why you want it. Freedom is the ability to separate yourself from what you were handed and ask if it's truly yours. Most people never do that. They confuse obedience with stability, and fear with wisdom. Real freedom means you're not reacting from programming you didn’t choose. You're not just a product of your upbringing, your culture, or your past pain.

Freedom is clarity of self. Not chaos, but conscious authorship. It's the space between instinct and action where you finally get to decide who you are.

 

[Anomalism]

Noticing is the first step to rebuilding. Most people never get past that. They live inside their own created narrative. Tell me honestly, what were you thinking about when you took that breath?

I noticed how quickly the mind wants to fill the space. Even in silence, it scrambles for narrative, identity, something familiar. That breath felt like a moment of possibility. The stillness forces you to notice what's usually automatic, and once you notice, you can’t unsee it.

That’s the point, right? Most people never step outside their internal monologue long enough to realize it’s not them. It’s a loop. A survival echo. Once you do notice, what are you willing to do about it?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You're equating existential freedom with cosmic law, but they're not the same. You're trying to anchor your fear in physics.

Because if there are limits on the most powerful forces in the universe, there are naturally limits on personal freedom.

 

[Anomalism]

For me, there's a difference. I don't fear freedom, I fear unlimited freedom. A person operating on unlimited freedom will eventually destroy themselves and/or others.

Unlimited freedom without awareness or responsibility is dangerous. Here’s the thing though; most of us never even get close to that edge. We’re not being wrecked by too much freedom. We’re stuck in inherited limits we’ve never examined. What I’m talking about isn’t chaos; it’s clarity. The courage to ask which boundaries protect us, and which ones just keep us small. Real freedom isn’t about doing anything; it’s about knowing what’s yours to do.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You're absolutely right that the universe has laws, but those are physical constraints, not psychological ones.

We are part of this universe, my friend. We are governed by its limits.

 

[Anomalism]

There is no freedom without limits.

Whose limits? Who set them? Why do they remain? If freedom only exists within limits, then the most important thing we can ever do is audit those limits to figure out which ones are wise and earned, and which ones are just inherited fences we’ve mistaken for foundations.

 

[Anomalism]

Because if there are limits on the most powerful forces in the universe, there are naturally limits on personal freedom.

Gravity doesn’t tell you who to trust. Light speed doesn’t decide what kind of man you’ll be. The universe has limits, but most of yours were taught. You weren’t born afraid of being too free. You were taught to be, and somewhere along the way, that fear got dressed up as wisdom. Maybe there are wise limits, but until you question them, how do you know the difference between a boundary and a leash?

 

[Leo123]

Freedom is inner sovereignty.

Freedom isn’t doing whatever you want. It’s knowing why you want it. Freedom is the ability to separate yourself from what you were handed and ask if it's truly yours. Most people never do that. They confuse obedience with stability, and fear with wisdom. Real freedom means you're not reacting from programming you didn’t choose. You're not just a product of your upbringing, your culture, or your past pain.

Freedom is clarity of self. Not chaos, but conscious authorship. It's the space between instinct and action where you finally get to decide who you are.

Thoughtful post, thank you. I define inner sovereignty as the recognition of what is useless thinking but not necessarily acting on it. It's there, however, you have the freedom to put it aside, ignore or even bring it forth if you need it. Recognizing all these rules, etc. does not mean one has to act.

I do things not knowing the outcome but it's always a gamble and sometimes gambling pays off big and, sometimes it's a lesson. I have the freedom to choose unless forced and I also have the freedom to fail BIG.

 

[Anomalism]

We are part of this universe, my friend. We are governed by its limits.

We are part of the universe, but don’t confuse gravity with guilt. The speed of light doesn’t dictate how you define love, or purpose, or morality. Physics might shape your bones, but it doesn’t choose your beliefs. That’s learned, inherited, and absorbed, and often untested. If you never question those internal limits, then you’re not obeying natural law.

You’re just wearing a leash and calling it gravity.

 

[Leo123]

Whose limits? Who set them? Why do they remain? If freedom only exists within limits, then the most important thing we can ever do is audit those limits to figure out which ones are wise and earned, and which ones are just inherited fences we’ve mistaken for foundations.

A single cell has limits. It could not function without them. And, I agree with you, some limits are good, some bad.

 

[Anomalism]

Thoughtful post, thank you. I define inner sovereignty as the recognition of what is useless thinking but not necessarily acting on it. It's there, however, you have the freedom to put it aside, ignore or even bring it forth if you need it. Recognizing all these rules, etc. does not mean one has to act.

I do things not knowing the outcome but it's always a gamble and sometimes gambling pays off big and, sometimes it's a lesson. I have the freedom to choose unless forced and I also have the freedom to fail BIG.

The dangerous part isn’t failure; it’s acting from a self you’ve never examined. Most people don’t gamble with full awareness. They just repeat patterns and call it choice. They inherit instincts, act them out, and then justify the results. When you create that space between instinct and action, you unlock something rare: authorship. That’s the core of inner sovereignty. Not just the freedom to act, but the awareness to ask “Whose voice is this, and do I still want it shaping my life?”

 

[TemplarKormac]

Gravity doesn’t tell you who to trust. Light speed doesn’t decide what kind of man you’ll be. The universe has limits, but most of yours were taught. You weren’t born afraid of being too free. You were taught to be, and somewhere along the way, that fear got dressed up as wisdom. Maybe there are wise limits, but until you question them, how do you know the difference between a boundary and a leash?

What I'm getting at is that we exist as part of nature. We like to think we are masters of it, but we aren't. Nature governs us.

Nature, by definition, includes the overall universe we exist in. Nature has limits, and thusly so do we. If there are limits to the broader universe, there are limits to us, to our actions. Our emotions, our thoughts, our decisions. How much air we breathe, our personal tolerances, how we treat others, how we deal with what we perceive as good and evil—that sort of thing.

 

[Anomalism]

A single cell has limits. It could not function without them. And, I agree with you, some limits are good, some bad.

Yes. Limits are not the enemy, but unexamined limits are. A cell has limits because they serve its function, but many of our psychological, cultural, and personal limits were inherited by accident, not intention. They weren’t built to protect our wholeness. They were built to control, to conform, or just passed down like furniture nobody questions. That’s why the audit matters. It’s not rebellion for the sake of chaos. It’s clarity for the sake of alignment.

The difference between a prison and a sanctuary is whether you chose the walls yourself.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The universe has limits, but most of yours were taught. You weren’t born afraid of being too free. You were taught to be, and somewhere along the way, that fear got dressed up as wisdom.

No, I wasn't born being afraid of unfettered freedom. But I do understand what things without limits can do. Both good and bad.

 

[Leo123]

We are part of the universe, but don’t confuse gravity with guilt. The speed of light doesn’t dictate how you define love, or purpose, or morality. Physics might shape your bones, but it doesn’t choose your beliefs. That’s learned, inherited, and absorbed, and often untested. If you never question those internal limits, then you’re not obeying natural law.

You’re just wearing a leash and calling it gravity.

Some people create their own Hell and call it 'home.'

 

[TemplarKormac]

Hm... Let me rephrase this. Freedom has an upper limit. I fear pushing the envelope.

 

[Anomalism]

What I'm getting at is that we exist as part of nature. We like to think we are masters of it, but we aren't. Nature governs us.

Nature, by definition, includes the overall universe we exist in. Nature has limits, and thusly so do we. If there are limits to the broader universe, there are limits to us, to our actions. Our emotions, our thoughts, our decisions. How much air we breathe, our personal tolerances, how we treat others, how we deal with what we perceive as good and evil—that sort of thing.

Nature governs us physically, but that’s exactly why it’s so important to make a distinction. Gravity doesn’t care who you trust. Your lungs don’t care what you believe. Nature has limits, but most of our mental, moral, and emotional limits were taught to us, not embedded in our biology.

How many of the beliefs, fears, values, and boundaries you live by were chosen consciously, and how many were just handed to you before you could say no? Nature gives us physics and culture gives us programming. Freedom isn’t about defying nature; it’s about recognizing what’s not nature, but feels as absolute as gravity.