How many blame republicans?

[Care4all]

Haha, then go ahead and prove her point wrong!

The numbers were a bit scewed when clinton left office so there wasn't a surplus
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

That's odd, then why did Bush Jr. say in his first economic speech to Congress (February 2001) that he intended to take the "surplus" and give it back to the people? The budget surplus was $236 billion (however you, and Limbaugh, wish to spin it) and was done through a series of tax increases and spending cuts (just what Republicans SHOULD be advocating now, instead of just the latter).

actually the republicans touted that there was a $5 TRILLION 10 year projected surplus and they wanted to give it back to the tax payers because it was theirs.

They took the Social security projected surplus and GAVE the majority of it TO THE WEALTHIEST who do not pay SS tax on their entire earnings...only on about 95k at the time, IF they pay any AT ALL...
they should have taken the SS surplus money and given an SS tax break not an income tax break, it was SS surpluses ya know?
REVERSE ROBINHOOD.... imo.

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm not partial to either party when it comes to blame. Just because Dems have been in control the majority of the time doesn't mean that the Repubs are blameless ...... a serious discussion about the facts would also show just how hard the Repubs fought against the policies that have brought this country to their needs. Check the voting records to see how many Repubs went along with the Dems who were in power.

So, I blame anyone of either party, regardless of which was in power ....that voted, sponsored, or supported the ungodly spending programs we have now.

I do appreciate your attempt to get the facts out there.....perhaps you can show the vote breakdowns.

I didn't see Republicans working too hard against the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, which was their Socialist baby. An unfunded mandate, by the way, to the tune of $700 billion and more the longer it stays on the books. At least "Obamacare" attempts to get it paid for over time, and if it doesn't, well...it will just have to be hacked to pieces, won't it.

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm not partial to either party when it comes to blame. Just because Dems have been in control the majority of the time doesn't mean that the Repubs are blameless ...... a serious discussion about the facts would also show just how hard the Repubs fought against the policies that have brought this country to their needs. Check the voting records to see how many Repubs went along with the Dems who were in power.

So, I blame anyone of either party, regardless of which was in power ....that voted, sponsored, or supported the ungodly spending programs we have now.

I do appreciate your attempt to get the facts out there.....perhaps you can show the vote breakdowns.

You're welcomed, if you noticed I never said that the Republicans are blamless
Where shall we begin on the vote numbers? Starting with welfare? Public housing? free money give aways to those who will not work? Social Security and who first took the money and used it for something else?

Edit:
Forgot to mention about grants to groups like ACORN, who voted to give them money?

You just gave yourself away as being nothing more than a typical hack.

 

[MaggieMae]

Two faces on the same counterfeit coin.

The point is Republicans are being blamed for what they did not do.

libturds have pointed heads. they rarely get the point, they wander off into the abstract.

I see you've made a new friend, Elmer.

 

[namvet]

It is amazing how much havoc the republicans were able to wreck in the short time they had control, eh?

Problem is they haven't been in a position to wreck havoc for over 4 years and said havoc didn't take place until 07. [check the dates on the banking and housing crisis]

So....who's to blame for our economy??? Congress. The President doesn't set banking regulations....Congress does. Who spends money from the Treasury....Congress. Who's to blame for all of the hell that broke loose in 08'?

Those who've been in charge since Jan 07'

Democraps in Congress.

Sure, since 2007. Nobody with half a brain buys that, genius.

USATODAY.com - Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for Federal Housing Administration loans.

You can find his speeches on that in many places. Feel free to search for yourself. Although the house of cards came crashing down on Democrats' watch, it took many years building to the crescendo, my friend. These events didn't happen as a result of only one year of Democratic control. You continue to be easy to dumb down:

The Financial Crisis Timeline

your bucket has a hole in it.........................or two

[youtube]cMnSp4qEXNM[/youtube]

[youtube]_MGT_cSi7Rs[/youtube]

the craps are covering up for ACORN which got the cheap or free loans and have been for years​

 

[MaggieMae]

The President cannot do anything about spending Congress holds the purse dtrings and they are the ones who controls the money. The President can do one thing, ask for money.

....AND, signs-off or vetos new legislation!!! I guess you hadn't heard about that.

​

Using your logic, am I to assume you would blame the democrats if the Republicans controlled the government for 50+ years?

Ah, yes....those magic-hypotheticals....when reality becomes much-too inconvenient.

​

But the president can't vote oin anything unless it's passed by Ccongress. I guess you didn't realize that fact?
An incovenat truth is what peoiple like you are so upset about. You are upset that trhe point has been made that the democrats have controlled the government for 50+ years, now you are trying to devert the facts. Please try again.

Money for spending bills enacted is approved by the House Appropriations Committee. The President doesn't "vote" on anything. He signs the bill, period. If they don't or can't appropriate the funds, often the enacted bill remains in limbo with a signing statement attached.

 

[Care4all]

I'm not partial to either party when it comes to blame. Just because Dems have been in control the majority of the time doesn't mean that the Repubs are blameless ...... a serious discussion about the facts would also show just how hard the Repubs fought against the policies that have brought this country to their needs. Check the voting records to see how many Repubs went along with the Dems who were in power.

So, I blame anyone of either party, regardless of which was in power ....that voted, sponsored, or supported the ungodly spending programs we have now.

I do appreciate your attempt to get the facts out there.....perhaps you can show the vote breakdowns.

I didn't see Republicans working too hard against the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, which was their Socialist baby. An unfunded mandate, by the way, to the tune of $700 billion and more the longer it stays on the books. At least "Obamacare" attempts to get it paid for over time, and if it doesn't, well...it will just have to be hacked to pieces, won't it.

Near every democrat in the House of representatives voted AGAINST IT....

This WAS THE REPUBLICAN medicare pill bill, NOT the democratic.

May I remind you, the House kept a 15 minute vote that came to the NO VOTES winning, opened for 3 HOURS so that they could twist republican congressmen that voted against it to change their vote to yes.... it took them 3 hours to bribe and twist arms until they finally had enough votes to pass the bill....

and that republican congressman Billy Tauzine who was in charge of the bill let PHARMA write it and also LOCKED Democrats out of the negotiations...AND Tauzine quit after he got his bill passed and went to WORK FOR PHARMA with a multi million dollar salary....for him getting PHARMA'S bill passed with no ability to negotiate with foreign countries and no ability to negotiate for bulk discounts....

 

[MaggieMae]

No matter how many years you point out that "Democrats controlled the house and the Senate", doesn't change the fact that we invaded another country based on a "feeling" and the Republican leadership had to lie to the American people and shame Democrats with faux patriotism to do it.

It doesn't change the fact that Republicans deregulated Mining and Oil "safety" just to make a few more bucks.

It doesn't change the fact that he Republicans passed a back-breaking drug bill merely to "shore up" the votes of the elderly.

Republicans, time and again have put "party politics" over the good of the nation.

There is no way around. No denying it. No pretending it's someone else's "disaster".

Big reb.....meet Rdean....he will set you straight on this.....this guy knows more about Republicans ,Conservatives,Righties....whatever you wanna call em.....this is our resident expert on these guys.....AND he is totally not biased at all....

Notice my reply to him and yes I know I have a few misspelled words but I do that when I get excited.

That's not a pretty picture. With a few exceptions, we all stay pretty calm here.

 

[WillowTree]

Problem is they haven't been in a position to wreck havoc for over 4 years and said havoc didn't take place until 07. [check the dates on the banking and housing crisis]

So....who's to blame for our economy??? Congress. The President doesn't set banking regulations....Congress does. Who spends money from the Treasury....Congress. Who's to blame for all of the hell that broke loose in 08'?

Those who've been in charge since Jan 07'

Democraps in Congress.

Sure, since 2007. Nobody with half a brain buys that, genius.

USATODAY.com - Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for Federal Housing Administration loans.

You can find his speeches on that in many places. Feel free to search for yourself. Although the house of cards came crashing down on Democrats' watch, it took many years building to the crescendo, my friend. These events didn't happen as a result of only one year of Democratic control. You continue to be easy to dumb down:

The Financial Crisis Timeline

your bucket has a hole in it.........................or two

[youtube]cMnSp4qEXNM[/youtube]

[youtube]_MGT_cSi7Rs[/youtube]

the craps are covering up for ACORN which got the cheap or free loans and have been for years​

pointy headed libturds

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I have a feeling you're not going to be someone I can have a conversation with. You dopey conservatives give the other 2% a bad name.

Is there something incorrect that I may have said? Or is it the truth that you hate to see?

Yes, yes that's what it is. You're so utterly profound that my whole ideological views are blown, and I'm having trouble coping. You got it Potsie.

Here with go with the name calling "Potsie" when all arguements fail resort to name calling.
If by chance you are correct and I have stated something incorrectly I challenge you to point out the misinformation.

 

[namvet]

I'm not partial to either party when it comes to blame. Just because Dems have been in control the majority of the time doesn't mean that the Repubs are blameless ...... a serious discussion about the facts would also show just how hard the Repubs fought against the policies that have brought this country to their needs. Check the voting records to see how many Repubs went along with the Dems who were in power.

So, I blame anyone of either party, regardless of which was in power ....that voted, sponsored, or supported the ungodly spending programs we have now.

I do appreciate your attempt to get the facts out there.....perhaps you can show the vote breakdowns.

I didn't see Republicans working too hard against the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, which was their Socialist baby. An unfunded mandate, by the way, to the tune of $700 billion and more the longer it stays on the books. At least "Obamacare" attempts to get it paid for over time, and if it doesn't, well...it will just have to be hacked to pieces, won't it.

and the craps??? they sit on their ass's and picked their noses while seniors finally got prescrip drug relief. what's left for you boy to do??? elim the doughnut hole. BIG FUCKIN' DEAL !!!

and no granny mae you can't get your cocaine and and blow on prescripts

 

[rdean]

You need to open your mind past 2001 what has happen didn't start when Bush became President. Look to Carter and their you will find your answer.

Edit:
No you did just reply with:
Republicans, time and again have put "party politics" over the good of the nation.
Open your eyes look at what the democrats have done the past two years.
Pushed a health care law on America that didn't want it. Now they want to open the boarder and get citizenship to Mexicans. Why are they wanting to do that when so many Americans are out of work. Why are democrats wanting to give jobs and citizenship to mexicans? FOR THE VOTE. If they can't do thius then they are out. Country before partyy? don't make me laugh.

Open the border to Mexico? Who wants to do that? That's why it's nearly impossible to debate with Republicans. Next you'll be screaming about "death panels" and "kill grandma". Republicans will believe anything except the truth.

And America did want a "health care bill". When you have millions of Americans using "emergency rooms" as their primary source of "health care", it's no wonder the nation is going bankrupt. The majority of Americans wanted the Single Payer Option. It's Republicans, working for their corporate masters, who sunk that with lies of Death Panels and other nonsense. Don't get me started, unlike Republicans, I put up links and evidence and real statistics. Republicans just ******* LIE. It's all they know.

I posted it before, the average cost to visiting a doctor, anywhere from $60 to $200 dollars (depending on the doctor). The average cost of visiting the emergency room: $600 and if you are over forty, $1050.

Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer – Healthcare-NOW!

(Note, the healthcare now poll came from the non-partisan CBS poll)

The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.”

Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.

Poll: Most Look To A Rosier Future - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

I am glad you responded now I can address the other misinformation you posted with a clear head:

1:It doesn't change the fact that Republicans deregulated Mining and Oil "safety" just to make a few more bucks.
ABC News has learned that in the 16 months from January 2009 through April 2010 MMS failed to inspect Deepwater Horizon four times – in May 2009, August 2009, December 2009, and January 2010.
Federal Regulator Repeatedly Failed to Inspect Deepwater Horizon ? Including for One-Quarter of Obama Presidency - Political Punch
Who was in control of the government in 2009 through 2010?

I love the way Republicans insist that everything is now "Obama's" after a mere 500 days. The Republican/Bush administration spent 8 years tearing down this country. Two wars, letting Bin Laden go scott free, the Katrina aftermath, the Justice Department scandal, all the scientists who quit because the Bush administration tried to force them to change data to match Administration policy, the economy. There is nothing Bush/Republicans didn't touch that didn't turn to shit.
And now, when Obama is left this enormous mess, the "Filibuster Republicans" want to blame Obama for their disastrous legacy. After the mine disaster, I wrote that would the first of many. Obama just hasn't had the time to fix all the Republican mess. Republicans cracked the foundation of America with their deregulation and disastrous policies. How was Obama to know that all the people Republicans left in positions of authority are scum and on the take? And what are Republicans doing now to help the country? To help clean up their mess? Fillibuster.

2:It doesn't change the fact that he Republicans passed a back-breaking drug bill merely to "shore up" the votes of the elderly.
No justifcation for this

Justifcation? Where have you been? The Republican Drug give a way is considered one of the most irresponsible bills in US History.

Republican Deficit Hypocrisy - Forbes.com

Recall the situation in 2003. The Bush administration was already projecting the largest deficit in American history--$475 billion in fiscal year 2004, according to the July 2003 mid-session budget review. But a big election was coming up that Bush and his party were desperately fearful of losing. So they decided to win it by buying the votes of America's seniors by giving them an expensive new program to pay for their prescription drugs.

Just to be clear, the Medicare drug benefit was a pure giveaway with a gross cost greater than either the House or Senate health reform bills how being considered. Together the new bills would cost roughly $900 billion over the next 10 years, while Medicare Part D will cost $1 trillion.

Moreover, there is a critical distinction--the drug benefit had no dedicated financing, no offsets and no revenue-raisers; 100% of the cost simply added to the federal budget deficit, whereas the health reform measures now being debated will be paid for with a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, adding nothing to the deficit over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. (See here for the Senate bill estimate and here for the House bill.)

3:There is no way around. No denying it. No pretending it's someone else's "disaster

This I have already address.

4:Open the border to Mexico? Who wants to do that?
Why is obama not enforcing the current laws? Why has he shund the governors of Arizona, and Texas when they requested help with the problems with the border? Why is there a rush to give citizenship to illegal from mexico?
The Obama Administration is pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Time to Stop the Rush for "Amnesty" Immigration Reform | The Heritage Foundation

Hello!
Bush (president 8 ******* years) is from TEXAS and McCain (senator for ******* decades) from ARIZONA and yet IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT??????????

This is why Republicans are insane.

5: (Note, the healthcare now poll came from the non-partisan CBS poll)

CBS non-partisan poll? You need to step away from the pitcher of koolaid.
Take your pick as to which poll you want to use.
Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

Go back and take a look at your chart. Until Republicans went ALL OUT accusing Obama "death panels" and "wanting to kill grandma", the American people for FOR health care reform. IT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS OBAMA WAS ELECTED. But remember, this was to be his "Waterloo". They wanted Obama to "Fail".

But the white wing lies and slander take their toll and the "so called" liberal media has ALWAYS been in the pocket of white wing conservatives. For every Chris Mathews, you have a David Gregory who is really very far right, but undercover.

Senate Republicans: Filibuster everything to win in November? | McClatchy

And just to show the seediness, the hypocrisy, here is the FULL TEXT of "Healthcare Decisions Day" by Govenor Sarah Palin. This is what Palin accused Obama of creating "death panels". Oh those Republicans. Dirty Deceitfull. Liars and hypocrites.


WHEREAS, Healthcare Decisions Day is designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions. WHEREAS, in Alaska, Alaska Statute 13.52 provides the specifics of the advance directives law and offers a model form for patient use.

WHEREAS, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of people in Alaska have executed an advance directive. Moreover, it is estimated that less than 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients have an advance directive.

WHEREAS, it is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about Advance Directives.

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska's citizens with advance directives.

WHEREAS, the Foundation for End of Life Care in Juneau, Alaska, and other organizations throughout the United States have endorsed this event and are committed to educating the public about the importance of discussing healthcare choices and executing advance directives.

WHEREAS, as a result of April 16, 2008, being recognized as Healthcare Decisions Day in Alaska, more citizens will have conversations about their healthcare decisions; more citizens will execute advance directives to make their wishes known; and fewer families and healthcare providers will have to struggle with making difficult healthcare decisions in the absence of guidance from the patient.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the state of Alaska, do hereby proclaim April 16, 2008, as: Healthcare Decisions Day in Alaska, and I call this observance to the attention of all our citizens.

Dated: April 16, 2008

 

[MaggieMae]

...bigrednincompoop1775, you sound like another stooooooopid **** republicrat who imagines some important difference between 'conservatives' (mostly republicans, admit it, you stooopid ****) and 'liberals' (mostly democrats..admit it, you stoooooopid ****)

...as one wag puts it, 'until these goddamned republicrat fools know what 'a dollar' is, their thoughts about 'politics' are largely pure shit'...

OMG I have two things for you
1: Since you cannot discuss the information with lkogic leads me to believe that you are versed in the school of Alinsky you are playing rule 5 "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
And violating rule 2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.
2:

Bring it on...

Newsflash: In case you haven't noticed, the Republicans (Boehner, McConnel Inc.) obviously keep a copy of Alinsky's rules handy in their pockets at all times. On Dick Armey's website, he practically quotes from it as he instructs tea partiers what to do and how to act.

Listen to Limbaugh much? Everything (EVERYTHING!!) you've said here parrots him.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sure, since 2007. Nobody with half a brain buys that, genius.

USATODAY.com - Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for Federal Housing Administration loans.

You can find his speeches on that in many places. Feel free to search for yourself. Although the house of cards came crashing down on Democrats' watch, it took many years building to the crescendo, my friend. These events didn't happen as a result of only one year of Democratic control. You continue to be easy to dumb down:

The Financial Crisis Timeline

your bucket has a hole in it.........................or two

[youtube]cMnSp4qEXNM[/youtube]

[youtube]_MGT_cSi7Rs[/youtube]

the craps are covering up for ACORN which got the cheap or free loans and have been for years​

pointy headed libturds

That was my next piece of evidence Dang you.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm not partial to either party when it comes to blame. Just because Dems have been in control the majority of the time doesn't mean that the Repubs are blameless ...... a serious discussion about the facts would also show just how hard the Repubs fought against the policies that have brought this country to their needs. Check the voting records to see how many Repubs went along with the Dems who were in power.

So, I blame anyone of either party, regardless of which was in power ....that voted, sponsored, or supported the ungodly spending programs we have now.

I do appreciate your attempt to get the facts out there.....perhaps you can show the vote breakdowns.

I didn't see Republicans working too hard against the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan, which was their Socialist baby. An unfunded mandate, by the way, to the tune of $700 billion and more the longer it stays on the books. At least "Obamacare" attempts to get it paid for over time, and if it doesn't, well...it will just have to be hacked to pieces, won't it.

Near every democrat in the House of representatives voted AGAINST IT....

This WAS THE REPUBLICAN medicare pill bill, NOT the democratic.

May I remind you, the House kept a 15 minute vote that came to the NO VOTES winning, opened for 3 HOURS so that they could twist republican congressmen that voted against it to change their vote to yes.... it took them 3 hours to bribe and twist arms until they finally had enough votes to pass the bill....

and that republican congressman Billy Tauzine who was in charge of the bill let PHARMA write it and also LOCKED Democrats out of the negotiations...AND Tauzine quit after he got his bill passed and went to WORK FOR PHARMA with a multi million dollar salary....for him getting PHARMA'S bill passed with no ability to negotiate with foreign countries and no ability to negotiate for bulk discounts....

got a link to the votes?

 

[Oddball]

Near every democrat in the House of representatives voted AGAINST IT....

This WAS THE REPUBLICAN medicare pill bill, NOT the democratic.

May I remind you, the House kept a 15 minute vote that came to the NO VOTES winning, opened for 3 HOURS so that they could twist republican congressmen that voted against it to change their vote to yes.... it took them 3 hours to bribe and twist arms until they finally had enough votes to pass the bill....

and that republican congressman Billy Tauzine who was in charge of the bill let PHARMA write it and also LOCKED Democrats out of the negotiations...AND Tauzine quit after he got his bill passed and went to WORK FOR PHARMA with a multi million dollar salary....for him getting PHARMA'S bill passed with no ability to negotiate with foreign countries and no ability to negotiate for bulk discounts....

Ironic, since the repubs stole Medicare D from the democrats, isn't it?

 

[MaggieMae]

I have been a member of this board for less then a day and I have read a few misinformed replies about blaming the republicans for all that is wrong with this country. I am here to set the record straight.


Since 1945 the democrats have controlled the house all but 7 times

From 1949 to 1993 the Democrats have controlled the house.
= 44years

2006 until the present the Democrats have controlled the house.
=4 years

Democrats controlled the senate
1945,
1949,
1951
1955
1957
1959
1961
1963
1965
1967
1969
1971
1973
1975
1977
1979
=32years

Also I will add that the democrats control both house and senate from
1955-1979
= 24 years

and from1987-1993
= 6 years
And in 2001 the democrats controlled the senate
= 2years


Years Democrats controlled White House and Congress[/B]
1945
1949
1951
1961
1963
1965
1967
1977
1979
1993
1995
1997
1999
2009
= 28 years


The Repoublicans controlled the Senate
1947
1953
1981
1983
1985
1995
1997
1999
2003
2005
= 20years

the Republicans had controlled the house
1995
1997
1999
2001
2003
2005
=12years

Years Republican controlled the White House and Congress
2003
2005
=4years
And here is a look at each year
Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008

For 50 years or more BOTH repubs and dems have conspired to ruin America- mass third world immigration, dismantling/export of USA industry, destruction of family life thru the medium of feminism and the welfare state ably aided by state sponorship of rampant homosexuality and abortion, the endless useless wars consuming lives and treasure, periodic acts of state terrorism designed to keep the masses fearful and obedient............

Kissin' cousins, I see...Your name ID and his signature.

 

[Immanuel]

Okay, I have been trying to decide whether or not I should even bother getting into this thread, but decided I may as well.

I have to ask... blame Republicans for what?

If you think I am going to take your OP and say, you are right the blame lies on Democrats, you have another thing coming. My personal feeling is that the blame lies on both parties regardless of who had control at any given time and for how long. The fact is, in my opinion, that there is not a lot of difference in whether or not a politician is a Republican or a Democrats. They still want our freedoms the only difference is which freedom do they want to take first.

So you tell me what issue(s) are you talking about, but don't expect me to say, I blame only this or that party for most of the issues as blame lies more in the politicians rather than the parties.

Immie

 

[MaggieMae]

Agreed but it does seem that the democrats have had more time to screw things up then the Republicans have. Don't get me wrong the Republicans aren't prefect but lets not fool ourself the democrats have controlled the government more then the republicans have.

let's look at foreign policy and military intervention...

I think that most folks will agree that the two biggest misadventures in that category over the last fifty years or so have been Vietnam and Iraq. I will readily admit that the Tonkin Gulf resolution and all the carnage that flowed from that flawed moment rests on the shoulders of the democratic party. Invading Iraq to rid Saddam of WMD's that he did not possess and all the carnage and diplomatic unrest that flowed from that flawed moment rests on the shoulders of President Bush, and, therefore, on the shoulders of the republican party.

Great point, but lets not forget if it had not been for 9/11 we never would have went to Iraq in the first place and the events leading up to 9/11 was due to clinton and his adminastraition dropping the ball. But the biggest mess of all is the community re-envestment act that help to build the mega giants Fredy Mac and Fanny Mae. with their fall thus fell the U.S. Economy.

Oh sweet jesus, here we go. Now you want to change the subject to the blame game for 911 and the Iraq war? Holy shit, did you get dumped off another board or something and you've gotta post everything in your repertoire? Both those subjects have been debated to death, ad nauseam. I'm bored with you. Bye.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

...bigrednincompoop1775, you sound like another stooooooopid **** republicrat who imagines some important difference between 'conservatives' (mostly republicans, admit it, you stooopid ****) and 'liberals' (mostly democrats..admit it, you stoooooopid ****)

...as one wag puts it, 'until these goddamned republicrat fools know what 'a dollar' is, their thoughts about 'politics' are largely pure shit'...

OMG I have two things for you
1: Since you cannot discuss the information with lkogic leads me to believe that you are versed in the school of Alinsky you are playing rule 5 "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
And violating rule 2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.
2:

Bring it on...

Newsflash: In case you haven't noticed, the Republicans (Boehner, McConnel Inc.) obviously keep a copy of Alinsky's rules handy in their pockets at all times. On Dick Armey's website, he practically quotes from it as he instructs tea partiers what to do and how to act.


Listen to Limbaugh much? Everything (EVERYTHING!!) you've said here parrots him.

To have your enemy's playbook is a good thing to know your enemy is to have their playbook.
Liberal protest
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjK4HktXEw]YouTube - Bush Inauguration 2001 from A Year In The Streets[/ame]

Taxed Enough Already Party protest.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qdNhqiUzM]YouTube - 9-12 Tea Party Protest in Washington DC - STOP out-of-control spending[/ame]