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How many African-Americans were killed in WWI?

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Black gangs are indeed a problem, but the military doesn't want to do amything about them much, except deny they're a problem, while Biden's racist hack secretary of no defense runs around trying to run off all the white boys in combat units. We know why he's targeting them, of course.

I'm not sure if you realize it but the military does not operate within the US. It has no jurisdiction over gangs, black or other.

The 101st Airborne was sent into Little Rock to enforce integration at Central High School.

And do you know why?

Because the Governor refused to follow the US Supreme Court ruling in Brown Vs. the Board of Education. He refused to enforce or follow the ruling, and in fact called up his own National Guard to refuse to allow integration in schools.

Quite literally, they were a hair away from being declared a "State in Rebellion", and the use of Federal troops was seen as the only way to prevent it from turning into an outright rebellion. First, President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, then sent them home and sent in the 101st to enforce the Supreme Court decision.

Was it radical? Yes, but then again so was the Governor mobilizing his own National Guard with orders to prevent any integration. And the message to other states considering doing similar things was read loud and clear. Ike would not stand for a state to openly refuse to recognize the ruling of the Supreme Court. And the Federal Troops were only called up because the State had done it first.

In other instances, Presidents themselves called up the Guard and used them similarly, but only used Federal troops this time as a response.
Thomas Jefferson resorted to the same use of Federal Army and Navy troops to enforce his embargoes in his second term; it was considered a military dictatorship at the time, and should be considered the same thing now when that tactic is resorted to. There are other methods that can be used, just as Madison said when rejecting a clause some wanted to include in the Constitution to allow the Federal government to use military force against a state, a power specifically proposed to be granted to the Federal govt. and then vigorously rejected at the Convention. It was illegal when Jefferson used it and it was illegal when Eisenhower used it. Just because they were allowed to get away with it doesn't mean it was legal to use that force.
 

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White nationalism is so boring.

It always seems to be reruns of the same old losers....scrawny hairy tech school drop outs, glory day rehashers with Dunlops Disease, and people who can't conceive of an identity independent of a zero sum racial outlook.

On the other hand....look at ... other forms of "nationalism"....(all happen to be white too)...

Italian American heritage - great festivals, really good food, lotsa fun.

Serbian Heritage festivals - more good food...more lotsa fun too...

Polefest! Celebrate Polish heritage! Good food too....

St. Paddies day - we all know that's when we celebrate our celtic heritage...

There is a whole lot more - each distinct, and special (and good food).

So what does White Nationalism offer that these various white heritage festivals don't? Good food? Any culture?

Anything?
The problem with that is, eventually, they're going to turn on you.

When they run out of blacks.
When they run out of Muslims.
When they run out of Mexicans.
When they run out of Jews.
When they run out of Asians.


White Nationalism isn't a "culture". It isn't an American cultural identity or mark of heritage. It has no singular culture. No cuisine. No native costumes or customs. It is defined entirely in opposition to "the Other" and melanin content of the skin...along with the acceptable religious and political ideological viewpoints.
What pathetic nonsense.

We have been a White Nationalist Nation from the very beginning....this war on whites is a very recent thing that began with political correctness in the sixties....with some elements of it beginning a little earlier aka integration which has been an absolute failure.




Unfortunately due to the political correctness of our public schools....generations of white kids have been taught that they should not take pride in their race.


Abraham Lincoln and his Party ran on a white nationalist ticket in his election; they ran on a platform of banning blacks from all the new territories altogether, slave or free, and in the decade before the Civil War led the demands for legislation to strengthen the Black Codes in Illinois and other midwestern states even tougher than they already were; it was practically impossible for any black to make a legal living in Illinois and Indiana after 1857. Illinois was Lincoln's home state, for those who don't know his history of white nationalism. He also forced a million or so 'freed blacks' to their deaths in his 'Contraband camps', and another few thousand or so more 'freed blacks' back into plantation slavery on his government controlled plantations. I guess the military was to be the new 'plantation' for the millions of blacks causing Eisenhower problems after the mechanized cotton pickers came along after WW II and left millions of blacks unemployed, along with his 'Operation Wetback' program.
 

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They not only built the entire country, they won all our wars, too. Just ask the resident racist thugg fans.

I don't know the answer but there was a time when they were not recorded as participants because they were black and not the equivalent of a white soldier.
But there was no racism at all. Perish the thought.
Since it's clear most chose to stay here when given a choice to leave, it must not have been nearly as bad as you've been brainwashed into beleiving.

Now you are being irrational. They were bought here as slaves and took root here just like convicts who dud the same.
BTW it's not as if you facilitated their departure. With the constant flogging, raping and castrating then the occassionaly public hanging, you made feel comfortable about being here.

You don't think much son. Try it before you have a crack at me.
Very few were brought here by Americans, dumbass, speaking of being 'irrational', you can't be taken seriously on that end yourself. And if you think slave owners were spending all day flogging, raping and castrating their slaves, you're even more stupid and deranged than the norm for leftist burb brats.

And as usual you nor any other moron has an answer for why most didn't leave when offered repatriation, and most hilarious of all is that those who did accept the subsidies and funds immediately set themselves up in Africa as slave plantation owners themselves. lol lol lol

You hate being reminded of the ugly past and treatment of blacks. They didn't come here voluntarily nor did you turn around the boats and send them back.
Denying the cruelty is denying history and you don't have the smarts to achieve that.

Im boot asking you to take responsibility an df nor you should but you have a very warped view of what happened and the time is up for whites to rewrite history.

There was a time they were treated like flora and fauna and you know it.
So cut the moron shit. I know more about it than you obviously.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:
Funny how you say that when my father took a sniper bullet in france.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:
Funny how you say that when my father took a sniper bullet in france.

According to trump he didn't care for losers like McCain so maybe your father's accident doesn't rate either.
 
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"Very few were brought here by Americans, dumbass, speaking of being 'irrational', you can't be taken seriously on that end yourself. And if you think slave owners were spending all day flogging, raping and castrating their slaves, you're even more stupid and deranged than the norm for leftist burb brats.

And as usual you nor any other moron has an answer for why most didn't leave when offered repatriation, and most hilarious of all is that those who did accept the subsidies and funds immediately set themselves up in Africa as slave plantation owners themselves. lol lol lol"

Your comments are most;y innacurate. Blacks refused to leave because they were born here and their labor made America rich.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:
Funny how you say that when my father took a sniper bullet in france.

According to trump he didn't care for losers like McCain so maybe your father's accident doesn't rate either.

Well my father would not have thought much about a rich white boy so scared to fight that he made up an excuse about bone spurs.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:
Funny how you say that when my father took a sniper bullet in france.

According to trump he didn't care for losers like McCain so maybe your father's accident doesn't rate either.

Well my father would not have thought much about a rich white boy so scared to fight that he made up an excuse about bone spurs.

I agree and nor he should but that's what the idiot thought about veterans.
But trumps foot problems stem from putting it in his mouth or shooting himself in the feet.
Cheers.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:
Funny how you say that when my father took a sniper bullet in france.

According to trump he didn't care for losers like McCain so maybe your father's accident doesn't rate either.

Well my father would not have thought much about a rich white boy so scared to fight that he made up an excuse about bone spurs.

I agree and nor he should but that's what the idiot thought about veterans.
But trumps foot problems stem from putting it in his mouth or shooting himself in the feet.
Cheers.

No doubt. And don't forget the toe jam sandwiches he has eaten that have made him morbidly obese.
 

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The population of America is predominantly White. In the early 1800s the citizenry of America was almost entirely White (Blacks and Indians were not citizens). Today it is less so, though Whites are still by far the largest group. Thus America being run by Whites is proper, as China being run by Chinese, Japan being run by Japanese, and France being run by French are all proper.

Whites generally do a good job of running things. If you think Blacks should run our country, look at Haiti or Zimbabwe, or at almost any nation in Africa. None of those countries are run well. For example: Blacks have more than ten times the income in White-run countries than they do in countries run by Blacks. (

Note how many non-Whites are trying to move into White countries compared to the number trying to go the other way. And worry about this: If these migrants succeed in dominating the nations into which they move, those nations will become like the nations they left. Even they won’t like that.

White's generally do a good job at running things because they include genocide in their bureaucratic toolbox.

Which completely ignores the active genocide in Darfur and other areas of Africa. Turkey against the Armenians, what happened under Pol Pot.

And the Indians were not immune to that either. They had been practicing genocide and slavery for thousands of years before Europeans arrived.
 

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Black gangs are indeed a problem, but the military doesn't want to do amything about them much, except deny they're a problem, while Biden's racist hack secretary of no defense runs around trying to run off all the white boys in combat units. We know why he's targeting them, of course.

I'm not sure if you realize it but the military does not operate within the US. It has no jurisdiction over gangs, black or other.

The 101st Airborne was sent into Little Rock to enforce integration at Central High School.

And do you know why?

Because the Governor refused to follow the US Supreme Court ruling in Brown Vs. the Board of Education. He refused to enforce or follow the ruling, and in fact called up his own National Guard to refuse to allow integration in schools.

Quite literally, they were a hair away from being declared a "State in Rebellion", and the use of Federal troops was seen as the only way to prevent it from turning into an outright rebellion. First, President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, then sent them home and sent in the 101st to enforce the Supreme Court decision.

Was it radical? Yes, but then again so was the Governor mobilizing his own National Guard with orders to prevent any integration. And the message to other states considering doing similar things was read loud and clear. Ike would not stand for a state to openly refuse to recognize the ruling of the Supreme Court. And the Federal Troops were only called up because the State had done it first.

In other instances, Presidents themselves called up the Guard and used them similarly, but only used Federal troops this time as a response.
Thomas Jefferson resorted to the same use of Federal Army and Navy troops to enforce his embargoes in his second term; it was considered a military dictatorship at the time, and should be considered the same thing now when that tactic is resorted to. There are other methods that can be used, just as Madison said when rejecting a clause some wanted to include in the Constitution to allow the Federal government to use military force against a state, a power specifically proposed to be granted to the Federal govt. and then vigorously rejected at the Convention. It was illegal when Jefferson used it and it was illegal when Eisenhower used it. Just because they were allowed to get away with it doesn't mean it was legal to use that force.

You are aware that the Embargo Act of 1807 was not created by President Jefferson, are you not? But please, tell me more about the Army enforcing this.

And FYI, you might also want to look into his interactions with Congress over the Barbary Wars.

I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this, it does not sound like anything in history that I am aware of. So please give some kind of references to this use of the Army to enforce the Embargo Act and invade states.

And the President nationalizing the National Guard is not illegal. It is clear as a bell right in the law. I present to you 10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service:

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

The President does in fact have the authority to call up the military in response to a possible insurrection of a state or part of a state. And right there it specifically talk about "rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States;". And refusing to follow the mandate of the US Supreme Court pretty much includes that.

Yea, I get it already. History and actually knowing the laws is not a strong thing with you, everything is just based on your beliefs and emotions. But I think that it is legal, or else that part of the United States Code would have been thrown out decades ago. And it is still there so I guess that means it actually is legal.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.


American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.



Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.

Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.
I am well aware of all of that but I am not referring specifically to the stolen valor act.

Stolen Valor has broader applications than the narrow confines of the particular law addressing the issue.

My contention is that Joe Biden has dishonored all white veterans by his accusations of White Supremacy....which essentially in practical terms equates with stolen valor.

Whilst at the same time he and his party particuarly honors all the minority members of the military at every opportunity....this amounts to stealing the valor of White Soldiers who have overwhelmingly contributed more to the defense of America than any other group yet biden attempts to not only steal their rightful honor but to transfer it to those who did far less.

Thus by his words and actions he has denigrated and dis-honored all white servicemen by attempting to steal their rightful honor and valor and give it to others.

Absolutely disgraceful.

I served 3 years and I have talked with lots of other veterans....I never saw any evidence whatsoever of white supremacy in the military nor has any other veteran I have talked with.

I am not saying there has never been a particular instance of it but it is certainly not a major issue in the military as biden infers.

Congress needs to reprimand him at least for his reprehensible comments on this matter which has become a major fallacious theme of his despicable regime......designed at least to further divide the nation and create more racial problems at a time we are already undergoing extremely high levels of racial tension whilst our foreign threats are higher than at any time in our history and increasing.

Not even to mention how hypocritical he is ----having campaigned on a promise of unity.

Do you have a link to what he said?

And wasn't there a Pentagon report on the issue? If I recall, they found some disturbing things.
You need to understand the big picture...............Bishop Garrison: Biden’s Racist Tool for a Military Purge - Frontpagemag
The big picture is that extremism should not be part of out military.

Absolutely no evidence that it is.....just a red herring tossed out by radical democrats to allow them to purge the military of patriotic Americans and replace them with politically correct pawns of the democratic party.

I find it amusing that you reported 6 different posts for being off topic when they discussed various things about black serving in WWI. You even reported one that you said you didn't want it politicized.

And now you are way off topic and talking politics. I guess you have rules for you and rules for everyone else.
you missed the post where I said I was opening it up to all comments since no one could post a statistic showing how many blacks died in WWI
Why does it matter?

How many died in Vietnam?

That is easily found.

The reason I asked about WWI....I could not find the statistics on the total number of American blacks killed in WWI....even after several searches....not even to mention---no one else has been able to find any stats on that....the best that anyone has come up with is the number of American blacks killed who were serving under French command.
I'm still in the dark about your reason for the information. Can you shed more light on the reason that you need this information?
I do not really need it...I was just curious....I was doing some research on WWII and came across the surprising data that only 800 American Blacks had been killed in that war compared to over 400 thousand White Supremacists......so I began to think about the stats for WWI. A much smaller war....where only 50 thousand White Supremacists were killed....yet surprisingly around 2 to 3 thousand American blacks had been killed...which was considerably more than killed in WWII a much bigger war....turns out they were under French command....and that could explain that....the French command structure was severely lacking.
I don't know where you get your information from but I have seen no statistics on "white supremacists" in WW2.

There were 1,056, 841 African Americans inducted into the various forces in WW2. The compromised roughly 11% of all inductees despite being only 8.4% of the U.S. population. They were 6.4% of all the units serving overseas.
Have you seen any statistics on white supremacists in the u.s. military at any time?
No. Nor statistics on any other ideologies. Why the obsession with African Americans in the military?
What makes you think I am obsessed with it?
Tone of your posts
The actual question becomes, what have you done with your life to make us believe that you’re superior to anyone else?

Cure something? Invent a better way to slice beard?
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I cured poverty in my household, and seldom have to slice my own bread.
Does that count ... :dunno:

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No, it does not.
 

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"Very few were brought here by Americans, dumbass, speaking of being 'irrational', you can't be taken seriously on that end yourself. And if you think slave owners were spending all day flogging, raping and castrating their slaves, you're even more stupid and deranged than the norm for leftist burb brats.

And as usual you nor any other moron has an answer for why most didn't leave when offered repatriation, and most hilarious of all is that those who did accept the subsidies and funds immediately set themselves up in Africa as slave plantation owners themselves. lol lol lol"


Your comments are most;y innacurate. Blacks refused to leave because they were born here and their labor made America rich.
They refused to leave because they were far better off here than among their 'Bruthas' in Africa, same reason you gimps won't leave now, just cry for Whitey to give you $150 million each and all the free Skittles and fetanyl you can buzz on.
 

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They not only built the entire country, they won all our wars, too. Just ask the resident racist thugg fans.

I don't know the answer but there was a time when they were not recorded as participants because they were black and not the equivalent of a white soldier.
But there was no racism at all. Perish the thought.
Since it's clear most chose to stay here when given a choice to leave, it must not have been nearly as bad as you've been brainwashed into beleiving.

Now you are being irrational. They were bought here as slaves and took root here just like convicts who dud the same.
BTW it's not as if you facilitated their departure. With the constant flogging, raping and castrating then the occassionaly public hanging, you made feel comfortable about being here.

You don't think much son. Try it before you have a crack at me.
Very few were brought here by Americans, dumbass, speaking of being 'irrational', you can't be taken seriously on that end yourself. And if you think slave owners were spending all day flogging, raping and castrating their slaves, you're even more stupid and deranged than the norm for leftist burb brats.

And as usual you nor any other moron has an answer for why most didn't leave when offered repatriation, and most hilarious of all is that those who did accept the subsidies and funds immediately set themselves up in Africa as slave plantation owners themselves. lol lol lol

You hate being reminded of the ugly past and treatment of blacks. They didn't come here voluntarily nor did you turn around the boats and send them back.
Denying the cruelty is denying history and you don't have the smarts to achieve that.

Im boot asking you to take responsibility an df nor you should but you have a very warped view of what happened and the time is up for whites to rewrite history.

There was a time they were treated like flora and fauna and you know it.
So cut the moron shit. I know more about it than you obviously.
That's been the problem all along. You laughed at them like the pompous aristocrats you are. Different story now boy.
 

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Black gangs are indeed a problem, but the military doesn't want to do amything about them much, except deny they're a problem, while Biden's racist hack secretary of no defense runs around trying to run off all the white boys in combat units. We know why he's targeting them, of course.

I'm not sure if you realize it but the military does not operate within the US. It has no jurisdiction over gangs, black or other.

The 101st Airborne was sent into Little Rock to enforce integration at Central High School.

And do you know why?

Because the Governor refused to follow the US Supreme Court ruling in Brown Vs. the Board of Education. He refused to enforce or follow the ruling, and in fact called up his own National Guard to refuse to allow integration in schools.

Quite literally, they were a hair away from being declared a "State in Rebellion", and the use of Federal troops was seen as the only way to prevent it from turning into an outright rebellion. First, President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, then sent them home and sent in the 101st to enforce the Supreme Court decision.

Was it radical? Yes, but then again so was the Governor mobilizing his own National Guard with orders to prevent any integration. And the message to other states considering doing similar things was read loud and clear. Ike would not stand for a state to openly refuse to recognize the ruling of the Supreme Court. And the Federal Troops were only called up because the State had done it first.

In other instances, Presidents themselves called up the Guard and used them similarly, but only used Federal troops this time as a response.
Thomas Jefferson resorted to the same use of Federal Army and Navy troops to enforce his embargoes in his second term; it was considered a military dictatorship at the time, and should be considered the same thing now when that tactic is resorted to. There are other methods that can be used, just as Madison said when rejecting a clause some wanted to include in the Constitution to allow the Federal government to use military force against a state, a power specifically proposed to be granted to the Federal govt. and then vigorously rejected at the Convention. It was illegal when Jefferson used it and it was illegal when Eisenhower used it. Just because they were allowed to get away with it doesn't mean it was legal to use that force.

You are aware that the Embargo Act of 1807 was not created by President Jefferson, are you not? But please, tell me more about the Army enforcing this.

And FYI, you might also want to look into his interactions with Congress over the Barbary Wars.

I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this, it does not sound like anything in history that I am aware of. So please give some kind of references to this use of the Army to enforce the Embargo Act and invade states.

And the President nationalizing the National Guard is not illegal. It is clear as a bell right in the law. I present to you 10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service:

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

The President does in fact have the authority to call up the military in response to a possible insurrection of a state or part of a state. And right there it specifically talk about "rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States;". And refusing to follow the mandate of the US Supreme Court pretty much includes that.

Yea, I get it already. History and actually knowing the laws is not a strong thing with you, everything is just based on your beliefs and emotions. But I think that it is legal, or else that part of the United States Code would have been thrown out decades ago. And it is still there so I guess that means it actually is legal.
lol more rubbish, and more proof you don't know much history. Refuse to integrate local and state schools was hardly ' insurrection' except when it suits some fantasy you're trying to peddle. So when is Chairman Biden going to send in the National Guard to take over all those states who enforce their voter ID laws, or refuse to lie to their school kids by teaching 'critical race theory' garbage, or ban 'Drag Queen Story Hour', all that great stuff you left wingers love? lol
 

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Black gangs are indeed a problem, but the military doesn't want to do amything about them much, except deny they're a problem, while Biden's racist hack secretary of no defense runs around trying to run off all the white boys in combat units. We know why he's targeting them, of course.

I'm not sure if you realize it but the military does not operate within the US. It has no jurisdiction over gangs, black or other.

The 101st Airborne was sent into Little Rock to enforce integration at Central High School.

And do you know why?

Because the Governor refused to follow the US Supreme Court ruling in Brown Vs. the Board of Education. He refused to enforce or follow the ruling, and in fact called up his own National Guard to refuse to allow integration in schools.

Quite literally, they were a hair away from being declared a "State in Rebellion", and the use of Federal troops was seen as the only way to prevent it from turning into an outright rebellion. First, President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, then sent them home and sent in the 101st to enforce the Supreme Court decision.

Was it radical? Yes, but then again so was the Governor mobilizing his own National Guard with orders to prevent any integration. And the message to other states considering doing similar things was read loud and clear. Ike would not stand for a state to openly refuse to recognize the ruling of the Supreme Court. And the Federal Troops were only called up because the State had done it first.

In other instances, Presidents themselves called up the Guard and used them similarly, but only used Federal troops this time as a response.
Thomas Jefferson resorted to the same use of Federal Army and Navy troops to enforce his embargoes in his second term; it was considered a military dictatorship at the time, and should be considered the same thing now when that tactic is resorted to. There are other methods that can be used, just as Madison said when rejecting a clause some wanted to include in the Constitution to allow the Federal government to use military force against a state, a power specifically proposed to be granted to the Federal govt. and then vigorously rejected at the Convention. It was illegal when Jefferson used it and it was illegal when Eisenhower used it. Just because they were allowed to get away with it doesn't mean it was legal to use that force.

You are aware that the Embargo Act of 1807 was not created by President Jefferson, are you not? But please, tell me more about the Army enforcing this.

And FYI, you might also want to look into his interactions with Congress over the Barbary Wars.

I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this, it does not sound like anything in history that I am aware of. So please give some kind of references to this use of the Army to enforce the Embargo Act and invade states.

And the President nationalizing the National Guard is not illegal. It is clear as a bell right in the law. I present to you 10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service:

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

The President does in fact have the authority to call up the military in response to a possible insurrection of a state or part of a state. And right there it specifically talk about "rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States;". And refusing to follow the mandate of the US Supreme Court pretty much includes that.

Yea, I get it already. History and actually knowing the laws is not a strong thing with you, everything is just based on your beliefs and emotions. But I think that it is legal, or else that part of the United States Code would have been thrown out decades ago. And it is still there so I guess that means it actually is legal.
lol more rubbish, and more proof you don't know much history. Refuse to integrate local and state schools was hardly ' insurrection' except when it suits some fantasy you're trying to peddle. So when is Chairman Biden going to send in the National Guard to take over all those states who enforce their voter ID laws, or refuse to lie to their school kids by teaching 'critical race theory' garbage, or ban 'Drag Queen Story Hour', all that great stuff you left wingers love? lol

Your opinions are based on religion when clearly that was so 1950s.
You are the guys bellowing about voter fraud but want to stop ids.

Got a little problem with kids learning about drag queens? How about kiddy fiddling in religious schools? Got a problem with that also? Taxpayers money used to fund your fantasies about God but not allowed to learn about drag queens which are real and exist.

Why didn't You get trump to stop those things you hate. He had 4 years and now your complaining the government should stop it. How coincidental? You hypocrite.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.


American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.



Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.

Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.
I am well aware of all of that but I am not referring specifically to the stolen valor act.

Stolen Valor has broader applications than the narrow confines of the particular law addressing the issue.

My contention is that Joe Biden has dishonored all white veterans by his accusations of White Supremacy....which essentially in practical terms equates with stolen valor.

Whilst at the same time he and his party particuarly honors all the minority members of the military at every opportunity....this amounts to stealing the valor of White Soldiers who have overwhelmingly contributed more to the defense of America than any other group yet biden attempts to not only steal their rightful honor but to transfer it to those who did far less.

Thus by his words and actions he has denigrated and dis-honored all white servicemen by attempting to steal their rightful honor and valor and give it to others.

Absolutely disgraceful.

I served 3 years and I have talked with lots of other veterans....I never saw any evidence whatsoever of white supremacy in the military nor has any other veteran I have talked with.

I am not saying there has never been a particular instance of it but it is certainly not a major issue in the military as biden infers.

Congress needs to reprimand him at least for his reprehensible comments on this matter which has become a major fallacious theme of his despicable regime......designed at least to further divide the nation and create more racial problems at a time we are already undergoing extremely high levels of racial tension whilst our foreign threats are higher than at any time in our history and increasing.

Not even to mention how hypocritical he is ----having campaigned on a promise of unity.

Do you have a link to what he said?

And wasn't there a Pentagon report on the issue? If I recall, they found some disturbing things.
You need to understand the big picture...............Bishop Garrison: Biden’s Racist Tool for a Military Purge - Frontpagemag
The big picture is that extremism should not be part of out military.

Absolutely no evidence that it is.....just a red herring tossed out by radical democrats to allow them to purge the military of patriotic Americans and replace them with politically correct pawns of the democratic party.

I find it amusing that you reported 6 different posts for being off topic when they discussed various things about black serving in WWI. You even reported one that you said you didn't want it politicized.

And now you are way off topic and talking politics. I guess you have rules for you and rules for everyone else.
you missed the post where I said I was opening it up to all comments since no one could post a statistic showing how many blacks died in WWI
Why does it matter?

How many died in Vietnam?

That is easily found.

The reason I asked about WWI....I could not find the statistics on the total number of American blacks killed in WWI....even after several searches....not even to mention---no one else has been able to find any stats on that....the best that anyone has come up with is the number of American blacks killed who were serving under French command.
I'm still in the dark about your reason for the information. Can you shed more light on the reason that you need this information?
I do not really need it...I was just curious....I was doing some research on WWII and came across the surprising data that only 800 American Blacks had been killed in that war compared to over 400 thousand White Supremacists......so I began to think about the stats for WWI. A much smaller war....where only 50 thousand White Supremacists were killed....yet surprisingly around 2 to 3 thousand American blacks had been killed...which was considerably more than killed in WWII a much bigger war....turns out they were under French command....and that could explain that....the French command structure was severely lacking.
I don't know where you get your information from but I have seen no statistics on "white supremacists" in WW2.

There were 1,056, 841 African Americans inducted into the various forces in WW2. The compromised roughly 11% of all inductees despite being only 8.4% of the U.S. population. They were 6.4% of all the units serving overseas.
Have you seen any statistics on white supremacists in the u.s. military at any time?
No. Nor statistics on any other ideologies. Why the obsession with African Americans in the military?
What makes you think I am obsessed with it?
Tone of your posts

They go in for job training now and avoid the combat arms, then whine about being under-represented in command positions. They're never happy, always sniveling for no reason.

Sorry, this is pure BS. I served for 15 years in Combat Arms, and saw more than my share of minorities in it, including Blacks.
Yes, well you're always 'special' and claiming knowledge nobody else ever has, including the military itself.

*laughs in incredulity*

Well, feel free to ask all of the other Veterans in here if they agree with me or not, how about that? Other than your remarks seem to be very racist, and I really have no use or tolerance for racists.

And trust me, I have little doubt that almost all of them would agree with what I said. Having served for over 2 decades, I have quite a good idea what I am talking about.

How long have you served, which gives you the basis to question my service?

But before I leave, some facts. In the US, blacks make up just under 12% of the population (18% in the report I am about to reference). Yet, in "Operations" (that is "Combat Arms", the segment that actually fights) they make up 21% of the force. If what you said as true, there would be a much lower percent in that area.










projections as usual. Your personal anecdotes are just your fantasies, not facts. The majority of higher level promotions come from the combat arms, whether you like that or not isn't relevant, nor is your personal experience loading trucks and cleaning heads for 20 years as a grunt.
'The US Armed Forces officially desegregated in 1948. Over the following 70 years, the military has made great strides in promoting racial integration. We find evidence, however, that Black soldiers’ experience of military service still differs significantly from that of other racial and ethnic groups. Exploiting a database of administrative records for 100,000 Army personnel serving during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, we find that Blacks were less likely than other service members to have deployed, or to face intense combat if deployed, during the early phases of the campaigns.'

Like the study I linked to said, they make up some 30% of the military overall, but less than 20% of the combat arms, and because they're under-represented in the combat arms they in turn don't get 30% of the higher level promotions, where some 79% of those promotions originate. Even dumbass Mushhead's own post verifies what I said, but I guess he was too busy trying to suck up to a couple of mod trolls to bother reading posts.

In other news, black street gangs encourage members and wanabees to volunteer, and then choose career paths that provide the most opportunities to steal weapons and gear useful to their homies, no doubt another factor in why they choose other career paths in the military. The military of course always makes a big effort to cover that up. They like to snivel about 'white supremacists' and biker gangs to take attention away from the giant black elephants in the room.
In other news, just another racist soapbox.

Of course you are entitled to your biased opinion hehheh

Irregardless....here is something for you to digest.....https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/12/3-us-army-soldiers-accused-of-illegally-selling-weapons-used-chicago-shootings.html
3 soldiers committed a crime...

What is there to digest?
Biden goes on and on about white supremacists in the military yet it appears that the real poblem may be criminal blacks in the military....this case may just be the tip of the iceberg.


The Navy Made Me into a Race Realist - American Renaissance

3 people...that's all you have to base this claim on?

American Renaissance...a white supremacy site. No thanks.


According to the knee jerk reactionaries here, race can only be discussed by Democrat racists, and only in terms of adoration and postive thoughts n stuff, unless the race in question is white.
white genocide... that is all you clowns come up with.

And it doesn't even exist.
 

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American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.


American black soldiers were used for support and logistics during WWi
They mainly were used as manual labor, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks. Only a tiny number, if any, were assigned to combat units. ... :cool:

There were 2 divisions that were totally black. They lost 1,647 and 3,547 men in combat, respectively.

And the men serving in manual labor jobs, such as unloading cargo off ships, building projects, and driving supply trucks were still in the US Army and still serving in the war.

Were they serving under French command?

Yes. Like many multinational military units, the command was given to one nation. The men were still serving in the US Army.

What do you mean by the term multinational military units?

In this case, the French were in desperate need of men. The US sent members of the US Army to give them relief. But the overall area was under French command.

From the article Coyote posted and I posted:
"The situation was desperate in France, and with exhausted and dwindling armies, the French begged the United States for men. GEN John Pershing, commander of the American Expeditionary Force, promised them four American regiments."

From what I am seeing posted on here it appears the only deaths of Black American Soldiers were those under French command.....interesting but not the topic or an answer to my question.....but as it stands it appears there were more American Black Soldiers killed in WWI than in WWII.

In WWII there were approx. 800 American Black Soldiers killed.....why are the stats available for WWII but not for WWI?

The number of American Black soldiers killed in WWI must be out there somewhere???

It is not just "Black Soldiers". There were also Latino and Asian soldiers. The military was simply not obsessed about "Racial Demographics" yet. Nobody was.

You also had American blacks who died when fighting with the Communists in Spain, nobody tracked those either. And the same in the Spanish-American War, or the Indian Wars. This obsession with how many of what race died is a rather recent thing.
Yet....there are available statistics regarding the number of Black deaths in WWII

Perhaps WWI is just not that significant to the statisticians.

Well, tell you what then, bubba.

I already gave you a reference to a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI. Or you can go to the VA Archives and sift through hundreds of thousands of records yourself and compile the data that way.

Why don't you do it? Or have the UL, NAACP, BLM, or some other organization go to the cost and time to figure this out?

Myself, I find it rather lazy and silly that you are screaming that it has not been done yet. Well, if this is so important to you, do it yourself. All the records are public information, I gave you a link to a book that had lots of them, just not put in the format you want. Not my problem, if it is that important to you, do the research yourself.

And yes, I might have a curiosity as to how many American Indians died in that war. But ultimately, it is not that important to me. Because I do not classify levels of sacrifice by the color of somebodies skin.
a book that has the photographs of every soldier killed in WWI?

That must be one big book....do you know how many millions died in WWI?

The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I, was around 40 million. There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians.

It appears that of all that approx 2 thousand black soldiers were also killed.

Also....approx a little over 50,000 white American soldiers were killed.

I have no idea how many of them were white supremacists.....maybe joe could tell you.


Also....one other thing comes to mind here......the term 'stolen valor'.....I really hate to mention it....but if you add up the total number of whites killed in all of our wars and then add up the total number of blacks killed in all our wars.....whilst keeping in mind the current attitude in the biden's regime's attitude towards White Soldiers then that term 'stolen valour' jumps up screaming in my mind.



Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.

Stolen Valor is about people claiming to have served when they did not. It has nothing to do with the number of dead.

In WWI there were around 50,000 US casualties from the war itself. Another 63,000 died from other causes, most notably from the Spanish Flu epidemic.

If there were significantly fewer black soldiers killed in WWI it can be traced to two facts.
#1 - Blacks were not allowed in the US Marine Corp in WWI, and only served in labor or service positions in the US Navy.
#2 - Blacks were mostly used in labor and service in the US Army as well. Most never saw combat.
I am well aware of all of that but I am not referring specifically to the stolen valor act.

Stolen Valor has broader applications than the narrow confines of the particular law addressing the issue.

My contention is that Joe Biden has dishonored all white veterans by his accusations of White Supremacy....which essentially in practical terms equates with stolen valor.

Whilst at the same time he and his party particuarly honors all the minority members of the military at every opportunity....this amounts to stealing the valor of White Soldiers who have overwhelmingly contributed more to the defense of America than any other group yet biden attempts to not only steal their rightful honor but to transfer it to those who did far less.

Thus by his words and actions he has denigrated and dis-honored all white servicemen by attempting to steal their rightful honor and valor and give it to others.

Absolutely disgraceful.

I served 3 years and I have talked with lots of other veterans....I never saw any evidence whatsoever of white supremacy in the military nor has any other veteran I have talked with.

I am not saying there has never been a particular instance of it but it is certainly not a major issue in the military as biden infers.

Congress needs to reprimand him at least for his reprehensible comments on this matter which has become a major fallacious theme of his despicable regime......designed at least to further divide the nation and create more racial problems at a time we are already undergoing extremely high levels of racial tension whilst our foreign threats are higher than at any time in our history and increasing.

Not even to mention how hypocritical he is ----having campaigned on a promise of unity.

Do you have a link to what he said?

And wasn't there a Pentagon report on the issue? If I recall, they found some disturbing things.
You need to understand the big picture...............Bishop Garrison: Biden’s Racist Tool for a Military Purge - Frontpagemag
The big picture is that extremism should not be part of out military.

Absolutely no evidence that it is.....just a red herring tossed out by radical democrats to allow them to purge the military of patriotic Americans and replace them with politically correct pawns of the democratic party.

I find it amusing that you reported 6 different posts for being off topic when they discussed various things about black serving in WWI. You even reported one that you said you didn't want it politicized.

And now you are way off topic and talking politics. I guess you have rules for you and rules for everyone else.
you missed the post where I said I was opening it up to all comments since no one could post a statistic showing how many blacks died in WWI
Why does it matter?

How many died in Vietnam?

That is easily found.

The reason I asked about WWI....I could not find the statistics on the total number of American blacks killed in WWI....even after several searches....not even to mention---no one else has been able to find any stats on that....the best that anyone has come up with is the number of American blacks killed who were serving under French command.
I'm still in the dark about your reason for the information. Can you shed more light on the reason that you need this information?
I do not really need it...I was just curious....I was doing some research on WWII and came across the surprising data that only 800 American Blacks had been killed in that war compared to over 400 thousand White Supremacists......so I began to think about the stats for WWI. A much smaller war....where only 50 thousand White Supremacists were killed....yet surprisingly around 2 to 3 thousand American blacks had been killed...which was considerably more than killed in WWII a much bigger war....turns out they were under French command....and that could explain that....the French command structure was severely lacking.
I don't know where you get your information from but I have seen no statistics on "white supremacists" in WW2.

There were 1,056, 841 African Americans inducted into the various forces in WW2. The compromised roughly 11% of all inductees despite being only 8.4% of the U.S. population. They were 6.4% of all the units serving overseas.
Have you seen any statistics on white supremacists in the u.s. military at any time?
No. Nor statistics on any other ideologies. Why the obsession with African Americans in the military?
What makes you think I am obsessed with it?
Tone of your posts

They go in for job training now and avoid the combat arms, then whine about being under-represented in command positions. They're never happy, always sniveling for no reason.

Sorry, this is pure BS. I served for 15 years in Combat Arms, and saw more than my share of minorities in it, including Blacks.
Yes, well you're always 'special' and claiming knowledge nobody else ever has, including the military itself.

*laughs in incredulity*

Well, feel free to ask all of the other Veterans in here if they agree with me or not, how about that? Other than your remarks seem to be very racist, and I really have no use or tolerance for racists.

And trust me, I have little doubt that almost all of them would agree with what I said. Having served for over 2 decades, I have quite a good idea what I am talking about.

How long have you served, which gives you the basis to question my service?

But before I leave, some facts. In the US, blacks make up just under 12% of the population (18% in the report I am about to reference). Yet, in "Operations" (that is "Combat Arms", the segment that actually fights) they make up 21% of the force. If what you said as true, there would be a much lower percent in that area.










projections as usual. Your personal anecdotes are just your fantasies, not facts. The majority of higher level promotions come from the combat arms, whether you like that or not isn't relevant, nor is your personal experience loading trucks and cleaning heads for 20 years as a grunt.
'The US Armed Forces officially desegregated in 1948. Over the following 70 years, the military has made great strides in promoting racial integration. We find evidence, however, that Black soldiers’ experience of military service still differs significantly from that of other racial and ethnic groups. Exploiting a database of administrative records for 100,000 Army personnel serving during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, we find that Blacks were less likely than other service members to have deployed, or to face intense combat if deployed, during the early phases of the campaigns.'

Like the study I linked to said, they make up some 30% of the military overall, but less than 20% of the combat arms, and because they're under-represented in the combat arms they in turn don't get 30% of the higher level promotions, where some 79% of those promotions originate. Even dumbass Mushhead's own post verifies what I said, but I guess he was too busy trying to suck up to a couple of mod trolls to bother reading posts.

In other news, black street gangs encourage members and wanabees to volunteer, and then choose career paths that provide the most opportunities to steal weapons and gear useful to their homies, no doubt another factor in why they choose other career paths in the military. The military of course always makes a big effort to cover that up. They like to snivel about 'white supremacists' and biker gangs to take attention away from the giant black elephants in the room.
In other news, just another racist soapbox.

Of course you are entitled to your biased opinion hehheh

Irregardless....here is something for you to digest.....https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/12/3-us-army-soldiers-accused-of-illegally-selling-weapons-used-chicago-shootings.html
3 soldiers committed a crime...

What is there to digest?
Biden goes on and on about white supremacists in the military yet it appears that the real poblem may be criminal blacks in the military....this case may just be the tip of the iceberg.


The Navy Made Me into a Race Realist - American Renaissance

3 people...that's all you have to base this claim on?

American Renaissance...a white supremacy site. No thanks.


According to the knee jerk reactionaries here, race can only be discussed by Democrat racists, and only in terms of adoration and postive thoughts n stuff, unless the race in question is white.
white genocide... that is all you clowns come up with.

And it doesn't even exist.






Well, it is so nice to know that none of those people really died. I guess like the 6 million plus Jews that the Holocaust Deniers talk about, they never existed in the first place? Or maybe secretly moved and changed their names, just to make those innocent Nazis look bad.
 

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