How is it the Right is Biased but the Left are not?

[rdean]

You Liberals have just proved my point.
You all have just said many things that are completely biased and are not true.
Especially if you think that fox does not have liberals working for them.
Did any of you even know that the first women elected to congress was a Republican?
What I stated is true and not an opinion.
Liberals will always believe the lies and not the truth.To be completely fair so do conservatives.
I am asking you all to go right to the source and get your information. Like Thomas.gov for the bills that are being passed, read them before you make your comments.
I never said anything about what is wrong with Liberals Closed Caption. We are talking about Liberals being biased.
Liberals talk about Conservatives being biased all the time, but when conservatives accuse liberals of being biased - well ....... Proof is in the comments made in this post.
And a whole bunch of untrue statements at that.
Let me see, most of you libs can post your lefty news like the Huffington or CNN,MSNBC, but when conservatives link fox,its not real news. Talk about biased.
I watch CNN,MSNBC,Fox and C-span to get the numbers of the bills that are being passed. So that I can look them up and read them.
How many of you do this?

Clearly you didn't read my post. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying "all".

http://www.usmessageboard.com/media...ased-but-the-left-are-not-10.html#post3962522

 

[peach174]

I see the Liberals as being the most biased.
The Majority of news and newspapers hire liberals, over conservatives.
The Entertainment industry has more liberals than conservatives. And if you speak out that you are conservative, you a bypassed for any real good roles.
The majority of scientists are liberal with only 6% being conservative.
The majority of college professors are liberal.
There is a very small amount of or no representation in unions or the AARP.
All of our public schools system is based on liberal ideology.
Any woman who calls herself conservative is blasted and to hell with equal opportunity by liberal women's groups.
So who is biased?

There is a difference between "bias" and "ignorance". Clearly, you are ignorant.

I can explain some of those. The majority of news are conservative, otherwise, if they had done their job, we never would have been in Iraq. Score one for ignorance.

The entertainment industry has more liberals because "conservatism is the opposite of creativity". Creative people want to expand the boundaries, conservatives want to keep things the same. Everyone knows this. Even conservatives. Another point for ignorance.
For the same reason, the majority of scientist are liberal. Conservatives think science is a "faith", evolution a "lie" and climate change a "conspiracy". Not a group that would produce many scientists, obviously.

All schools can't be "liberal", otherwise, you wouldn't have Republican Presidential Nominee Michelle Bachmann saying our founding fathers were against slavery. Or Sarah Palin saying that Paul Revere road to warn the British.

Based on the evidence, I would say everyone has some bias but you are most certainly "ignorant". To explain the rest is to waste even more valuable time on the "ignorant". After all, how many right wingers feel they are "scientific" but also believe "Noah's flood created the Grand Canyon"?

The majority of the news is liberal not conservative rdean.
All weekend long they reported what the left is saying , that it is the tea party's fault that we have been downgraded.
Who has not balanced the budget in 2 years? Dem's
Who has refused to make long term cuts to the budget? Dem's
Who has fought any and all bills proposed by the House for long term fixes? Dem's
Who has kept expanding the size of government in the last 2 years? Dem's
Who got voted out because of it? Dem's
Yet the main stream news reported the lefts agenda about how it is the tea parties fault.
All of them sounded like robots.

Our schools are failing because they are not teaching our children, they are teaching them socialism.

Hollywood admitted that is promoting liberal views.
If you were a conservative you need to keep your mouth shut if you still wanted to get good parts in the industry.
A complete violation of free speech.

Science has more evidence of a creator than not.
But the agenda is always promoted by those that have warred with the question of God.
2 examples are Einstein and Stephen Hawking.
Both have had personal tragedies in their lives and could not find any answers to their questions so they took the stance that there is no God. And looked for scientific evidence that there is no God.
Stephen Hawking has come to the conclusion, that because the big bang came from a small black hole and time does not exist in a black hole,then there can't be a God.
He never questioned, nor looked for a theory that maybe there might be more that one universe out there.

And because you don't like my viewpoints, does not mean that I am ignorant.
Again I ask - Do you ever go the source itself for information, or do you just listen to propaganda?

If you knew and studied our U.S. History you would know that Bauchman and Palin are right.
Did you know that a Blackman road with Paul Revere?
His name was Wentworth Cheswell and he rode in the opposite direction with Revere to warn that the the British were coming.
The African-American Paul Revere

 

[Immanuel]

I see the Liberals as being the most biased.
The Majority of news and newspapers hire liberals, over conservatives.
The Entertainment industry has more liberals than conservatives. And if you speak out that you are conservative, you a bypassed for any real good roles.
The majority of scientists are liberal with only 6% being conservative.
The majority of college professors are liberal.
There is a very small amount of or no representation in unions or the AARP.
All of our public schools system is based on liberal ideology.
Any woman who calls herself conservative is blasted and to hell with equal opportunity by liberal women's groups.
So who is biased?

There is a difference between "bias" and "ignorance". Clearly, you are ignorant.

I can explain some of those. The majority of news are conservative, otherwise, if they had done their job, we never would have been in Iraq. Score one for ignorance.

The entertainment industry has more liberals because "conservatism is the opposite of creativity". Creative people want to expand the boundaries, conservatives want to keep things the same. Everyone knows this. Even conservatives. Another point for ignorance.
For the same reason, the majority of scientist are liberal. Conservatives think science is a "faith", evolution a "lie" and climate change a "conspiracy". Not a group that would produce many scientists, obviously.

All schools can't be "liberal", otherwise, you wouldn't have Republican Presidential Nominee Michelle Bachmann saying our founding fathers were against slavery. Or Sarah Palin saying that Paul Revere road to warn the British.

Based on the evidence, I would say everyone has some bias but you are most certainly "ignorant". To explain the rest is to waste even more valuable time on the "ignorant". After all, how many right wingers feel they are "scientific" but also believe "Noah's flood created the Grand Canyon"?

The majority of the news is liberal not conservative rdean.
All weekend long they reported what the left is saying , that it is the tea party's fault that we have been downgraded.
Who has not balanced the budget in 2 years? Dem's
Who has refused to make long term cuts to the budget? Dem's
Who has fought any and all bills proposed by the House for long term fixes? Dem's
Who has kept expanding the size of government in the last 2 years? Dem's
Who got voted out because of it? Dem's
Yet the main stream news reported the lefts agenda about how it is the tea parties fault.
All of them sounded like robots.

Our schools are failing because they are not teaching our children, they are teaching them socialism.

Hollywood admitted that is promoting liberal views.
If you were a conservative you need to keep your mouth shut if you still wanted to get good parts in the industry.
A complete violation of free speech.

Science has more evidence of a creator than not.
But the agenda is always promoted by those that have warred with the question of God.
2 examples are Einstein and Stephen Hawking.
Both have had personal tragedies in their lives and could not find any answers to their questions so they took the stance that there is no God. And looked for scientific evidence that there is no God.
Stephen Hawking has come to the conclusion, that because the big bang came from a small black hole and time does not exist in a black hole,then there can't be a God.
He never questioned, nor looked for a theory that maybe there might be more that one universe out there.

And because you don't like my viewpoints, does not mean that I am ignorant.
Again I ask - Do you ever go the source itself for information, or do you just listen to propaganda?

If you knew and studied our U.S. History you would know that Bauchman and Palin are right.
Did you know that a Blackman road with Paul Revere?
His name was Wentworth Cheswell and he rode in the opposite direction with Revere to warn that the the British were coming.
The African-American Paul Revere

While Democrats are surely partially responsible in these areas, I think you put way too much responsibility on them and by your posts in this thread it seems you ignore the hand that Republicans play in all of this.

I would agree that the majority of TV "news" when one looks at the number of outlets is left leaning. However, based upon posters from this site, both right and left, it seems that the vast majority of the partisans all pay attention to Fox rather than any of the others. Fox itself is biased although when I do watch TV "News", I tend to either go to Fox or maybe CNN depending on the type of news I am looking for. Political or national news I go to Fox. World news or news on the war I tend to head over to CNN.

Republicans (despite their rhetoric) have assisted the Dems in not producing a budget.

Republicans are no more interested in making cuts than Dems. Both sides claim to want to cut. Both sides suggest minor cuts here and there, funny how those cuts never get implemented, but neither side is really willing to compromise to get the job done. Why? Because they don't want to.

Maybe you can list some actual bills that have been presented with viable solutions to the long term debt problem? I'm not aware of any that have come up.

Expansion of our government is not something that only the Dems do. Look back at the eight years of President Bush and find even a little bit of governmental contraction... please. Don't just blame Democrats for this.

As for Hollywood? Well, we conservatives continue to pay those terrible (that is being facetious) liberals to produce movies that we go to see. If you don't like the movies that they produce then stop paying for their services. Quit going to movies produced by liberals and only attend films produced by conservatives. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to seek out the entertainment that I enjoy and not give a damned about who produces the film.

Sorry, but I guess what I am saying is that while liberals/Dems share some of the responsibility, we are foolish if we do not look at the other side of the table in regards to what is happening in our country and if we continue to be so one-sided the destruction of this wonderful nation will be as much our fault as it is those on the left.

Immie

 

[midcan5]

First I have to know what defines a liberal in your mind, then I could at least analyze what you are getting at? But one by one:

The majority of media outlets hire college educated people who are usually conservative as they grew up with a silver spoon.
Voting for a democrat or caring about the earth and its people may seem liberal but I would just consider it commonsense. Rarely do I ever hear an entertainer mention poverty or the tough issues.
Scientists would tend to be more liberal naturally as experiment and results are the tools of science, but that does make them liberals.
I found college professors to be all over the place, this is another myth of the right because any professor who speaks any truth that conflicts with dreamland is labeled liberal.
I was in a union and the people there are all over the place. I don't particularly like AARP as I'd like them to care for all not just the oldies.
Public schools is based on an educated and civic public. Its goal is an public that understands the community it resides in and can think on their own.
Any women? Huh, you mean a few outspoken women who make this an issue. I never see it in real life.

Both sides are biased but I would argue there are good biases and bad biases.

 

[Dr.Drock]

[I watch CNN,MSNBC,Fox and C-span to get the numbers of the bills that are being passed. So that I can look them up and read them.
How many of you do this?[/QUOTE]

I used to do this, and when I did it is when I became the man who HATES both parties that I am now.



When you read the bills and see the crazy stuff in them, see all that money that is wasted all the time, it really shows how good the propaganda machine for both parties are by keeping us voting for them.

 

[Qball]

Republicans (despite their rhetoric) have assisted the Dems in not producing a budget.

Republicans are no more interested in making cuts than Dems. Both sides claim to want to cut. Both sides suggest minor cuts here and there, funny how those cuts never get implemented, but neither side is really willing to compromise to get the job done. Why? Because they don't want to.

I don't think this is entirely fair. House Republicans passed the CCB bill that was tabled in the Senate by Harry Reid before it could be debated. Republicans then passed a bill that would call for a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment, but Democrats denied that as well. Through this entire debate, the one thing Republicans would not support were tax hikes. They're not the majority party so they can't expect to totally run the table, and if you consider the fact that Senate Democrats have yet to take one hard vote on the budget, the Republicans have to take what they can get while holding on to their principles as possible.

 

[Immanuel]

Republicans (despite their rhetoric) have assisted the Dems in not producing a budget.

Republicans are no more interested in making cuts than Dems. Both sides claim to want to cut. Both sides suggest minor cuts here and there, funny how those cuts never get implemented, but neither side is really willing to compromise to get the job done. Why? Because they don't want to.

I don't think this is entirely fair. House Republicans passed the CCB bill that was tabled in the Senate by Harry Reid before it could be debated. Republicans then passed a bill that would call for a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment, but Democrats denied that as well. Through this entire debate, the one thing Republicans would not support were tax hikes. They're not the majority party so they can't expect to totally run the table, and if you consider the fact that Senate Democrats have yet to take one hard vote on the budget, the Republicans have to take what they can get while holding on to their principles as possible.

Think about when Republicans had control. It wasn't all that long ago.

Passing a bill that you know will not stand muster is not offering a compromise nor is it an attempt to solve the problem. It is nothing more than "oneupmanship".

Immie

 

[IndependntLogic]

Where do you get that from? Evidence??




What nonsense.

No I get it. A lot of people wouldn't be able to figure that one out cuz you know, guys like Ken Lewis and John Stumpf are just known for being a bunch of whacky Liberals!

Oh and BTW, I'm not pro-Liberal at all. I'm just anti-stupid, which is what this post is. Gee, do certain occupations and industries tend to attract more Libs than Conservs? Nah, all the guys and gals at the Tattoo & Piercing parlor are always Conservative. And of course all those Investment Bankers are Faux Hawk wearing Liberals!

LOL - always easy to spot the sheeple. Now herd along sweetheart. You need to learn what to think from FOX.

You got nailed for BS, tried to tap dance away - FAIL. But nice try sparky.

My apologoes. I've forgotten that there are those "net people" who are so stupid or brain-washed, that they don't know that bank CEO's like Lewis (google him - or the CEO's of every major bank) are Conservative. Thank you for reminding me. I'll have to make sure to dumb it down for "net people" like you in the future! Occasionally I forget because there are some very smart people here. Cheers.

 

[ClosedCaption]

heres what the OP is doing, he just says that everyone is a liberal with an agenda and wants everyone else to prove to him that they are not liberal. Everyone is liberal, look at his list...The ENTIRE media (except fox), All colleges (except one admittedly Republican, All of Hollywood (except Fred Thompson, Chuck Norris, Coach, Kirk Cameron and more). So basically, everyone who doesnt not say they are a republican are automatically slapped with a liberal label until they prove they are not.

In a nutshell, he's a victim of everyone everywhere and nothing can prove him wrong.

 

[peach174]

The point was that the left are just as biased as the right are.

But the bigger point was, this was the Lefty's agenda in the sixty's.
They were a minority around 1963 and the agenda was for them to get into the schools, the universities , the courts ,the media and entertainment industry and to then promote their ideology and then to get into congress and the white house. And that was how they would become a minority to a majority by teaching it and promoting it.
I know this because I had a teacher tell us in our class about it. She was teaching us about liberalism that whole school year and how it was a wonderful ideology.
It worked somewhat but not like they really wanted it to.
That is why you have Van Jones speaking at the universities to students, not to listen to your parents or your grandparents because they feel this is where they messed up in the past in the schools, and universities.
SharpRadio.com - Benjamin Pratt

 

[Foxfyre]

Republicans (despite their rhetoric) have assisted the Dems in not producing a budget.

Republicans are no more interested in making cuts than Dems. Both sides claim to want to cut. Both sides suggest minor cuts here and there, funny how those cuts never get implemented, but neither side is really willing to compromise to get the job done. Why? Because they don't want to.

I don't think this is entirely fair. House Republicans passed the CCB bill that was tabled in the Senate by Harry Reid before it could be debated. Republicans then passed a bill that would call for a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment, but Democrats denied that as well. Through this entire debate, the one thing Republicans would not support were tax hikes. They're not the majority party so they can't expect to totally run the table, and if you consider the fact that Senate Democrats have yet to take one hard vote on the budget, the Republicans have to take what they can get while holding on to their principles as possible.

Think about when Republicans had control. It wasn't all that long ago.

Passing a bill that you know will not stand muster is not offering a compromise nor is it an attempt to solve the problem. It is nothing more than "oneupmanship".

Immie

The Republicans compromised on every single issue they wanted in dealing with the debt ceiling 'crisis'. They managed to prevent tax increases for now, but even there they did not get the permanence they wanted. And because they caved on every issue that needed to be addressed, the Congress accomplished absolutely nothing of value to address the problem of the debt, its increasing drain and drag on the economy, or the gloomy forecast for a decade to come.

And you criticize the few brave souls who were able to pass a REAL bill that would actually do something just because political bullies in the Senate would not even debate it, much less allow it to be voted on?

Hell, lets just bury every reasonable or practical concept now and forget it. If those who actually do something are going to be accused of non compromise, of being political terorists even, why bother? It would be much simpler to turn the country over to the socialists and Marxists now and avoid the fight.

 

[peach174]

I think that's what their hoping for foxfyre.
But it isn't going to happen.

 

[Immanuel]

I don't think this is entirely fair. House Republicans passed the CCB bill that was tabled in the Senate by Harry Reid before it could be debated. Republicans then passed a bill that would call for a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment, but Democrats denied that as well. Through this entire debate, the one thing Republicans would not support were tax hikes. They're not the majority party so they can't expect to totally run the table, and if you consider the fact that Senate Democrats have yet to take one hard vote on the budget, the Republicans have to take what they can get while holding on to their principles as possible.

Think about when Republicans had control. It wasn't all that long ago.

Passing a bill that you know will not stand muster is not offering a compromise nor is it an attempt to solve the problem. It is nothing more than "oneupmanship".

Immie

The Republicans compromised on every single issue they wanted in dealing with the debt ceiling 'crisis'. They managed to prevent tax increases for now, but even there they did not get the permanence they wanted. And because they caved on every issue that needed to be addressed, the Congress accomplished absolutely nothing of value to address the problem of the debt, its increasing drain and drag on the economy, or the gloomy forecast for a decade to come.

And you criticize the few brave souls who were able to pass a REAL bill that would actually do something just because political bullies in the Senate would not even debate it, much less allow it to be voted on?

Hell, lets just bury every reasonable or practical concept now and forget it. If those who actually do something are going to be accused of non compromise, of being political terorists even, why bother? It would be much simpler to turn the country over to the socialists and Marxists now and avoid the fight.

I agree, Congress accomplished nothing.

I disagree that the Republicans are not also to blame for this problem. They don't deserve a "pass" simply because they caved and allowed the debt ceiling to be raised. They deserve the blame for being co-conspirators in putting this nation into the position it is in today.

Any reasonable person would say that the last thing we should have done is to allow ourselves to take on more debt... which by the way is exactly what we did, and we didn't even set any goals on reducing debt for the next decade. WTF?

On the other hand, this nation will not default on its debt at least not for anytime in the foreseeable future and would not have. The issue here is that once again both Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are not seeking fiscal responsibility. Rather they just go on playing this game. They will continue to do so for as long as they can get away with it.

We don't need them to frigging compromise. We need them to bite the damned bullet and make the hard choices that will turn this economy around. We don't need them to blame each other. We need these supposedly intelligent human beings to stop acting like there are not consequences to spend... spend... spend politics.

Immie

 

[Foxfyre]

Think about when Republicans had control. It wasn't all that long ago.

Passing a bill that you know will not stand muster is not offering a compromise nor is it an attempt to solve the problem. It is nothing more than "oneupmanship".

Immie

The Republicans compromised on every single issue they wanted in dealing with the debt ceiling 'crisis'. They managed to prevent tax increases for now, but even there they did not get the permanence they wanted. And because they caved on every issue that needed to be addressed, the Congress accomplished absolutely nothing of value to address the problem of the debt, its increasing drain and drag on the economy, or the gloomy forecast for a decade to come.

And you criticize the few brave souls who were able to pass a REAL bill that would actually do something just because political bullies in the Senate would not even debate it, much less allow it to be voted on?

Hell, lets just bury every reasonable or practical concept now and forget it. If those who actually do something are going to be accused of non compromise, of being political terorists even, why bother? It would be much simpler to turn the country over to the socialists and Marxists now and avoid the fight.

I agree, Congress accomplished nothing.

I disagree that the Republicans are not also to blame for this problem. They don't deserve a "pass" simply because they caved and allowed the debt ceiling to be raised. They deserve the blame for being co-conspirators in putting this nation into the position it is in today.

Any reasonable person would say that the last thing we should have done is to allow ourselves to take on more debt... which by the way is exactly what we did, and we didn't even set any goals on reducing debt for the next decade. WTF?

On the other hand, this nation will not default on its debt at least not for anytime in the foreseeable future and would not have. The issue here is that once again both Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are not seeking fiscal responsibility. Rather they just go on playing this game. They will continue to do so for as long as they can get away with it.

We don't need them to frigging compromise. We need them to bite the damned bullet and make the hard choices that will turn this economy around. We don't need them to blame each other. We need these supposedly intelligent human beings to stop acting like there are not consequences to spend... spend... spend politics.

Immie

Exactly. No quarrel with any of that. But we do have some 'Tea Party principled' folks in Congress now who want to break that destructive cycle in both parties and start turning it around. I was just thwapping you on the knuckles when you seemed to be criticizing the brave few who actually passed a bill that would have helped. If that wasn't your intent, I take it back.

 

[Immanuel]

The Republicans compromised on every single issue they wanted in dealing with the debt ceiling 'crisis'. They managed to prevent tax increases for now, but even there they did not get the permanence they wanted. And because they caved on every issue that needed to be addressed, the Congress accomplished absolutely nothing of value to address the problem of the debt, its increasing drain and drag on the economy, or the gloomy forecast for a decade to come.

And you criticize the few brave souls who were able to pass a REAL bill that would actually do something just because political bullies in the Senate would not even debate it, much less allow it to be voted on?

Hell, lets just bury every reasonable or practical concept now and forget it. If those who actually do something are going to be accused of non compromise, of being political terorists even, why bother? It would be much simpler to turn the country over to the socialists and Marxists now and avoid the fight.

I agree, Congress accomplished nothing.

I disagree that the Republicans are not also to blame for this problem. They don't deserve a "pass" simply because they caved and allowed the debt ceiling to be raised. They deserve the blame for being co-conspirators in putting this nation into the position it is in today.

Any reasonable person would say that the last thing we should have done is to allow ourselves to take on more debt... which by the way is exactly what we did, and we didn't even set any goals on reducing debt for the next decade. WTF?

On the other hand, this nation will not default on its debt at least not for anytime in the foreseeable future and would not have. The issue here is that once again both Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are not seeking fiscal responsibility. Rather they just go on playing this game. They will continue to do so for as long as they can get away with it.

We don't need them to frigging compromise. We need them to bite the damned bullet and make the hard choices that will turn this economy around. We don't need them to blame each other. We need these supposedly intelligent human beings to stop acting like there are not consequences to spend... spend... spend politics.

Immie

Exactly. No quarrel with any of that. But we do have some 'Tea Party principled' folks in Congress now who want to break that destructive cycle in both parties and start turning it around. I was just thwapping you on the knuckles when you seemed to be criticizing the brave few who actually passed a bill that would have helped. If that wasn't your intent, I take it back.

I honestly cannot think of the names of any of those brave few that you mention. I know Michelle Bachmann put her neck out for not raising the ceiling.

I think the grassroots part of the tea party had a good idea. Unfortunately, I think they let politicians infiltrate and destroy their movement. They got sucked right back into the Republican Party.

I see both parties as the problem here not just one or the other. I see greed and corruption as being the sole principles of a politician regardless of which party they belong to. I sure do not see them coming together to solve this nations problems.

Immie

 

[peach174]

I agree, Congress accomplished nothing.

I disagree that the Republicans are not also to blame for this problem. They don't deserve a "pass" simply because they caved and allowed the debt ceiling to be raised. They deserve the blame for being co-conspirators in putting this nation into the position it is in today.

Any reasonable person would say that the last thing we should have done is to allow ourselves to take on more debt... which by the way is exactly what we did, and we didn't even set any goals on reducing debt for the next decade. WTF?

On the other hand, this nation will not default on its debt at least not for anytime in the foreseeable future and would not have. The issue here is that once again both Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are not seeking fiscal responsibility. Rather they just go on playing this game. They will continue to do so for as long as they can get away with it.

We don't need them to frigging compromise. We need them to bite the damned bullet and make the hard choices that will turn this economy around. We don't need them to blame each other. We need these supposedly intelligent human beings to stop acting like there are not consequences to spend... spend... spend politics.

Immie

Exactly. No quarrel with any of that. But we do have some 'Tea Party principled' folks in Congress now who want to break that destructive cycle in both parties and start turning it around. I was just thwapping you on the knuckles when you seemed to be criticizing the brave few who actually passed a bill that would have helped. If that wasn't your intent, I take it back.

I honestly cannot think of the names of any of those brave few that you mention. I know Michelle Bachmann put her neck out for not raising the ceiling.

I think the grassroots part of the tea party had a good idea. Unfortunately, I think they let politicians infiltrate and destroy their movement. They got sucked right back into the Republican Party.

I see both parties as the problem here not just one or the other. I see greed and corruption as being the sole principles of a politician regardless of which party they belong to. I sure do not see them coming together to solve this nations problems.

Immie

No they didn't get sucked into the republican party.
They will keep electing politicians in both parties who are for the constitution and a smaller government.

 

[Immanuel]

Exactly. No quarrel with any of that. But we do have some 'Tea Party principled' folks in Congress now who want to break that destructive cycle in both parties and start turning it around. I was just thwapping you on the knuckles when you seemed to be criticizing the brave few who actually passed a bill that would have helped. If that wasn't your intent, I take it back.

I honestly cannot think of the names of any of those brave few that you mention. I know Michelle Bachmann put her neck out for not raising the ceiling.

I think the grassroots part of the tea party had a good idea. Unfortunately, I think they let politicians infiltrate and destroy their movement. They got sucked right back into the Republican Party.

I see both parties as the problem here not just one or the other. I see greed and corruption as being the sole principles of a politician regardless of which party they belong to. I sure do not see them coming together to solve this nations problems.

Immie

No they didn't get sucked into the republican party.
They will keep electing politicians in both parties who are for the constitution and a smaller government.

I hope you are right. I don't think you are, but I hope you are.

Immie