How Evil is Libertarianism anyway?

[kaz]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

Exactly, he's referring to the tyranny of the majority. The left only support the minority when it rationalizes the tyranny of the majority

Another moron, but who's counting. In our democratic republic, We the People elect representatives to make laws.

As I said, you're advocating tyranny of the majority. You didn't contradict that. Our laws under the Constitution were designed to prevent tyranny of the majority, which is why you ignore the Constitution

 

[kaz]

But you agree that it's unethical for one person to initiate aggression against another's person or property? Or do you think we each have the right to do so?

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

Again, further evidence that for most on the right, ignorance and stupidity are prerequisites for being conservative.

funny how you call an anarchist stupid while you call him "on the right."

You think right wingers are anarchists or anarchists are right wingers?

Just curious on more specifics of your overt stupidity

 

[NightFox]

We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.

• Government is not unlimited
• Money in the political arena is the cancer which is killing our Republic
• A society is inherently collective, be it a small family, a tribe / religious order, or a nation take care of their own
• Poverty is the ultimate form of liberty, when one has no responsibilities they are free to act without restraint
• Libertarianism is a utopian fantasy, it lacks pragmatism and compassion
• " Conservatarians" support government which benefits themselves, abhors government which benefits others

There is no bigger "utopian fantasy" than liberalism my friend.

Easy to say, kinda hard to prove. The liberal has been typecast as a bleeding heart, a Marxist, a Fascist, a Statist, a taxer and a spender, a racist, a bigot, evil and a dozen or more other characteristics, but the one real common denominator is this: a movement which sees problems and seeks solutions. Some pragmatic, some radical, some foolish and many successful.

"Sees problems and seeks solutions", unfortunately they're the ones creating the problems they're seeking the solutions for.

"The liberal" (what a complete bastardization of the term) needs to start solving his/her own "problems" and leaving everybody else the **** alone which will result in far less "problems" and far less violence in the world. Apparently nobody informed the prosperity and liberty destroying busy bodies of the left that they have no freakin' clue what is best for everybody else (hell most of 'em can't even decide what's best for themselves).

You seem very bitter, as well as misinformed. Please let me know which source(s) provided you with the opinions you so readily espouse and how "The liberal" created "problems" and more violence in the world.

LOL, why would I be "bitter" when I have gub'mint worshiping wind up toys like you to keep me entertained? As far as misinformed, as usual you're great at making assertions, not so good at backing them up; color me surprised that you failed to do it again.

[I bet you will not address the questions, and have no evidence to support your conclusions]

You first, after all you're the activist gub'mint warfare/welfare state pom-pom waiving cheerleader, perhaps you can explain why after getting what you've always wanted the Republic isn't in such great shape and the folks you worship continue apace to slaughter innocents around the globe and drive us ever closer to financial ruin, YOU'RE responsible for the mess, not us libertarians.

Lucy, you got some 'xplainin' to do.

I noticed Rottweiler thought your post a winner - that should give you pause, anytime a card carrying member of the idiot fringe gives one credit they should know they are on the wrong side of logic.

Hey pal maybe you might think about taking a look in the mirror and stop worrying about what other posters do, since you're just another run of the mill gub'mint worshiper with nothing particularly insightful or even humorous to say.

 

[MarcATL]

What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?

Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.

IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.

They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.

Funny how it takes the party for self-proclaimed conservatives to get near the brink of destruction for their members to start speaking truthfully about it.

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[JimBowie1958]

Funny how it takes the party for self-proclaimed conservatives to get near the brink of destruction for their members to start speaking truthfully about it.

I am not a Republican and have not been since 2002.

In 1976 my first Presidential election vote was for Jimmy Carter after voting for Reagan in the primaries. I also voted for Perot in '92 and '96 and Constitutionalist in 2008 and 2012.

 

[Centinel]

Funny how it takes the party for self-proclaimed conservatives to get near the brink of destruction for their members to start speaking truthfully about it.

Truthfully about what, exactly?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Truthfully about what, exactly?

"What is Truth?" - First Century Libertarian.

 

[kaz]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

Again, tyranny of the majority. Something our Constitution was designed to stop. Which is why to you people it's toilet paper

 

[JoeNormal]

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

But you agree that it's unethical for one person to initiate aggression against another's person or property? Or do you think we each have the right to do so?

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

Here are 5 countries that have no income tax. Take your pick.

The 5 Countries Without Income Taxes | Investopedia

 

[kaz]

But you agree that it's unethical for one person to initiate aggression against another's person or property? Or do you think we each have the right to do so?

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

Here are 5 countries that have no income tax. Take your pick.

The 5 Countries Without Income Taxes | Investopedia

Funny how you never have leave as your standard when leftists want to change laws ...

 

[rightwinger]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

Again, tyranny of the majority. Something our Constitution was designed to stop. Which is why to you people it's toilet paper

It is why we have a court system...to protect the rights of the minority

A Court System Libertarians despise

 

[Wry Catcher]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

Exactly, he's referring to the tyranny of the majority. The left only support the minority when it rationalizes the tyranny of the majority

Another moron, but who's counting. In our democratic republic, We the People elect representatives to make laws.

As I said, you're advocating tyranny of the majority. You didn't contradict that. Our laws under the Constitution were designed to prevent tyranny of the majority, which is why you ignore the Constitution

Wow (sarcasm to follow) what a wonderful example of expository writing, you should be so proud of your abilities to produce a cogent argument, punctuated with clear and persuasive examples and sound logic.

In the immortal words of The Dick (Cheney), "go **** yourself". I'm sure taking his advice will give you more pleasure than your preferred activity - mental masturbation.

 

[JoeNormal]

Give us an example.....I can't wait

Robbery, theft by trick, extortion, theft, burglary, murder, fraud, rape, kidnapping, assault, battery.

These would be examples of one person initiating aggression against another's person or property. Or more generally, any time a person is the first to violate the person or property of his fellow man.

All are crimes
Now...is this the part where you try to claim taxation is an act of aggression?

Again, how does taxation differ from theft or armed robbery?

Here are 5 countries that have no income tax. Take your pick.

The 5 Countries Without Income Taxes | Investopedia

Funny how you never have leave as your standard when leftists want to change laws ...

This is a response to numerous suggestions that if I would like to see the US become more like Europe that I should leave.

 

[bripat9643]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

How does that give anyone the right to loot their fellow man?

 

[kaz]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

Exactly, he's referring to the tyranny of the majority. The left only support the minority when it rationalizes the tyranny of the majority

Another moron, but who's counting. In our democratic republic, We the People elect representatives to make laws.

As I said, you're advocating tyranny of the majority. You didn't contradict that. Our laws under the Constitution were designed to prevent tyranny of the majority, which is why you ignore the Constitution

Wow (sarcasm to follow) what a wonderful example of expository writing, you should be so proud of your abilities to produce a cogent argument, punctuated with clear and persuasive examples and sound logic.

In the immortal words of The Dick (Cheney), "go **** yourself". I'm sure taking his advice will give you more pleasure than your preferred activity - mental masturbation.

Seriously, you didn't get it? Now that's stupid I can't make up. It's what you keep saying, the vote justifies the end. Here's a clue, Alfalfa. Read the discussion I quoted ...

 

[Wry Catcher]

• Government is not unlimited
• Money in the political arena is the cancer which is killing our Republic
• A society is inherently collective, be it a small family, a tribe / religious order, or a nation take care of their own
• Poverty is the ultimate form of liberty, when one has no responsibilities they are free to act without restraint
• Libertarianism is a utopian fantasy, it lacks pragmatism and compassion
• " Conservatarians" support government which benefits themselves, abhors government which benefits others

There is no bigger "utopian fantasy" than liberalism my friend.

Easy to say, kinda hard to prove. The liberal has been typecast as a bleeding heart, a Marxist, a Fascist, a Statist, a taxer and a spender, a racist, a bigot, evil and a dozen or more other characteristics, but the one real common denominator is this: a movement which sees problems and seeks solutions. Some pragmatic, some radical, some foolish and many successful.

"Sees problems and seeks solutions", unfortunately they're the ones creating the problems they're seeking the solutions for.

"The liberal" (what a complete bastardization of the term) needs to start solving his/her own "problems" and leaving everybody else the **** alone which will result in far less "problems" and far less violence in the world. Apparently nobody informed the prosperity and liberty destroying busy bodies of the left that they have no freakin' clue what is best for everybody else (hell most of 'em can't even decide what's best for themselves).

You seem very bitter, as well as misinformed. Please let me know which source(s) provided you with the opinions you so readily espouse and how "The liberal" created "problems" and more violence in the world.

LOL, why would I be "bitter" when I have gub'mint worshiping wind up toys like you to keep me entertained? As far as misinformed, as usual you're great at making assertions, not so good at backing them up; color me surprised that you failed to do it again.

[I bet you will not address the questions, and have no evidence to support your conclusions]

You first, after all you're the activist gub'mint warfare/welfare state pom-pom waiving cheerleader, perhaps you can explain why after getting what you've always wanted the Republic isn't in such great shape and the folks you worship continue apace to slaughter innocents around the globe and drive us ever closer to financial ruin, YOU'RE responsible for the mess, not us libertarians.

Lucy, you got some 'xplainin' to do.

I noticed Rottweiler thought your post a winner - that should give you pause, anytime a card carrying member of the idiot fringe gives one credit they should know they are on the wrong side of logic.

Hey pal maybe you might think about taking a look in the mirror and stop worrying about what other posters do, since you're just another run of the mill gub'mint worshiper with nothing particularly insightful or even humorous to say.

Nice rant, no facts, no evidence, no substance. The first take away is my observation, "I bet you will not address the questions, and have no evidence to support your conclusions" was correct. BTW, your use of the word gub'mint is childish, even an average third grade student would find it so.

 

[kaz]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

How does that give anyone the right to loot their fellow man?

He keeps saying majority vote gives them the right. Then when I say tyranny of the majority, he says WTF, who said that?

 

[bripat9643]

Are you intimating that you consider it ethically legitimate for one person to initiate aggression against another or another's property?

Taxes are not aggression

It is the price we pay for a civilized society

They sure as hell are aggression. How does government collect taxes without aggressing against people who are minding their own business?

By the rule of law you moron.

So if the rule of law says push the Jews into the gas ovens, that's not aggression?

"The rule of law" isn't a magic incantation that turns an immoral act into a moral one. Neither is "majority rule."

You're not only a moron, I suspect you are nuts too.

So you think the "rule of law," by which you mean mob rule, is a magic incantation that justifies anything?

 

[bripat9643]

By the rule of law you moron.

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

In the US, by winning more votes than an opponent.

Again, tyranny of the majority. Something our Constitution was designed to stop. Which is why to you people it's toilet paper

It is why we have a court system...to protect the rights of the minority

A Court System Libertarians despise

How does the court system protect the rights of the minority when it's staffed by agents of the majority?

 

[Wry Catcher]

By which you mean the rule of the people over other people.

How does one person acquire the privilege of ruling over his fellow man?

Exactly, he's referring to the tyranny of the majority. The left only support the minority when it rationalizes the tyranny of the majority

Another moron, but who's counting. In our democratic republic, We the People elect representatives to make laws.

As I said, you're advocating tyranny of the majority. You didn't contradict that. Our laws under the Constitution were designed to prevent tyranny of the majority, which is why you ignore the Constitution

Wow (sarcasm to follow) what a wonderful example of expository writing, you should be so proud of your abilities to produce a cogent argument, punctuated with clear and persuasive examples and sound logic.

In the immortal words of The Dick (Cheney), "go **** yourself". I'm sure taking his advice will give you more pleasure than your preferred activity - mental masturbation.

Seriously, you didn't get it? Now that's stupid I can't make up. It's what you keep saying, the vote justifies the end. Here's a clue, Alfalfa. Read the discussion I quoted ...

Herein is something both you and Nightfox need to peruse, sorry bripat, it is too difficult for someone like you.

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