How does atmospheric CO2 heat up the ocean under a glacier?

[Sunsettommy]

I read some AGW porn on how the ocean under the Antarctic Thwaites Glacier the Doomsdsy Glacier eeeeekkkk! was warming and was gonna cause Obama's and Kerrys and Gore's beachfront properties to sink!

Can someone explain how adding 10, 20 or even 100ppm of CO2 to the atmosphere does that??

Warm ocean waters flow under glaciers.

No, really, tell us how that works from atmospheric CO2

Why don't you just focus on warming ocean temperatures.

What is warming ocean waters?

1) Volcano
2) Solar Radiation
3) Bogeyman molecule?

Which 2 answers are correct?

 

[ReinyDays]

Um wouldn't it also prevent IR from that big yellow thing in the sky from reaching Earth surface? Maybe make a hot spot in the upper atmosphere?

Indeed ... we measure a thermal maxima at the stratopause for this reason ... and the Sun radiates more energy in these IR bands ... a fact universally ignored by the AGW Hysterics ...

GHG gases work both ways ... redirecting outbound energy back to the Earth's surface, and increasing temperature there, AND redirecting incoming energy from the Sun back out into space, never allowing the energy to reach the Earth's surface, and never contributing to AGW ...

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The mistake in the OP is that it is the surface of the Earth that is being warmed ... which in turn warms the atmosphere ... the question is backwards, it should be "how does the ocean warm the air?" ... ice floats, it's only ocean surface temperature that matters regarding ice melt ... we don't care what's happening at depth ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Actually it acts more like a choke. Trap implies CO2 doesn't allow heat to escape which is false.

Spot on correct in our macroscopic viewpoint ... the flow of energy is slowed down by GHGs, and the more time the energy spends in the atmosphere, thus the higher the amount of energy we will measure in the atmosphere ... the analogy of a gardener's greenhouse only works so far and it will begin to fail ... not a lid on your pot, more like window screening ... the energy is free to escape, just more slowly, increasing temperatures inside the pot if we keep the water below 100ºC ...

 

[alang1216]

I read some AGW porn on how the ocean under the Antarctic Thwaites Glacier the Doomsdsy Glacier eeeeekkkk! was warming and was gonna cause Obama's and Kerrys and Gore's beachfront properties to sink!

Can someone explain how adding 10, 20 or even 100ppm of CO2 to the atmosphere does that??

Warm ocean waters flow under glaciers.

No, really, tell us how that works from atmospheric CO2

Why don't you just focus on warming ocean temperatures.

What is warming ocean waters?

1) Volcano
2) Solar Radiation
3) Bogeyman molecule?

Which 2 answers are correct?

2) Solar Radiation (and re-radiation from the greenhouse effect)

I doubt there is sufficient volcanic activity to make a real impact.

 

[ding]

Actually it acts more like a choke. Trap implies CO2 doesn't allow heat to escape which is false.

Spot on correct in our macroscopic viewpoint ... the flow of energy is slowed down by GHGs, and the more time the energy spends in the atmosphere, thus the higher the amount of energy we will measure in the atmosphere ... the analogy of a gardener's greenhouse only works so far and it will begin to fail ... not a lid on your pot, more like window screening ... the energy is free to escape, just more slowly, increasing temperatures inside the pot if we keep the water below 100ºC ...

I'm not smart enough to look at things any other way than macroscopically.

 

[ReinyDays]

I doubt there is sufficient volcanic activity to make a real impact.

That's not the case for the Crater Glacier inside Mt St Helens ... authorities have allow a very few video crews into this area ... the entire ten minute segment from Oregon Field Guide is posted below ... pretty obvious the volcanic activity has a major effect on the glacier ...

 

[alang1216]

I doubt there is sufficient volcanic activity to make a real impact.

That's not the case for the Crater Glacier inside Mt St Helens ... authorities have allow a very few video crews into this area ... the entire ten minute segment from Oregon Field Guide is posted below ... pretty obvious the volcanic activity has a major effect on the glacier ...

The question I responded to was: "What is warming ocean waters?". Not sure what the connection to Mt St Helens is?

 

[ReinyDays]

The question I responded to was: "What is warming ocean waters?". Not sure what the connection to Mt St Helens is?

Volcanic activity can make a real impact ... as demonstrated by Mt St Helens ... why would you think an erupting volcano under a glacier wouldn't cause the glacier to melt? ...

 

[alang1216]

The question I responded to was: "What is warming ocean waters?". Not sure what the connection to Mt St Helens is?

Volcanic activity can make a real impact ... as demonstrated by Mt St Helens ... why would you think an erupting volcano under a glacier wouldn't cause the glacier to melt? ...

You're accusing me of saying something I never said or commented on. Is there an instance where changes in volcanic activity had a effect on ocean temperatures?

 

[Sunsettommy]

I read some AGW porn on how the ocean under the Antarctic Thwaites Glacier the Doomsdsy Glacier eeeeekkkk! was warming and was gonna cause Obama's and Kerrys and Gore's beachfront properties to sink!

Can someone explain how adding 10, 20 or even 100ppm of CO2 to the atmosphere does that??

Warm ocean waters flow under glaciers.

No, really, tell us how that works from atmospheric CO2

Why don't you just focus on warming ocean temperatures.

What is warming ocean waters?

1) Volcano
2) Solar Radiation
3) Bogeyman molecule?

Which 2 answers are correct?

2) Solar Radiation (and re-radiation from the greenhouse effect)

I doubt there is sufficient volcanic activity to make a real impact.

You didn't see the link I posted showing that Pine Island Glacier is getting a lot of heat from a Volcano

Your should have known this by now, it has been in the news for several years now.

Then you agree that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters, at least you got this part correct.

 

[alang1216]

You didn't see the link I posted showing that Pine Island Glacier is getting a lot of heat from a Volcano

Your should have known this by now, it has been in the news for several years now.

Then you agree that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters, at least you got this part correct.

You seemed confused. The Pine Island Glacier is NOT being warmed by the ocean since it is on LAND and is hardly evidence that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters. No matter how much you wish it were.

 

[Sunsettommy]

You didn't see the link I posted showing that Pine Island Glacier is getting a lot of heat from a Volcano

Your should have known this by now, it has been in the news for several years now.

Then you agree that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters, at least you got this part correct.

You seemed confused. The Pine Island Glacier is NOT being warmed by the ocean since it is on LAND and is hardly evidence that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters. No matter how much you wish it were.

Your reading skills needs improving since I never said ocean water is melting the glacier at all, here is what I actually wrote:

"You didn't see the link I posted showing that Pine Island Glacier is getting a lot of heat from a Volcano

Your should have known this by now, it has been in the news for several years now.

Then you agree that CO2 isn't warming the ocean waters, at least you got this part correct."


YOU are the one who got confused by my correct statement.

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You show inability to show how CO2 a trace gas can warm the vast ocean basin, when is YOUR explanation coming?

You first try was an utter failure because you didn't provide the link to your undersized cartoon.

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As usual warmists like you too lazy to read the posted link:

Tracing a chemical signature of helium in seawater, an international team of scientists funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United Kingdom's (U.K.) Natural Environment Research Council (NERC) has discovered a previously unknown volcanic hotspot beneath the massive West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS).

and,

"However, researchers do know that the heat from the volcano is producing melting beneath the ice sheet. This meltwater is leaking across the grounding line where the ice shelf meets the ocean."

bolding mine

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It is clear the VOLCANO is generating melting UNDER the Ice sheet.