How do you prove you are a US Citizens if you do not have a birth certificate?

[Flopper]

My housekeeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

 

[martybegan]

My house keeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

How do you not have a birth certificate, or another document that requires having a birth certificate?

This story smells fishy.

 

[Woodznutz]

To paraphrase William Munny in "Unforgiven", "Well, she should have got one." BLAM!

 

[Flopper]

How do you not have a birth certificate, or another document that requires having a birth certificate?

This story smells fishy.

In California and likely in other states you can enroll a child in school without a birth certificate. It’s also possible to obtain a state ID card by simply proving residency. In many migrant communities, birth certificates are rarely requested or required. My housekeeper, for example, began working alongside her mother over a decade ago and has never had a birth certificate.

 

[martybegan]

In California and likely in other states you can enroll a child in school without a birth certificate. It’s also possible to obtain a state ID card by simply proving residency. In many migrant communities, birth certificates are rarely requested or required. My housekeeper, for example, began working alongside her mother over a decade ago and has never had a birth certificate.

Well you shouldn't be able to, not without other forms of verification.

Allowing illegals to get documents is why we are in this fucked up situation right now to begin with.

 

[Flopper]

To paraphrase William Munny in "Unforgiven", "Well, she should have got one." BLAM!

That is the question I posed in this thread. How do you do that if you don't know your exact birthdate or where you were born?

 

[BackAgain]

If you were born in another land, having a birth certificate may not be helpful.

If you were born in the USA and don’t have a birth certificate, they aren’t exactly difficult to obtain.

If you can’t get it, maybe, in fact, you aren’t a U.S. citizen.

 

[1srelluc]

Have her call The Halfrican and see if he can hook her up with a good forger.

 

[progressive hunter]

In California and likely in other states you can enroll a child in school without a birth certificate. It’s also possible to obtain a state ID card by simply proving residency. In many migrant communities, birth certificates are rarely requested or required. My housekeeper, for example, began working alongside her mother over a decade ago and has never had a birth certificate.

are you OK with that or do you see the same problem we see??

 

[Flopper]

Well you shouldn't be able to, not without other forms of verification.

Allowing illegals to get documents is why we are in this fucked up situation right now to begin with.

I believe that, like my housekeeper, many undocumented immigrants are not the cause of the problem—they are victims of a broken system. Consider the following examples:

• Parents who fail to provide documentation for their children, leaving them without legal status through no fault of their own.
• U.S. citizens who marry undocumented immigrants and then abandon them, leaving their spouses in legal limbo. These immigrants may be eligible for citizenship but are unable to apply without support.
• Asylum seekers who are accepted as candidates pending a final hearing, which can take years. During that time, they exist in a quasi-legal state: protected by court order but not granted legal status under the law.
• The largest group of undocumented immigrants are those who initially enter the country legally but overstay their visas. Many try to extend their stay or change their status by applying for new visas or requesting delays due to circumstances recognized by law or regulation. But with postponed hearings, lost paperwork, and bureaucratic delays, the process can drag on for months or even years. Some eventually give up—either leaving the country unnoticed or remaining in the U.S. without legal status.

 

[martybegan]

I believe that, like my housekeeper, many undocumented immigrants are not the cause of the problem—they are victims of a broken system. Consider the following examples:

• Parents who fail to provide documentation for their children, leaving them without legal status through no fault of their own.
• U.S. citizens who marry undocumented immigrants and then abandon them, leaving their spouses in legal limbo. These immigrants may be eligible for citizenship but are unable to apply without support.
• Asylum seekers who are accepted as candidates pending a final hearing, which can take years. During that time, they exist in a quasi-legal state: protected by court order but not granted legal status under the law.
• The largest group of undocumented immigrants are those who initially enter the country legally but overstay their visas. Many try to extend their stay or change their status by applying for new visas or requesting delays due to circumstances recognized by law or regulation. But with postponed hearings, lost paperwork, and bureaucratic delays, the process can drag on for months or even years. Some eventually give up—either leaving the country unnoticed or remaining in the U.S. without legal status.

Sorry, but not my problem, and not the problem of the United States of America and everyone who tries to come here following the ******* rules.

Maybe some compromise was possible before Dems opened the ******* floodgates, but sorry, no sympathy coming from me and a large portion of the American people.

Next time progressives should try to actually compromise a bit on the front end if they don't want a backlash on the back end.

FAFO

 

[MarathonMike]

In California and likely in other states you can enroll a child in school without a birth certificate. It’s also possible to obtain a state ID card by simply proving residency. In many migrant communities, birth certificates are rarely requested or required. My housekeeper, for example, began working alongside her mother over a decade ago and has never had a birth certificate.

Can she register with USCIS for DACA status?

 

[Flopper]

are you OK with that or do you see the same problem we see??

Historically, Americans have resisted the idea of government identification. It smacks too much of the totalitarian states America has opposed historically. It creates a system in which Big Brother can more easy controlling lives of Americans.

Unfortunately, our lack of consistent immigration enforcement and fair laws and regulations have created an unworkable system that can only be managed by totalitarian measures which destroy the lives of both the innocent and guilty.

I believe what we have seen over the last few decades will continue, very liberal immigration polices welcoming migrants followed by brutal polices of mass deportation.

 

[WelfareQueen]

My housekeeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

By Law, anyone born in the United States is issued a Birth Certificate when they are born and a Death Certificate when they die. Unless her mother gave birth to her in a corn field or a gas station restroom she has a birth certificate.

 

[Failzero]

You could have a Carry permit or a Military ID or a Pilots license or a Realtors License …

 

[WelfareQueen]

Historically, Americans have resisted the idea of government identification. It smacks too much of the totalitarian states America has opposed historically. It creates a system in which Big Brother can more easy controlling lives of Americans.

Unfortunately, our lack of consistent immigration enforcement and fair laws and regulations have created an unworkable system that can only be managed by totalitarian measures which destroy the lives of both the innocent and guilty.

I believe what we have seen over the last few decades will continue, very liberal immigration polices welcoming migrants followed by brutal polices of mass deportation.

The Laws are fair. The enforcement is the problem. Biden and the Dims let in 20 million illegals. You cannot have a functional Nation with that kind of invasion. Trump is cleaning up Biden and the Dims' mess. Legal immigration is fine. Vet the people coming in and have an orderly and legal process. Letting in millions of unvetted people (mostly young men) is not acceptable to any rational person.

 

[the watcher]

Birth certificates are registered in the hospital and state where the birth occurred. They can usually be obtained by applying for a certified copy. If you were born some time ago the hospital may not be still there, or the certificate may not have been registered or lost. When my wife was getting her passport (also to get a real id 2 years ago) a few years ago they wouldn't accept her bc because she had a military birth certificate that was issued at Corona at the Marine base and was not registered in the State of California. She had to obtain one from Sacramento after she had a notarized affidavit from the manager of her bank for 40 years stating that she was who she says she is with bank records. I don't know how it works now, the social security system is compromised pretty badly.

 

[Flopper]

Sorry, but not my problem, and not the problem of the United States of America and everyone who tries to come here following the ******* rules.

Maybe some compromise was possible before Dems opened the ******* floodgates, but sorry, no sympathy coming from me and a large portion of the American people.

Next time progressives should try to actually compromise a bit on the front end if they don't want a backlash on the back end.

FAFO

And when Nazis raided businesses and homes rounding up jews and communist, most Germans didn't consider it their problem. After all, some innocent people have to suffer for the greater good, right.

 

[marvin martian]

My housekeeper ask me this. Her mother was a migrant farm worker. Soon after her birth another family unofficially adopted her. She believes she was born in August 1998 in Southern California or Arizona but she is not sure. She is afraid to go to an immigration office because ICE is monitoring the offices. She ask me if there was a state or national database where she can search for her birth certificate.

The county where she was born would have the records. That's the only way to get it if no other copies are available.

 

[the watcher]

And when Nazis raided businesses and homes rounding up jews and communist, most Germans didn't consider it their problem. After all, some innocent people have to suffer for the greater good, right.

This would not be necessary if we hadn't let politicians and greedy businesspeople ignore laws and common sense. We let 30 or 40 million people enter our country without any restraints and now we are out of nice ways to address it. Put some of these cheap labor importers in jail and kick out some of these paid off politicians and we might possibly get back to a semblance of capitalism instead of this corporate feudalism we live under now.