How Do You Find Middle Ground With a Party That Has No Plan?’

[PredFan]

The Republican 'plan' has been tried and failed.

"What experience and history teach is this-that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel

When was that?

Never.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Democrats have no plan to fix any of our big problems why would anyone vote for them?

The Republicans could make some head way with the Democrats if they'd stop coddling the military industrial complex and start chopping away at the defense budget. It's way too big. Democrats aren't going to give in to entitlement cuts if Republicans aren't willing to compromise on their sacred cow too.

 

[candycorn]

He said that on the same day that he voted against the Ryan "plan". Paul's budget was voted down 16-83. The parties agree basically on one thing; that Paul's budget sucked.

But obviously, not as much as Obama's.

Not too mention that voting for Obama's would have garnered some favor, unless of course the Democrats were TOLD to vote against it? Think that happened?

Congress consistently votes down the President's proposed budget as a pro-forma move. Congress is entrusted with formulating the National Budget. Republicans resoundingly voted down's Reagan budget more than once. This is a customary process.

Sophisticated individuals realize this.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What sacrifices (since sacrifices HAVE to be made) by the Rich are the Republicans willing to support

to reach this 'middle ground'?

What sacrifice are you willing to make?

 

[Too Tall]

He said that on the same day that he voted against the Ryan "plan". Paul's budget was voted down 16-83. The parties agree basically on one thing; that Paul's budget sucked.

But obviously, not as much as Obama's.

Not too mention that voting for Obama's would have garnered some favor, unless of course the Democrats were TOLD to vote against it? Think that happened?

Congress consistently votes down the President's proposed budget as a pro-forma move. Congress is entrusted with formulating the National Budget. Republicans resoundingly voted down's Reagan budget more than once. This is a customary process.

Sophisticated individuals realize this.

Sophisticated individual realize BS when they see it.

Back in the Reagan years, when every Reagan budget proposal was pronounced “dead on arrival” when it came to Capitol Hill, it could rely on substantial GOP support, and became a fixed point from which serious budget compromises would then be hammered out.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is a plan and it's being followed....

...what we need to realize, is that dems/reps are flip-sides of the same coin. Our mistake, is acting like they are not. We've got to get past thinking token gestures of change, are actually change itself. In reality, no matter which party is in power, the status quo is always maintained.

That's how you get an anti-war Senator elected, but the wars don't end, they just change shape.
That's how you get a Congress, elected to impeach a President and the first thing the new Speaker of the House does, is take impeachment off the table.
That's how you get a healthcare bill, designed to cut healthcare costs, without the only thing that would actually "cut the costs", but with a "mandate" that increased revenue for healthcare industry corporations.
That's how you get a defense budget that increases, when there is no direct threat to our national security.
That's how you get $4.5 trillion tax payer dollars spent on two wars, with no direct benefit for average American's, at the same time the economy crumbles.
That's how you get a military, that is supposed to defend this country, but are not physically in the country they are defending.
And finally, that's how you get a country founded on a Bill of Rights, have those rights nullified (and compromised) with successive legislation, from either party.​

 

[PredFan]

The Democrats have no plan to fix any of our big problems why would anyone vote for them?

The Republicans could make some head way with the Democrats if they'd stop coddling the military industrial complex and start chopping away at the defense budget. It's way too big. Democrats aren't going to give in to entitlement cuts if Republicans aren't willing to compromise on their sacred cow too.

If you think for one minute that the Democrats would cut any entitlements at all, even if the GOP was willing to cut military spending, you're out of your ever loving mind. We Conservatives are not so naive.

 

[PredFan]

There is a plan and it's being followed....

...what we need to realize, is that dems/reps are flip-sides of the same coin. Our mistake, is acting like they are not. We've got to get past thinking token gestures of change, are actually change itself. In reality, no matter which party is in power, the status quo is always maintained.

That's how you get an anti-war Senator elected, but the wars don't end, they just change shape.
That's how you get a Congress, elected to impeach a President and the first thing the new Speaker of the House does, is take impeachment off the table.
That's how you get a healthcare bill, designed to cut healthcare costs, without the only thing that would actually "cut the costs", but with a "mandate" that increased revenue for healthcare industry corporations.
That's how you get a defense budget that increases, when there is no direct threat to our national security.
That's how you get $4.5 trillion tax payer dollars spent on two wars, with no direct benefit for average American's, at the same time the economy crumbles.
That's how you get a military, that is supposed to defend this country, but are not physically in the country they are defending.
And finally, that's how you get a country founded on a Bill of Rights, have those rights nullified (and compromised) with successive legislation, from either party.​

And your plan is what?

 

[Katzndogz]

Of course democrats have a plan. It's silly to suggest that they have not. They have the same plan as Stalin, Mao and Castro. That's the plan.

 

[JoeB131]

I find it amusing that until the Congress decided to meddle in private home ownership by forcing banks and GSEs to lend money to unqualified borrowers, that these alleged 'failed policies have provided this country with over 25 years of economic prosperity (with a few speed bumps along the way of course).

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The Government has been requiring banks not to discriminate for decades.

Please don't try to trot out that old horse.

The banks collapsed because they took those mortgages and mixed the bad ones in with good one and sold them as stocks. That combined with an over-inflated housing market (again, thanks to the banks) and a lack of regulatory oversight is why the system collapsed.

The real problems, though are Free Trade causing us to bleed half a trillion in wealth every year for the last 30 years and the decline of the middle class. Both of which we can thank Republicans for more than Democrats.

But Mitt Got his Car Elevator, that's the important thing.

 

[The Rabbi]

I find it amusing that until the Congress decided to meddle in private home ownership by forcing banks and GSEs to lend money to unqualified borrowers, that these alleged 'failed policies have provided this country with over 25 years of economic prosperity (with a few speed bumps along the way of course).

.

The Government has been requiring banks not to discriminate for decades.

Please don't try to trot out that old horse.

The banks collapsed because they took those mortgages and mixed the bad ones in with good one and sold them as stocks. That combined with an over-inflated housing market (again, thanks to the banks) and a lack of regulatory oversight is why the system collapsed.

The real problems, though are Free Trade causing us to bleed half a trillion in wealth every year for the last 30 years and the decline of the middle class. Both of which we can thank Republicans for more than Democrats.

But Mitt Got his Car Elevator, that's the important thing.

I honestly don't know how anyone could pack as much misinformation into one post as you just did. Virtually every sentence has something that is incorrect. The banks did not collapse. They did not mix good and bad mortgages and sell them as stocks. The housing market was not over inflated due to banks. and there was no lack of regulation.
Free trade builds wealth rather than destroys it. The middle class has not declined.

 

[JoeB131]

I honestly don't know how anyone could pack as much misinformation into one post as you just did. Virtually every sentence has something that is incorrect. The banks did not collapse. They did not mix good and bad mortgages and sell them as stocks. The housing market was not over inflated due to banks. and there was no lack of regulation.
Free trade builds wealth rather than destroys it. The middle class has not declined.

Okay, Clem, I guess if you think the double Wide you bought last year is a sign of your affluence, you can say so...

Incidently, I'm no longer taking you seriously, I'm just mocking you now.

 

[Billo_Really]

And your plan is what?

Vote out all incumbants until we get the government we want.

Make the turnover rate so great that they finally catch the clue that we don't care if they represent right, or represent left, as long as they represent us and not this corporate oligarchy that we have now.

Elected officials today are nothing more than corporate bitches, doing what they're told like good little whores. Bush or Obama, it doesn't matter, they both have the same pimp.

Members of Congress should be made to dress like NASCAR drivers. That way we could see who really controls who.

 

[Dot Com]

The Democrats have no plan to fix any of our big problems why would anyone vote for them?

Democrats have a plan, you simply don’t like it for subjective partisan reasons.

And republicans are on the record for refusing to compromise, in addition to offering poorly conceived plans predicated on failed policies.

One could ask why anyone would vote for them as well.

Agreed. When I saw the thread title it brought to mind the GObP too.

 

[The Rabbi]

I honestly don't know how anyone could pack as much misinformation into one post as you just did. Virtually every sentence has something that is incorrect. The banks did not collapse. They did not mix good and bad mortgages and sell them as stocks. The housing market was not over inflated due to banks. and there was no lack of regulation.
Free trade builds wealth rather than destroys it. The middle class has not declined.

Okay, Clem, I guess if you think the double Wide you bought last year is a sign of your affluence, you can say so...

]

Incidently, I'm no longer taking you seriously, I'm just mocking you now.

Make sure you let me know when you are mocking something and when you mean a serious post. Yours are so stupid and ill-informed I can't tell the difference.

 

[The T]

And your plan is what?

Vote out all incumbants until we get the government we want.

Make the turnover rate so great that they finally catch the clue that we don't care if they represent right, or represent left, as long as they represent us and not this corporate oligarchy that we have now.

Elected officials today are nothing more than corporate bitches, doing what they're told like good little whores. Bush or Obama, it doesn't matter, they both have the same pimp.

Members of Congress should be made to dress like NASCAR drivers. That way we could see who really controls who.

Now post one with Obama as the model IF you wish to be honest LoinBoi

 

[code1211]

The Republican 'plan' has been tried and failed.

"What experience and history teach is this-that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel

That is incorrect. The Republican's plan, while flawed, provided for more prosperity and growth than anything the current President or his Congress has provided in the last 3.5 years.

That's nonsense.

From where we were when this president took office, we are currently seeing approximately an 900,000 per month job growth improvement, and an 11 percentage point improvement in GDP growth.

Are these 3 and a half year totals? If yes, that's really disappointing.

 

[code1211]

Middle ground on what? The budget? Deficit reduction? Middle ground on fiscal matters would be a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.

Which tax increases are the Republicans willing to support in order to reach the 'middle ground'?

The American people are paying 4.4 trillion in taxes already,when you add Federal,State,City and County.
You can't get blood out of turnip. Especially during a recession.
Feds get 2.2 trillion and spends 3.6 trillion. It's an out of control spending problem and not a tax problem.

That's the GOP's argument. It's wrong and it dodges the question.

Which tax increases are the Republicans willing to support in order to reach the 'middle ground'?

If there is no proposal from the Democrat Party either the bewb in the White house or the Slackers in the Senate, how do you determine where the middle ground is?

 

[code1211]

He said that on the same day that he voted against the Ryan "plan". Paul's budget was voted down 16-83. The parties agree basically on one thing; that Paul's budget sucked.

But obviously, not as much as Obama's.

Not too mention that voting for Obama's would have garnered some favor, unless of course the Democrats were TOLD to vote against it? Think that happened?

Congress consistently votes down the President's proposed budget as a pro-forma move. Congress is entrusted with formulating the National Budget. Republicans resoundingly voted down's Reagan budget more than once. This is a customary process.

Sophisticated individuals realize this.

So far, there has not been even one vote by any member of either House in favor of the Big 0's budgets in any year.

Was that also true of previous Presidential budgets?

 

[code1211]

I find it amusing that until the Congress decided to meddle in private home ownership by forcing banks and GSEs to lend money to unqualified borrowers, that these alleged 'failed policies have provided this country with over 25 years of economic prosperity (with a few speed bumps along the way of course).

.

The Government has been requiring banks not to discriminate for decades.

Please don't try to trot out that old horse.

The banks collapsed because they took those mortgages and mixed the bad ones in with good one and sold them as stocks. That combined with an over-inflated housing market (again, thanks to the banks) and a lack of regulatory oversight is why the system collapsed.

The real problems, though are Free Trade causing us to bleed half a trillion in wealth every year for the last 30 years and the decline of the middle class. Both of which we can thank Republicans for more than Democrats.

But Mitt Got his Car Elevator, that's the important thing.

What might happen for our employment if we set on a course to be energy independent and an OPEC nation before 2022?