How do Democrats Really View Socialism?

[Robert W]

The US has been capitalist/socialist since FDR's The New Deal, and probably even before that. If you don't know that, I don't know what to tell you.

It's true. However socialism has been a net loss for citizens.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

CNN released polling which showed since 2013 the approval for socialism has increased 36% among Democrat voters. During the same time support for Capitalism has crashed 13%.

The Democrat Party is now the Socialist Party. Period. It is not up for debate. Socialism is a mainstream Democrat Party belief.

Meanwhile, among the general electorate their view of Socialism is -18% and Capitalism is up 12%

So, what does this mean? I think it is clear the Dims are in a terrible situation with the American electorate, and they will struggle mightily to win National elections. The divide could not be starker.


Discuss


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rightwinger

Trump is a socialist with his bullshit tariffs and his demand that Walmart implement price controls.

You really are a dirt stupid MAGA bumpkin.

 

[pknopp]

agreed upon social services as a society and some regulations make sense but there is a line that shouldnt be crossed. That seems to be where the definitions of Socialism lies, I suppose.

What line is that?

 

[Robert W]

So is China.

Democrats screwed America by installing socialism! Big time. The National debt is proof.

 

[midcan5]

America is a mixed political system with capitalism and socialism. America prides itself on its safety nets for those in need. Lots of examples if you take the time to check them out. And those safety nets are the work of republicans and democrats again if you look. But the fascist posters online here don't care, they may not even be Americans. Trump is a fascist - a rich one as he inherited his wealth, didn't work for it. But still a fascist by definition. Lots online here too - but I hate labels as they often block understanding and change.

America’s Safety Net

“America’s Safety Net,” a series from the PBS NewsHour, is focused on the complex web of programs meant to help Americans in need.

www.pbs.org

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, the forcible suppression of opposition, and the regimentation of society and the economy. "

 

[Robert W]

Trump is a socialist with his bullshit tariffs and his demand that Walmart implement price controls.

You really are a dirt stupid MAGA bumpkin.

Your last sentence labels you as a Democrat!

 

[d0gbreath]

It's true. However socialism has been a net loss for citizens.

Taxes were raised to fund the socialist programs. So, I'll give you that. But, the government oversaw all of it.

 

[d0gbreath]

Democrats screwed America by installing socialism! Big time. The National debt is proof.

The national debt is mostly based upon the department of war.

 

[Yarddog]

What line is that?

probably instituting unelected bureaucracies to the point no one knows whats going on and corruption runs rampant. The line should probably be somewhere before we get to that point, and honestly its a complicated issue because I do believe in some common safety nets for some individuals .. so people are not living on the streets and living productive lives instead.
A trap of socialism might be, you can think money can just be thrown at problems .But we have seen that programs that dont work can get by without facing accountability. Thus Government has more of a tendency to be watseful than private industry does. FOr one thing, hiring of employees in private industry is much different than governmental hires. One requires more expertise than the other.... for selfish monetary reasons of course but thats how money making businesses go, or you would never have products worth a damn.
I think what people really want is a balance.

 

[Winston]

The US has been capitalist/socialist since FDR's The New Deal, and probably even before that. If you don't know that, I don't know what to tell you.

Actually, since the American Revolution. It was called the Army Corp of Engineers. Sure, they built fortifications, but they also did things like map the interior of the country, In fact, socialism was alive and well in this country well before the American Revolution.

https://www.loc.gov/item/99466768/

That is a survey that George Washington did, working for the county, ******* Socialist. The reality is most these lamebrains that wail about the ebils of Socialism have no idea what Socialism really is.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[pknopp]

probably instituting unelected bureaucracies to the point no one knows whats going on and corruption runs rampant. The line should probably be somewhere before we get to that point, and honestly its a complicated issue because I do believe in some common safety nets for some individuals .. so people are not living on the streets and living productive lives instead.
A trap of socialism might be, you can think money can just be thrown at problems .But we have seen that programs that dont work can get by without facing accountability. Thus Government has more of a tendency to be watseful than private industry does. FOr one thing, hiring of employees in private industry is much different than governmental hires. One requires more expertise than the other.... for selfish monetary reasons of course but thats how money making businesses go, or you would never have products worth a damn.
I think what people really want is a balance.

Because that cant/doesnt happen with capitalism?

 

[White 6]

Both aspects of the democrat party

Don't forget the Republican Party. They regularly approve money from the people to be spent on projects individuals cannot afford. You do not hear of any of them turning down, their government healthcare benefits or government pension retirement benefits. Huge sums are given or loaned cheap to private industry, often with nothing produced, accept a big bank account for the private owners. You may not like the job public schools do, in many ways, but, this country would probably be a 3rd world country without the opportunity of a free education.
Our system is and has always been a mix, because pure socialism and pure capitalism are both bad.

 

[Yarddog]

Because that cant/doesnt happen with capitalism?

well of course societal ills can happen with pure Capitalism. I dont really know it ALL, so maybe oyther people can expound on this, but let me ask you.... what do you think makes for a stronger society in the MACRO, in the long run? when people are MORE reliant on the system or MORE self reliant. Pure Socialism or
mostly socialism will not challenge some individuals who need challenging.

When it comes to things like rent controls vs free market or Wage control vs free market, I'm going to mostly lean towards capitalism. One way seems like fairness but then it ends up stifling the economy, becoming anti growth and in the long run meaning less employment.

 

[pknopp]

well of course societal ills can happen with pure Capitalism. I dont really know it ALL, so maybe oyther people can expound on this, but let me ask you.... what do you think makes for a stronger society in the MACRO, in the long run? when people are MORE reliant on the system or MORE self reliant. Pure Socialism or
mostly socialism will not challenge some individuals who need challenging.

I'd be perfectly fine with pure capitalism but it's never going to be the case, so I'm going to side with whatever helps the over those who only want socialism for themselves.

When it comes to things like rent controls vs free market or Wage control vs free market, I'm going to mostly lean towards capitalism. One way seems like fairness but then it ends up stifling the economy, becoming anti growth and in the long run meaning less employment.

You cant price the workers out of a place to live.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do Democrats Really View Socialism?​

 

[Robert W]

The national debt is mostly based upon the department of war.

Well that's true. FDR Ww2, Truman Ww2,democrats, Vietnam, democrat, Korea democrats, yup war.