Zone1 How dangerous is the woke ideology? Where will we end up?

[Dogmaphobe]

I think the article I provided nailed it

Wokeism is used to delegitimize anything and everything that the political elite may oppose or take issue with.

It is a new religion.

Just realize what is woke constantly changes, based on the whims of the political elite. That is why they are so hesitant to define what a woman is. A woman to them is whatever they want them to be at any particular moment.

It's not that they believe in it, rather, it is just used to control.

It is Ingsoc.

 

[Mac1958]

The danger of PC/Identity Politics -- something about which many of us were warning the Left a long time ago -- manifested in the 2016 election of Donald Trump.

The Left still refuses to see it, but PC/Identity Politics created a massive resentment for many Americans, and they made their resentment clear at the ballot box.

Now the Right has taken their reaction, their pushback, to all-new levels. But it started with the Left.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The danger of PC/Identity Politics -- something about which many of us were warning the Left a long time ago -- manifested in the 2016 election of Donald Trump.

The Left still refuses to see it, but PC/Identity Politics created a massive resentment for many Americans, and they made their resentment clear at the ballot box.

Now the Right has taken their reaction, their pushback, to all-new levels. But it started with the Left.

You were against regressives before you were for regressives.

All it took was one orange man to flip the switch.

 

[Mac1958]

You were against regressives before you were for regressives.

All it took was one orange man to flip the switch.

I haven't changed on anything. Prove otherwise.

Meanwhile, you've joined the cult.

Now, prove otherwise. Back up your words.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I haven't changed on anything. Prove otherwise.

Meanwhile, you've joined the cult.

Now, prove otherwise. Back up your words.

Everybody who was here in 2016 knows how you completely changed.

 

[Mac1958]

Everybody who was here in 2016 knows how you completely changed.

And there ya go. Nothing. You can't name one (1) issue on which I've changed. Yet you bitch and moan anyway.

You people hump my leg every day here with that crap for one reason: I think that you rubes have fallen for the most obvious con man this country has ever seen.

You've turned your screen name into the most ironic thing on this board.

 

[beautress]

Can either of you define "woke" for us? Be specific.

If you can't define it, it's clear you're just using "woke" to mean "anything I don't like".

If you oppose "woke" theory, you could be waving freedom of speech goodbye. Notice how the "woke" weaponization of government agencies are causing totalitarian leftists to go after his freedom speech as they are going after President Trump because he is a conservative who opposes high taxes that are breaking the common people's backs who have to choose between buying food or fixing the old car, since the new ones are too expensive for people in the middle class and impossible to buy for the poor who have to pay rent, electricity, water, sewage, insurance, etc..

 

[beautress]

I think the article I provided nailed it

Wokeism is used to delegitimize anything and everything that the political elite may oppose or take issue with.

It is a new religion.

Just realize what is woke constantly changes, based on the whims of the political elite. That is why they are so hesitant to define what a woman is. A woman to them is whatever they want them to be at any particular moment.

It's not that they believe in it, rather, it is just used to control.

"Wokeism is used to delegitimize anything and everything that the political elite may oppose or take issue with."

The Woke political elite may oppose or take issue with anything that doesn't make them new money based on their investments that claim their products are 100% reusable, only they don't bat an eye entering the first class section to fly around the world, which takes more fuel than a year's worth of electric-generated automobiles which can cost more than a year's salary. What they ignore is that electric driving takes as much fossil fuel to generate, if not more than fossil fuel at the pump. Because people can't see the loss of electricity that flies off the transmission wires from coal-fueled electricity plants with back-up gasoline reserves, and that across-the-miles loss of electricity is quite wasteful, although people don't realize it, and the investors in electric generation may ignore the facts for a reliable income investment. IOW, electricity that is generated is not cheap in terms of fossil fuel. Why make the use of coal and gas in electric power plants known to the public who goes with the false narratives that omit the amount of fossil fuel it takes to fuel a car. Someday people are going to know that they are using a source of power that uses as much if not a lot more fossil fuel than gas at the pump? Keep those earplugs on tight, folks. You don't want to know stuff they don't tell you if you are a true-blue cow fart hater. OK, most people are cow-fart haters.

 

[Captain Caveman]

First define what a woman is.

Those that can't define what a woman is, can't call themselves one.

 

[sartre play]

INSANITY,
is the answer to ALL the extreme one sided views put out by those pushing any agenda,
& calling it the ONLY answer.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Everybody who was here in 2016 knows how you completely changed.

I don't believe Mac has changed at all.

 

[otto105]

By Canceling Richard Dawkins, the American Humanist Association Has Betrayed Its Values

The drive to punish dissenters from various orthodoxies is itself illiberal.

reason.com

You will never see Richard Dawkins write a book called the woke delusion like he did the God delusion. That is because Richard fears the consequences, unlike not fearing Christians by mocking them.

Even so, he has been cancelled from the woke movement anyway from comments he has made.

"Regrettably, Richard Dawkins has over the past several years accumulated a history of making statements that use the guise of scientific discourse to demean marginalized groups, an approach antithetical to humanist values," said the AHA. "His latest statement implies that the identities of transgender individuals are fraudulent, while also simultaneously attacking Black identity as one that can be assumed when convenient."

This is nonsense: Dawkins had raised a point that it is perfectly worthy of discussion, in accordance with the rationalist philosophy of the humanist movement. But it would also have been ridiculous for the organization to punish Dawkins even if the remark had been offensive, given that many of its past awardees have espoused controversial views, and even said insensitive things on Twitter.

Here was Dawkins' tweet, which concerned Rachel Dolezal, a chapter president of the NAACP who engendered controversy for identifying as black even though she was a white woman:



But the Left does not want to discuss anything with Richard. That is because, anything they don't like they ignore and marginalize by cancelling them. His academic future is over.

Where will woke culture take us?

Let’s all think about this.


Knowledge is dangerous how?

 

[MarathonMike]

Can either of you define "woke" for us? Be specific.

If you can't define it, it's clear you're just using "woke" to mean "anything I don't like".

As if.......

 

[MarathonMike]

I don't believe Mac has changed at all.

Yeah right. You don't have a very good memory, go back and look at his pre-Trump posts.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Yeah right. You don't have a very good memory, go back and look at his pre-Trump posts.

Nah, I'm good. You're just mistaken.

 

[mamooth]

DEI, Intersectionality, Trans extremism,

So, basically being a decent human is "woke".

silencing of any opposing viewpoint.

It's not the Democrats burning books and threatening to jail teachers, libranians and doctors in jail for saying the wrong thing. Your side makes censorship a policy, while the Democrats back free speech.

And you support the woke censors, by your definition.

 

[mamooth]

As we can see from their many posts here, the right now stands for nothing except identity politics.

Does America reject your policies? There's a solution for that. Just blame it on "wokeness". That way, you don't have to talk about the failure of your policies.

 

[otto105]

The danger of PC/Identity Politics -- something about which many of us were warning the Left a long time ago -- manifested in the 2016 election of Donald Trump.

The Left still refuses to see it, but PC/Identity Politics created a massive resentment for many Americans, and they made their resentment clear at the ballot box.

Now the Right has taken their reaction, their pushback, to all-new levels. But it started with the Left.

What has the Left failed to see?

A move by the republic party to fascism.

 

[Mac1958]

What has the Left failed to see?

A move by the republic party to fascism.

The Left has failed to see the fact that PC/Identity Politics created a massive resentment for many Americans, and they made their resentment clear at the ballot box.

 

[otto105]

BTW the rise of resentment politics has a rightwing origin. That was the rise of wingnut radio which fueled politicians like newt gingrinch to the current brand of maga ones exemplified by the likes of lauren boobert, green and gaetz. They don't offer good public policy just resentment-based performance theatre.