How communism actually is folks. Nothing graphic but to the point.

[Votto]

First of all, humans are all naturally and inherently communists, and always prefer living that way.
There is no family, club, small group, tribe, etc., that is not communist.

The problem comes from capitalists dictators that always subvert and destroy communism if it gets too large.
Like the way England, Germany, and Russia subverted the French Revolution and put capitalist dictator Napoleon on power in stead.
Then England, the US, and France subverted the Russian Revolution and put the capitalist dictator Stalin in power

The reason the French Revolution ended in despotism with Napoleon is because their revolution was based upon the premise of killing the rich and taking their wealth. A dictator will always rise in such amoral chaos.

The reason the US Revolution was successful was because their focus was individual liberty from government.

 

[sakinago]

North Korea has absolutely nothing even remotely similar or even related to communism.

Communism is when small individual cottage industries pool resources in order to afford the tech needed for mass production.
Communism has to be collaborative, communal, cooperative, local, and democratic.
North Korea is none of those things, so has nothing to do with communism.

Is this a joke? Or is this another case of retroactive reconstruction?

Either way the whole point of animal farm is when you implement a system with that much centralized power, which you undeniably must do with communism, it always gets taken over by authoritarian elements. It happens in every. Single. Case. Even if it starts from the place of the best of intentions. Eventually the pigs start taking extra food, start sleeping in the humans bed, start wearing human clothes, start walking on 2 legs, until you can’t tell the difference between pig and human. Oh yeah, and there’s the whole thing where a bunch people die throughout that process.

 

[Pellinore]

Capitalism, like we have, is where the powerful, wealthy, elite control everything, and they are going to make the decisions so that they are the most wealthy possible, not for the majority.
All communism means is that the majority make things best for everyone instead.
A democracy is naturally tied to communism.
They are inherently linked.
And a democratic state of communism is always best for the majority.

You're describing the utopian ideal that Marx and Engels envisioned that Communism would eventually create—a world in which everyone is perfectly equal so there would be no need for social classes, government, or money. The short-version reason is turned out to be such a terrible system in practice is that it required an authoritarian to move the society toward that ideal and, as you may have noticed, authoritarians aren't crazy about giving much of their power back once they've got it.

Communism, despite its hippy-dippy name, is an autocratic system, and can't exist within a democracy.

 

[Rigby5]

'Group Communism'?
Like North Korea, Cuba, Russia,...

Yeah, they are so much better than the US, freedom, our Constitution, etc...

Dumbass...



'The dictatorship of Capitalism?
WHO is the dictator in capitalism? When not being run by Marxists, Socialists, & Communists it results in

Lowest minority unemployment in history

Monst # of Americans c working at 1 time ever

Higher wages, bonuses, raises, more opportunity

Huge increases in number if minority-owned businesses

Millions of Americabs becoming independent, getting off welfare, unemployment, & food stamps

...you know...what Trump delivered...

No, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, etc., are state capitalism.
You can tell because profits are not distributed equally, but mostly to the wealthy elite who are in control, instead.
Everything good about the US, like freedom, the constitution, etc., is all communism.
With capitalism, individuals don't have rights or they don't matter.
All that matters is profit, so you end up with things like slavery, genocide, theft, extortion, feudalism, etc.
Rights and freedom are about a shared social responsibility, which is the opposite of capitalism, and is about cooperation, communalism, and collaborative mutual protection.

The main good that Trump did was the tariff war with China, which was US communism against Chinese capitalism.

 

[Rigby5]

Is this a joke? Or is this another case of retroactive reconstruction?

Either way the whole point of animal farm is when you implement a system with that much centralized power, which you undeniably must do with communism, it always gets taken over by authoritarian elements. It happens in every. Single. Case. Even if it starts from the place of the best of intentions. Eventually the pigs start taking extra food, start sleeping in the humans bed, start wearing human clothes, start walking on 2 legs, until you can’t tell the difference between pig and human. Oh yeah, and there’s the whole thing where a bunch people die throughout that process.

No, communism pretty much can't be centralized.
It has to be communal, collaborative, and cooperative, so requires constant local feedback from all those who are stake holders.
"Animal Farm" was fiction, and there was no reason or means by which the pigs should be dictating and gaining capitalist profit.
Sure the allegory is about how revolutions can be subverted, but in all cases, it is capitalists who deliberately do the subverting.
To make "Animal Farm" more accurate, the humans would have had to been the ones secretly providing the pigs with weapons and trained attack dogs.
"Animal Farm" in no way is criticizing communism.
It is criticizing the capitalism of the corrupt pigs.
The pigs were not cooperative, collaborative, or communal.
They were capitalists.

 

[Rigby5]

You're describing the utopian ideal that Marx and Engels envisioned that Communism would eventually create—a world in which everyone is perfectly equal so there would be no need for social classes, government, or money. The short-version reason is turned out to be such a terrible system in practice is that it required an authoritarian to move the society toward that ideal and, as you may have noticed, authoritarians aren't crazy about giving much of their power back once they've got it.

Communism, despite its hippy-dippy name, is an autocratic system, and can't exist within a democracy.

Wrong.
Communism does not at all require any sort of authoritarianism, in any way.
The reason Russia fell to authoritarianism is because the Germans sent in Lenin in order to deliberately subvert it.
Lenin and Stalin were just capitalist crooks that the other capitalist crooks bribed in order to make Russia into a corrupt capitalist country again.
When ever you see country with central control, it can't be communist because communism requires local autonomy.

 

[Dragonlady]

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Yes, hairstyles are even regulated. Get ready. The middle class leftists gnashing their teeth will be quite entertaining though.

North Korea is not a communist country. In a communist country people have rights.

North Korea is a left-wing authoritarian dictatorship. It’s no different than Russia or China other than the fact that Russia has an authoritarian rightwing dictator ship.

Authoritarian dictator ships, on either the right or left, are very similar. The only difference is there is no private ownership of anything in leftist dictatorship. Everything is the property of the state. In a right wing dictatorship there is private ownership but it is restricted to oligarchs in the favour of the dictator

 

[Flash]

"Hey, lets steal money from anybody making more than us, what could possibly go wrong"?

 

[Rigby5]

"Hey, lets steal money from anybody making more than us, what could possibly go wrong"?

Why does a person steal?
Two possible reasons.
Either they were robbed earlier and are trying to right a wrong, or they are capitalists and just want profit.

 

[Flash]

Why does a person steal?
Two possible reasons.
Either they were robbed earlier and are trying to right a wrong, or they are capitalists and just want profit.

If you vote for a politican that promises to use the force of goverrnment to take money away from somebody else and give that money to you then that sure as hell is stealing.

You stupid uneducated Moon Bats don't know any more about Ethics than you know about Economics, History, Biology, Climate Science or the Constitution, do you?

 

[22lcidw]

No, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, etc., are state capitalism.
You can tell because profits are not distributed equally, but mostly to the wealthy elite who are in control, instead.
Everything good about the US, like freedom, the constitution, etc., is all communism.
With capitalism, individuals don't have rights or they don't matter.
All that matters is profit, so you end up with things like slavery, genocide, theft, extortion, feudalism, etc.
Rights and freedom are about a shared social responsibility, which is the opposite of capitalism, and is about cooperation, communalism, and collaborative mutual protection.

The main good that Trump did was the tariff war with China, which was US communism against Chinese capitalism.

What you are saying is that 50 years of Joe Biden was really him doing us the peons a favor and not him being rewarded handsomely by corruption. It is his honor to serve us. So we the people are between the corporate giants and the corrupted political class. And if in the right privileged employment areas, we do good. Not so much from the other employment areas. Diversity has even made it more difficult in employment as the fingers of interaction have inferior people in better jobs then those who are better. Then add the power of fiefdoms of specific jobs. Those salaries, benefits and pensions mean a lot more then the tenets of the Constitution to a good percentage of the people. Although we all may talk it one way or the other And well...here we are.

 

[sakinago]

You're describing the utopian ideal that Marx and Engels envisioned that Communism would eventually create—a world in which everyone is perfectly equal so there would be no need for social classes, government, or money. The short-version reason is turned out to be such a terrible system in practice is that it required an authoritarian to move the society toward that ideal and, as you may have noticed, authoritarians aren't crazy about giving much of their power back once they've got it.

Communism, despite its hippy-dippy name, is an autocratic system, and can't exist within a democracy.

It’s amazing how anti-communist always know communism better than the people who advocate for it

 

[sakinago]

No, communism pretty much can't be centralized.
It has to be communal, collaborative, and cooperative, so requires constant local feedback from all those who are stake holders.
"Animal Farm" was fiction, and there was no reason or means by which the pigs should be dictating and gaining capitalist profit.
Sure the allegory is about how revolutions can be subverted, but in all cases, it is capitalists who deliberately do the subverting.
To make "Animal Farm" more accurate, the humans would have had to been the ones secretly providing the pigs with weapons and trained attack dogs.
"Animal Farm" in no way is criticizing communism.
It is criticizing the capitalism of the corrupt pigs.
The pigs were not cooperative, collaborative, or communal.
They were capitalists.

So Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Maduro/Chavez, all were capitalist or were supported by capitalist? Huh, that’s news to world history. And Stalin and all these guys that took over were all such staunch capitalists that they instituted socialism? Basically anything you consider to be bad can only ever be capitalism? And the entire world should strictly be seen through the lense of materialism?

And it’s impossible to not have a centralized power. Take for example a farmer, factory owner, clothing manufacturer, and other producers of necessity all join together into a glorious commune. The farmer says I’m going to keep this one particular field for tulips instead of the corn because that tulip field holds sentimental value for whatever reason. The clothing guy says hey fucker, I need that field of corn to feed my family, I’m withholding clothes from you. The farmer says I don’t care, the mrs sews up and makes all my clothes anyway. Well some sort of authority is going to have to tell the farmer to grow the damn corn. Let’s say the other producers are mad at the factory owner for making himself luxury goods with the surplus materials. Say he decides to use those luxury goods to bribe some other people to help sway the vote in his favor. Again, you need some sort of centralized authority to say, “no, use that field for corn, and you, stockpile surplus materials for a rainy day and stop bribing people”. There’s just no way around it. It’s more than naïveté to believe otherwise, more like stubborn willful ignorance. Now imagine all that, going on, on a national scale. With immensely more complex ever evolving systems, interactions, with ever evolving solutions that need to be implemented quickly. Well then a central authority becomes ever so necessary.

 

[struth]

North Korea has absolutely nothing even remotely similar or even related to communism.

Communism is when small individual cottage industries pool resources in order to afford the tech needed for mass production.
Communism has to be collaborative, communal, cooperative, local, and democratic.
North Korea is none of those things, so has nothing to do with communism.

agreed it’s pure socialism

 

[Dragonlady]

The Left in America are the stupidest people on Earth.

They deserve everything they get.....and more.

Well since the leftists in America are not promoting anything that remotely resembles North Korean policies, why even bring this up.

Why do none of you clowns ever say things like “If we continue down this path we’re going to end up like New Zealand!”?

Instead of using the social democracy as you’re constantly praising like Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Canada, you keep saying that the United States will end up like Venezuela or Greece. The United States is an anything like Venezuela or Greece but it is a lot like Canada.

But your idea is to denigrate write some privileges for working class people. Do you want the corporations in charge. You’ve been brainwashed to believe that the corporations will help you get wealthy despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[Rigby5]

If you vote for a politican that promises to use the force of goverrnment to take money away from somebody else and give that money to you then that sure as hell is stealing.

You stupid uneducated Moon Bats don't know any more about Ethics than you know about Economics, History, Biology, Climate Science or the Constitution, do you?

Absolutely correct.
But communism does not mean that what one person produces can be taken and given to another.
Communism just means that if you can't afford the technology of mass production so can't produce, that you pool with others to come up with that capital investment, so you can continue working.

Karl Marx goes on about getting according to need and giving based on capability, but that is not really communism, but the personal desired of Marx. Communism predates Marx, and Russia post dates him by over 60 years, so Marx is not all that relevant.

 

[Rigby5]

agreed it’s pure socialism

No, when you have a wealthy elite taking the major share, that is capitalism.

 

[Rigby5]

So Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Maduro/Chavez, all were capitalist or were supported by capitalist? Huh, that’s news to world history. And Stalin and all these guys that took over were all such staunch capitalists that they instituted socialism? Basically anything you consider to be bad can only ever be capitalism? And the entire world should strictly be seen through the lense of materialism?

And it’s impossible to not have a centralized power. Take for example a farmer, factory owner, clothing manufacturer, and other producers of necessity all join together into a glorious commune. The farmer says I’m going to keep this one particular field for tulips instead of the corn because that tulip field holds sentimental value for whatever reason. The clothing guy says hey fucker, I need that field of corn to feed my family, I’m withholding clothes from you. The farmer says I don’t care, the mrs sews up and makes all my clothes anyway. Well some sort of authority is going to have to tell the farmer to grow the damn corn. Let’s say the other producers are mad at the factory owner for making himself luxury goods with the surplus materials. Say he decides to use those luxury goods to bribe some other people to help sway the vote in his favor. Again, you need some sort of centralized authority to say, “no, use that field for corn, and you, stockpile surplus materials for a rainy day and stop bribing people”. There’s just no way around it. It’s more than naïveté to believe otherwise, more like stubborn willful ignorance. Now imagine all that, going on, on a national scale. With immensely more complex ever evolving systems, interactions, with ever evolving solutions that need to be implemented quickly. Well then a central authority becomes ever so necessary.

What you are saying is that there often is high odds someone is going to abuse power to get their way, but the point is that when that happens, it isn't communism any more.
Nor does there always have to be central authority to prevent abuses.
Localized authority can do it better, and be less corrupt.
If you have enough resources, then people also may not have conflicts over them at all either.

 

[struth]

No, when you have a wealthy elite taking the major share, that is capitalism.

haha no that’s not capitalism…but moreover there is nothing capitalist about cuba. It’s a socialist regime, in socialist regime the ruling rich elite are the govt.