How can we possibly "secure" a national mail in vote election?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

 

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EVANSVILLE, Ind. — Prosecutors have filed a felony election fraud charge against Vanderburgh County Democratic Party activist Jan Reed, who was accused last month of illegally sending hundreds of absentee ballot applications with instructions leaving voters no choice but to participate in her party's June 2 primary election.

Elections officials said Reed didn't stop sending the illegal mailings even after being warned by them and by the local Democratic Party to stop.

Reed apparently did not cooperate with the Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Office investigation that yielded Monday's probable cause affidavit. The document states, "Janet Reed was contacted and refused to provide an interview regarding her involvement in this case."

The facts of the case: What we know about Janet Reed's case involving absentee ballot applications

Reed, 68, is charged with one count of Unauthorized Absentee Ballot, a Level 6 felony punishable by six months to two-and-a-half years in prison. If a defendant is convicted, it can result in a probationary sentence as well.
Reed did not return a telephone message for this story. Prosecutor Nick Hermann, a former local Republican Party chairman, declined to comment.

More: Vanderburgh Democratic activist accused of hundreds of illegal mailings

The Vanderburgh County Election Board sent a four-page letter to Hermann on May 14 outlining the allegations against Reed.
The letter included samples of absentee ballot applications Reed allegedly sent to voters pre-marking for Democrats the section that allows them to choose a party. A copy of Reed's instructions to voters stated that section "needs no input."
But voters are the ones who decide which party's primary they wish to participate in, County Clerk Carla Hayden, a Republican, said at the time.

Reed's instructions allegedly telling voters that section of the application "needs no input" was the crucial indicator that her actions were intentional, Hayden said.
"They (Reed) knew what they were doing; I'll put it that way," the clerk said before confirming Reed was the target of the complaint. "They knew what they were doing, and they said as much. It wasn't like, 'We misunderstood something.' They said flat-out that you don't have to do anything in that area of the application."

More: 'Irate' callers inundate Vanderburgh County Clerk's office over ballot dispute

The probable cause affidavit states that Vanderburgh County elections officials and local Democratic Chair Edie Hardcastle "had previously notified Ms. Reed that her actions were in violation of Indiana law and demanded that she immediately cease and desist from taking further actions."
"The postmarks on several of the envelopes containing the applications indicated that Ms. Reed continued to mail out improper applications after being advised to cease her activities," it states.
"Several individuals were contacted during the investigation and indicated when they received their applications from Janet Reed the box was checked indicating a choice of Democratic Party and were marked using a yellow highlighting pen. Several of the individuals also indicated they received a letter from Janet Reed explaining the applications were improperly completed along with a new application some of which were also marked improperly."
Hayden spoke plainly last month about Democratic chair Hardcastle's effort to stop the illegal mailings.
"(Reed) still didn't stop," the clerk said.

More: Vanderburgh primary election results were full of surprises

Although Hayden said the mailings went out for "weeks, at least," Hardcastle in May cited a period of "confusion" that she said apparently lasted a week. The Democratic chair confirmed she did ask Reed to stop sending the pre-marked absentee ballot applications.
Reed has continued to operate as a Democratic Party activist since local elections officials sent their letter to Hermann last month. She remains a member of the Vanderburgh County Democratic Party's precinct committee, a roughly 240-member body.
In the primary election last week, 2,680 Democratic voters cast ballots for Reed to be a delegate to the Indiana Democratic Party's Virtual State Convention on June 13. She placed 36th in a field of 78 candidates, earning one of the 64 available positions.
Hardcastle said Monday that Reed was not working for the Vanderburgh County Democratic Party when she sent the absentee ballot applications. She was working for the campaign of E. Thomasina Marsili, an Owen County Democrat who won the party's nomination to challenge 8th District Republican Congressman Larry Bucshon.
"We do not intend to take any action at this time (against Reed) since the case is pending," Hardcastle said. "We're not going to take action until the legal process has played itself out."
Hardcastle said Reed's access to Vanderburgh County's voter list was cut off last month.
"Let me be clear. (Reed) never had access to the voter list through the county party," Hardcastle said. "She had access through (Marsili's) campaign."
Marsili said by text Monday afternoon that Reed "is not an employee" of her campaign. Asked if Reed is a volunteer, Marsili did not respond.
Links to related documents:

• Affidavit of Probable Cause (PDF)
• VCEB Letter to Prosecutor (PDF)
• VCEB Ballot Application Enclosures (PDF)

This article originally appeared on Evansville Courier & Press: Vanderburgh Democratic activist Reed faces felony election fraud charge


Okay, so this was the primary, not the general election. But should we assume it can't happen again? Ask yourself this question: how many of these ideologues are out there across the country who could possibly change the election, not just for president but the Senate and the House and every other race? I believe the possibility for fraudulent ballots is very real. Some will get caught, but my guess is that most won't.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a ******* convict...you get caught ******* with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

 

[Crepitus]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They are already secure.

Stop believing the stupid conspiracy theories.

 

[shockedcanadian]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

I think the immense push for this is odd, especially when you don't even have the results of a Primary in New York. How is this not a concern to voters? You want the election result two months later? Even Emperor Fauci said that in person voting is fine. Line up and vote and secure the process.

Maybe some think they are smarter than they are, I can tell you, they aren't as smart as the Communist Government of China. Some agencies probably think they can have more impact if a particular person is president, I say, "let's see you outbid the global socialists with deep pockets and the Communists who bribe and control so many". This isn't anything like the Cold War of the 70s and 80's this is a FAR greater adversary. They are in the drivers seat and leaders allowed it.

I wouldn't want to be working overseas, or maybe even domestically for particular security agencies, if China gets their way again. There was arrogance before 9/11, it's not even close to what we are seeing in some corners today. Compromised and blind to the point of willingness to lose a nation. "Hey, I'm untouchable"

Reminds me of the scene in the movie The Irishman, the best scene in my opinion, when De Niro is trying to tell Pacino (who is playing Jimmy Hoffa, possibly the most talented actor of our generation by the way), that there would be consequences if he didn't step down, "it is what it is". Pacinos response was half disgust, disbelief and ill founded arrogance, "naww, they wouldn't dare".

The West is betting our entire future that the Communists wouldn't dare. As if the last 30 years has been exaggerated. They are nullified dramatically, or this planets civilizations are in deep trouble.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

No common sense can be applied because racism and orange and stuff.

 

[denmark]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

In person "secure" voting?
Like in Russia where Putin got more than 100% of the vote in certain districts?
Ballot boxes can be stuffed too!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a ******* convict...you get caught ******* with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

My pridon record has nothing to do with this topic. The fact that you think it's relevant just shows what an idiot you are.

 

[John T. Ford]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

We can't.

That's the Goal !!!!

The Left isn't even trying conceal their efforts in stealing the election this time.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a ******* convict...you get caught ******* with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

My pridon record has nothing to do with this topic. The fact that you think it's relevant just shows what an idiot you are.

and you saying what you said just shows what an idiot you are....

 

[Canon Shooter]

...not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

Oh, I bet some would, though.

Back when they first created the "CHAZ" in Seattle, I read a piece in which a guy was interviewed about why he was there. He said he felt it was so important for him to be there "at the beginning of this great new society" that he quit his nice paying job as as IT specialist in Illinois to be there.

Of course, when the area was disbanded just weeks later, this dipshit had no job to return to...

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've never understood why some people have such an aversion going to a polling place on Election Day and casting a vote. I see that as something special, a responsibility to be taken seriously.

I have never cast an absentee ballot, and I will never, ever, vote by mail...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a ******* convict...you get caught ******* with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

My pridon record has nothing to do with this topic. The fact that you think it's relevant just shows what an idiot you are.

and you saying what you said just shows what an idiot you are....

Fail

If election "security" wasn't a concern then BOTH parties wouldn't be sending "poll watchers" to every precinct. We gonna have "poll watchers" with every mail man? At every public mail box? In every postal processing center?

Admit it, you made a STUPID ******* COMMENT. No need to demean yourself by doubling down.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I see all over the news that Democrats are in full meltdown because their scheme to steal the election is being blocked.
They are LIVID. HOW DARE anyone interfere with their tampering and stealing a Presidential election !!

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[Mustang]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They sky is falling.

Look, we've been doing ALL mail in ballots for registered voters in Colorado since 2003, and we haven't had any problems. The ballots are secured in multiple ways with bar codes and signatures being required. As for myself, I return my ballot (even on election day, sometimes) to a drop box located just outside of city hall where I see a line of cars (in 2 directions) all doing the same thing. It's safe. it's effortless. And it's pretty much idiot proof as long as Trump doesn't muddy the waters, that is.

 

[Harry Dresden]

...not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

Oh, I bet some would, though.

Back when they first created the "CHAZ" in Seattle, I read a piece in which a guy was interviewed about why he was there. He said he felt it was so important for him to be there "at the beginning of this great new society" that he quit his nice paying job as as IT specialist in Illinois to be there.

Of course, when the area was disbanded just weeks later, this dipshit had no job to return to...

not many would give up a secure, good paying, great benefits job for a stinking election......plus when i left the PO there were a lot of righties working there as compared to when i first started......a lot more....

 

[The VOR]

I've never understood why some people have such an aversion going to a polling place on Election Day and casting a vote.

Ever heard of covid-19?

 

[Harry Dresden]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

the great majority of mail carriers can care less about how you vote....they are trying get done before night time or going into unauthorized OT....were do you think they unload their trucks at?....just because you were in prison once gramps does not mean everyone is a ******* convict...you get caught ******* with ballots you lose the job and any pension you have earned....not too many carriers are that stupid to risk that for a ******* election...

My pridon record has nothing to do with this topic. The fact that you think it's relevant just shows what an idiot you are.

and you saying what you said just shows what an idiot you are....

Fail

If election "security" wasn't a concern then BOTH parties wouldn't be sending "poll watchers" to every precinct. We gonna have "poll watchers" with every mail man? At every public mail box? In every postal processing center?

Admit it, you made a STUPID ******* COMMENT. No need to demean yourself by doubling down.

i think you made the stupid comment about them unloading their trucks....where do they unload them gramps?....

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've never understood why some people have such an aversion going to a polling place on Election Day and casting a vote.

Ever heard of covid-19?

Seriously? That's your reason?

We've had absentee voting for a lot longer than Covid's been around, so your answer is stupid and fails to properly address my question.

Aside from that, though, businesses have reopened around the country. Take a look around, there's no great shortage of people anywhere you go. Consequently, trying to say Covid is a valid reason for people to not go to a polling place is ridiculous.

I was in Publix (grocery store) the other day. There were probably 100 other people in the store at the same time. As far as I'm concerned, not a single one of them can claim Covid as the reason they want to mail their ballot in...

 

[shockedcanadian]

We're not talking about a handful of absentee ballots. This is the total migration of in person "secure" voting, where there are election officials watching every ballot as its cast, to relying on people who are unqualified to handle such responsibilities as they become TOTALLY overwhelmed with mail. The same unqualified individuals who are often in the news for nefarious activities regarding regular mail.
Who's going to monitor the millions of mail carriers as they walk from house to house collecting ballots? Who's going to watch them as they unload their trucks full of ballots?
There are not enough poll watchers and election officials to even come close to making this a secure process.

They sky is falling.

Look, we've been doing ALL mail in ballots for registered voters in Colorado since 2003, and we haven't had any problems. The ballots are secured in multiple ways with bar codes and signatures being required. As for myself, I return my ballot (even on election day, sometimes) to a drop box located just outside of city hall where I see a line of cars (in 2 directions) all doing the same thing. It's safe. it's effortless. And it's pretty much idiot proof as long as Trump doesn't muddy the waters, that is.

How does anyone even know that the person who sent in the ballot even voted? Even received the ballot?

I'm sure there is a way to get a record of who DOESN'T vote and then miraculously, 80% of them DO vote this time.