How can a natural born citizen's status be "governed" by great britain?

[US Army Retired]

After a poll came out today from Wenzel Strategies stating that only 51% of Americans think Obama is eligible to be President it raised a question.



According to Obamas website this was released:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate

Furthermore: Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate.

Joint Motion - with HI Territorial Law 57

The question is how can a Natural Born Citizen's status be "GOVERNED" by Great Britian?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

I think this is kind of silly, but I heard of worse. Someone claimed that Barry Goldwater wasn't qualified to run for POTUS because when he was born, AZ was not a state.

 

[US Army Retired]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

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You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

 

[California Girl]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

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You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

But he was born in Hawaii which means he is 'natural born'.

Edit: Ohhhh, I see what you're saying now. Oops. That does seem to make him ineligible. Damn.... I had always assumed the 'birther' thing was about him being born in Kenya. Hmmm. This appears not to be the case.

 

[candycorn]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

President Obama.

 

[US Army Retired]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

President Obama.

You mean Usurper Obama.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

Look he was born in Hawaii, a US STATE at the time, to an American Citizen Mother, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Unless you believe that the Republican Governor and LT. Governor are covering for him.

British law and acts applied to whether Obama could be considered a British Citizen. The way Dual citizenship works in the States is the child decides at 18 if the Parents do nothing before that date.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

But he was born in Hawaii which means he is 'natural born'.

Edit: Ohhhh, I see what you're saying now. Oops. That does seem to make him ineligible. Damn.... I had always assumed the 'birther' thing was about him being born in Kenya. Hmmm. This appears not to be the case.

Read my previous post. dual citizenship does not become illegal in the US until a person is OF AGE to consent and choose his citizenship. He made that choice by6 remaining in this country and staying an American citizen BY BIRTH.

 

[California Girl]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

Look he was born in Hawaii, a US STATE at the time, to an American Citizen Mother, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Unless you believe that the Republican Governor and LT. Governor are covering for him.

British law and acts applied to whether Obama could be considered a British Citizen. The way Dual citizenship works in the States is the child decides at 18 if the Parents do nothing before that date.

Obama's dad was a British subject, Obama would be recognized by the Brits as British.

 

[US Army Retired]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

British law and acts applied to whether Obama could be considered a British Citizen. The way Dual citizenship works in the States is the child decides at 18 if the Parents do nothing before that date.

Do you have a link to the law?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

Look he was born in Hawaii, a US STATE at the time, to an American Citizen Mother, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Unless you believe that the Republican Governor and LT. Governor are covering for him.

British law and acts applied to whether Obama could be considered a British Citizen. The way Dual citizenship works in the States is the child decides at 18 if the Parents do nothing before that date.

Obama's dad was a British subject, Obama would be recognized by the Brits as British.

Which does not invalidate his NATURAL BORN US CITIZENSHIP STATUS unless he chooses at 18 to become a British Subject. He did not do so.

 

[US Army Retired]

Look he was born in Hawaii, a US STATE at the time, to an American Citizen Mother, he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Unless you believe that the Republican Governor and LT. Governor are covering for him.

British law and acts applied to whether Obama could be considered a British Citizen. The way Dual citizenship works in the States is the child decides at 18 if the Parents do nothing before that date.

Obama's dad was a British subject, Obama would be recognized by the Brits as British.

Which does not invalidate his NATURAL BORN US CITIZENSHIP STATUS unless he chooses at 18 to become a British Subject. He did not do so.

You don't know he did nor does the rest of the country. The laws at the time of his birth makes him a dual citizen governed by his dads nationality. You are talking about jrs Kenyan status that expired. His british nationality remains. Again Gunny, His mothers side gave him a citizen status but not natural born citizen status as required to be President. There is a difference.

 

[candycorn]

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

President Obama.

You mean Usurper Obama.

No. President Obama.

 

[rightwinger]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

Hawaii was a State in 1961 making him a natural born citizen

For crying out loud...can you give this shit a rest? Don't you have anything of value to add to this board other than your daily birther threads?

 

[L.K.Eder]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

please prove that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

 

[US Army Retired]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual nationality, but many places do.

Someone born in the US is a US Citizen.

.

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

please prove that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

The US does not recognize dual citizens to be President of the United States. Its in the Constitution.

Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Notice it doesn't say dual citizen?

There are three citizenship types:
Natural born citizen
Native born citizen
Naturalized citizen

Obama...
1...is not a "natural born" citizen because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, as was Obama, "at birth."

2...is a "native born" citizen because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

3...is a "citizen" because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

You all are refusing to accept the reality of the distinction. Obama's own website refers to him as a "native born" citizen and even has a statement describing his dual "at birth" citizenship.

It's right there -- look:
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate


See: Right there where it says, "The Truth About Barack's Birth Certificate" -- "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a "native citizen of the United States of America."

If you cursor down the page, Obama's citizenship status is described:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Think people. He does not meet the Natural Born Requirement.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

please prove that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

The US does not recognize dual citizens to be President of the United States. Its in the Constitution.

Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Notice it doesn't say dual citizen?

There are three citizenship types:
Natural born citizen
Native born citizen
Naturalized citizen

Obama...
1...is not a "natural born" citizen because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, as was Obama, "at birth."

2...is a "native born" citizen because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

3...is a "citizen" because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

You all are refusing to accept the reality of the distinction. Obama's own website refers to him as a "native born" citizen and even has a statement describing his dual "at birth" citizenship.

It's right there -- look:
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate


See: Right there where it says, "The Truth About Barack's Birth Certificate" -- "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a "native citizen of the United States of America."

If you cursor down the page, Obama's citizenship status is described:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Think people. He does not meet the Natural Born Requirement.

You are wrong as usual. Once again dual citizenship means nothing until a person is 18 when they chose for themselves which Country they are a citizen of. Your citing the Constitution does not support your claim. You see those "citizens" when the Constitution was accepted were former British citizens as well.

It is a simple concept. Since his Mother was a US Citizen and he was also BORN inside the US, he is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.

As is my son who was born in Okinawa, his mother is Filipino. Even if Obama were born in Kenya he would be a natural born citizen BECAUSE of his MOTHER.

McCain is also a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He was born to two US citizens in a US Territory aboard a US Military base. Goldwater was also a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he was born in a US Territory to US Citizens.

 

[L.K.Eder]

You are correct the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama is at best a U.S. Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen which is the Constitutional requirement to be President. He is not eligible.

please prove that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

The US does not recognize dual citizens to be President of the United States. Its in the Constitution.

Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Notice it doesn't say dual citizen?

There are three citizenship types:
Natural born citizen
Native born citizen
Naturalized citizen

Obama...
1...is not a "natural born" citizen because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, as was Obama, "at birth."

2...is a "native born" citizen because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

3...is a "citizen" because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

You all are refusing to accept the reality of the distinction. Obama's own website refers to him as a "native born" citizen and even has a statement describing his dual "at birth" citizenship.

It's right there -- look:
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate


See: Right there where it says, "The Truth About Barack's Birth Certificate" -- "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a "native citizen of the United States of America."

If you cursor down the page, Obama's citizenship status is described:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Think people. He does not meet the Natural Born Requirement.

what says the state department concerning dual citizenship?

US State Department Services Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.
However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.
Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.

and you could look up the name Tomoya Kawakita to find out about dual citizenship.

so what is all this "the US does not recognize dual citizenship"?

 

[US Army Retired]

please prove that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

The US does not recognize dual citizens to be President of the United States. Its in the Constitution.

Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Notice it doesn't say dual citizen?

There are three citizenship types:
Natural born citizen
Native born citizen
Naturalized citizen

Obama...
1...is not a "natural born" citizen because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, as was Obama, "at birth."

2...is a "native born" citizen because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

3...is a "citizen" because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii.

You all are refusing to accept the reality of the distinction. Obama's own website refers to him as a "native born" citizen and even has a statement describing his dual "at birth" citizenship.

It's right there -- look:
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate


See: Right there where it says, "The Truth About Barack's Birth Certificate" -- "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a "native citizen of the United States of America."

If you cursor down the page, Obama's citizenship status is described:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Think people. He does not meet the Natural Born Requirement.

You are wrong as usual. Once again dual citizenship means nothing until a person is 18 when they chose for themselves which Country they are a citizen of. Your citing the Constitution does not support your claim. You see those "citizens" when the Constitution was accepted were former British citizens as well.

Bullcrap. The only time a british citizen or dual citizen could be president was only at the time of the framing of the constitution. Read that Paragraph in the clause where it says ' No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President' At the time it says. There has never been a dual citizen President after the Grandfather Clause expired. Why do you think that is?

John Jay's View
The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book "Law of Nations."

That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.

John Jay wrote: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

It's About Loyalty
The Founders wanted the President to be a Natural Born Citizen to ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive branch had UNQUESTIONABLE, UNWAVERING loyalty to the United States, first and foremost.

At one point, the delegates writing the Constitution in 1787 considered THREE "presidents" in the Executive for "checks and balances." They considered a "natural born citizen" clause for Senators as well. Debating those issues, they felt that a "natural born citizen" clause for Senators would limit the pool of possible candidates and could cause bad feelings with immigrants needed to "jump start" the newly-formed republic.

In the end, the Framers compromised that Senators be required to be US residents for 9 years, while striking the "natural born citizen" clause for the office.

The Framers also compromised on ONE Executive vs. THREE. But to ensure "checks and balances," the Framers inserted in Art II, Sect. 1, Clause 5: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

The natural born citizen clause was NOT an accident, nor was it an inane rule to be restrictive to immigrants, and it certainly isn't just a "political" issue. Loyalty to the US is the reason the natural born citizen clause was inserted into the Constitution.
1st U. S. Congress

Again show me a link in the law what you claim about the 18 years old situation.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Obama is NOT a British Subject, his father being one does NOT negate Obama's NATURAL STATUS. By virtue of his mother he is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN. Further by being born in America he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. His father's nationality is irrelevant to the discussion unless at 18 or after Obama declined his US citizenship for a British one, something he did NOT DO.

Your complaint and argument is simply wrong.