How about some examples of this “socialism” stuff y’all are afraid of?

[bripat9643]

How’s Venezuela socialism doing?

Bad . For many reasons . Mainly corruption.

How’s UAE socialism doing ?

American socialism programs seem to be doing great .

American socialist-entitlement programs are going broke.

Social Security was actually flush with cash, but that cash was stolen and spent on other government projects.

Both Social Security and Medicare could easily be made solvent again by simply raising the eligibility age to 70 and indexing the age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living decades longer than our ancestors who established Social Security. We should be working longer. Common sense.

Yeah, you can make a Ponzi scheme "solvent" by flushing more cash down the toilet. That doesn't mean you haven't been ripped off.

 

[francoHFW]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Spain, Italy, Greece, England?

Before you point to countries like Germany, Sweden, Norway, and Switzerland, you'd better do your homework. Those nations have many economic and regulatory policies that American liberals oppose.

Such as?

 

[bripat9643]

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Running out of other people's money is something Trump is going to learn the hard way as he has doubled our deficits in order to artificially juice the GDP and take credit for it.

Says the guy who wants to flush more cash down the SS toilet.

 

[rightwinger]

We were Socialist during WWII

The New Deal was certainly socialist.

It went well beyond the New Deal

After Pearl Harbor, the Government took control of our industrial production, decided who built what, controlled all critical resources and where workers were allocated.

Socialism won WWII

Bullshit. War socialism only harmed our ability to prosecute the war. What it did do is hide the cost of the war. Otherwise the taxpayers would have revolted.

If we relied on capitalism to fight WWII, we would have lost

Companies deciding whether or not they would produce war goods, critical supplies going to the highest bidder, workers coming and going as they pleased, companies funding their own R&D

All that would have happened is that taxpayers would have known the true cost of the war. If the government wanted 60,000 Sherman tanks, it would have paid for 60,000 Sherman tanks. It would have paid the true cost, not the bogus price whipped out of thin air by some bureaucrat. Allocating scarce resources is what the free market does better than any government bureaucrat.

If supplies are critical, then they should go to the highest bidder, because that is where they are needed the most. That would also provide suppliers needed with the incentive to increase their outp

Computer companies and cell phone companies have been funding their own R&D and producing technological miracles.

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

 

[g5000]

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Running out of other people's money is something Trump is going to learn the hard way as he has doubled our deficits in order to artificially juice the GDP and take credit for it.

Says the guy who wants to flush more cash down the SS toilet.

Social Security was invented for tards like you who would invest their money in Trump U. and then be beating on the government's door to support you when all the scams you fell for imploded.

 

[g5000]

Next, bripat is going to tell us what a wise investor he is. But we've all seen the hoaxes he has fallen for over the past months and years. Some hilarious shit.

And he fell for Trump hook, line, and sinker.

 

[blackhawk]

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Running out of other people's money is something Trump is going to learn the hard way as he has doubled our deficits in order to artificially juice the GDP and take credit for it.

Always funny how people are concerned about spending when it’s being done by those they don’t support I don’t recall any of the Presidents before Trump being willing to close the government vault.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

This is how Chavez became a billionaire while his people were forced to eat their pets and sell their kids.

 

[g5000]

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Running out of other people's money is something Trump is going to learn the hard way as he has doubled our deficits in order to artificially juice the GDP and take credit for it.

Always funny how people are concerned about spending when it’s being done by those they don’t support I don’t recall any of the Presidents before Trump being willing to close the government vault.

Nor do I. Which is why I have been talking about the debt since coming to this forum.

The true hypocrisy is on the part of those who whined about Obama's spending and have gone completely radio silent over Trump doubling the deficit and spending a trillion dollars a year more than Obama's worst year!

I am convinced it would literally kill them to make any noise about Trump's massive overspending the way they did over Obama's.

 

[Anathema]

So are government-funded schools an example of socialism, dipshit?

Yes, and they should be disbanded as quickly and thoroas possible.

 

[Leo123]

How’s Venezuela socialism doing?

Bad . For many reasons . Mainly corruption.

How’s UAE socialism doing ?

American socialism programs seem to be doing great .

American socialist-entitlement programs are going broke.

Social Security was actually flush with cash, but that cash was stolen and spent on other government projects.

Both Social Security and Medicare could easily be made solvent again by simply raising the eligibility age to 70 and indexing the age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living decades longer than our ancestors who established Social Security. We should be working longer. Common sense.

You have accurately described a huge problem with socialist entitlement programs.

 

[Leo123]

The people were funding the war with War Bonds
The US was a socialist country in WWII

The government controlled the means of production, who got supplies, where workers went, wages and prices

It worked

We were at WAR and the country mobilized to defeat Hitler and the AXIS. That is not socialism. People will sacrifice for a cause. Socialism is not a 'cause'......

 

[g5000]

So are government-funded schools an example of socialism, dipshit?

Yes, and they should be disbanded as quickly and thoroas possible.

It's funny how you did not hesitate to answer the question but poor Lonestar "Logic" was too cowardly. Man, did you see the way he dodged and weaved and then ran away?

Kudos to you.

But we have been told that socialism only applies to the EXCLUSIVE control of the means and ownership of production. So I'm afraid that disqualifies our education system from being labeled "socialist".

 

[g5000]

How’s Venezuela socialism doing?

Bad . For many reasons . Mainly corruption.

How’s UAE socialism doing ?

American socialism programs seem to be doing great .

American socialist-entitlement programs are going broke.

Social Security was actually flush with cash, but that cash was stolen and spent on other government projects.

Both Social Security and Medicare could easily be made solvent again by simply raising the eligibility age to 70 and indexing the age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living decades longer than our ancestors who established Social Security. We should be working longer. Common sense.

You have accurately described a huge problem with socialist entitlement programs.

Yeah, we keep moving in the wrong direction. Lefties want to DECREASE the eligibility age.

Republicans are too gutless to say we need to increase it. "The third rail of politics" blah blah blah.

That's how the commies win. Because of the cowardice of the opposition.

Boehner had the balls to say we needed to increase the age, and look what the pseudocons did to him!

 

[bripat9643]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away? Calling the government distribution of land "socialism" is quite a stretch. Would having the government keep the land be less socialist? No it wouldn't. Converting government owned land to privately owned land is the quickest way to get it under market control. That's what the government should do, not retain it and create a government real estate empire.

 

[Leo123]

Next, bripat is going to tell us what a wise investor he is. But we've all seen the hoaxes he has fallen for over the past months and years. Some hilarious shit.

And he fell for Trump hook, line, and sinker.

Anyone can be a wise investor if they dollar cost average with their investments. Much better instead of relying on government cheese. We should teach kids how to invest for their own futures. The government is not, and never will be reliable.

 

[g5000]

Cons seem to love tagging everything they don’t like as “socialism “ . The word has lost all meaning .

How about some real life examples of American socialism? And how it’s hurt us .

I’ll give you an example : US socialism going waaaay back to the 1800s . When the gov purchased and then opened up the west and gave away land to Americans.

It seems in the world of the far right wing, a private company giving things away is now socialism.

crazy how many people do not know what the word means

Name one company that gives things away?

Panera.

 

[bripat9643]

UAE is a capitalist nation.

No, it has cradle to the grave social programs, free education, and free health care. Just like Canada, Norway, the New Zealand and all of the other countries which made the list of the top 10 places in the world to live. I don't think the USA made that list. You're way down in like 17th place.

All capitalist countries. What's your point?

Oh by the way, nothing is free. You idiots really need to stop saying shit is free when the citizens are footing the bill.

I was speaking in relation to the UAE, where indeed it is "free shit" paid for by oil and gas exports, which are government owned and managed resources. Yes, there are private businesses and private ownership of property in the UAE, but the financial underpinnings of the "free shit" is the socialist ownership of the oil and gas.

As for the rest of the world, YOU'RE the ones who call it "free shit". We call it government funded programs, and in Canada, the people genuinely are the government. Our government is not run by corporate interests in favour of the corporations, our government is elected by the people to OUR benefit. The taxes we pay are returned to us, to our children, and to our communities giving us the highest standard of living in the world, a long life expectancy, clean air and water, well-maintained infrastructure, and one of the highest levels of personal freedom in the world.

We are all democratic socialist countries. It's not everyone for themselves. We REQUIRE corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and contribute to their communities. Our tax dollars are not going to a bloated military starting wars around the world. Our Constitution says that Canadians are required to help others. That's right, it is our Constitutional DUTY, to be good neighbours. Even when you folks are being assholes to everyone, including Canada.

We call it government funded programs,

SOCIALISM

So the military is socialist, eh?

Yes it is, dumbass.

 

[g5000]

No, it has cradle to the grave social programs, free education, and free health care. Just like Canada, Norway, the New Zealand and all of the other countries which made the list of the top 10 places in the world to live. I don't think the USA made that list. You're way down in like 17th place.

All capitalist countries. What's your point?

Oh by the way, nothing is free. You idiots really need to stop saying shit is free when the citizens are footing the bill.

I was speaking in relation to the UAE, where indeed it is "free shit" paid for by oil and gas exports, which are government owned and managed resources. Yes, there are private businesses and private ownership of property in the UAE, but the financial underpinnings of the "free shit" is the socialist ownership of the oil and gas.

As for the rest of the world, YOU'RE the ones who call it "free shit". We call it government funded programs, and in Canada, the people genuinely are the government. Our government is not run by corporate interests in favour of the corporations, our government is elected by the people to OUR benefit. The taxes we pay are returned to us, to our children, and to our communities giving us the highest standard of living in the world, a long life expectancy, clean air and water, well-maintained infrastructure, and one of the highest levels of personal freedom in the world.

We are all democratic socialist countries. It's not everyone for themselves. We REQUIRE corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and contribute to their communities. Our tax dollars are not going to a bloated military starting wars around the world. Our Constitution says that Canadians are required to help others. That's right, it is our Constitutional DUTY, to be good neighbours. Even when you folks are being assholes to everyone, including Canada.

We call it government funded programs,

SOCIALISM

So the military is socialist, eh?

Yes it is, dumbass.

But socialism is bad!

 

[Anathema]

It's funny how you did not hesitate to answer the question.... Kudos to you.

But we have been told that socialism only applies to the EXCLUSIVE control of the means and ownership of production. So I'm afraid that disqualifies our education system from being labeled "socialist".

Socialist or not, the entire Federal Education system is unconstitutional and always has been. It should be defunded and eliminated, in total, immediately if not sooner.