Papageorgio
The Ultimate Winner
So you are over paid, just shut up and take the money.
House votes down ObamaCare’s 30-hour workweek, 252-172
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So you are over paid, just shut up and take the money.
Why would they kill it? As Dems are so fond of pointing out - it's a Republican bill.
Wow, my head is spinning with that one DB....NOT that it couldn't be true....but the deviousness behind such a coup is mind blowing if it is true!
JoeB131
Diamond Member
I haven't been military in a long time, and while going to the VA is an option for me, those resources should be for guys who were injured in battle. Yes, the self-insurance market is a mess, but it was a mess before ObamaCare got there. Self-insured is where you had all the horror stories of pre-existing conditions being used as an excuse to deny coverage.
That story has a lot of hair on it. I'm sure you are making shit up.
Uh, no, guy, the fact is, some employers really do solve their insurance problems by firing sick employees. I had the bad luck of working for one of them. But to the point, why are we making employers the adminstrators of health care to start with?
JoeB131
Diamond Member
For the job I do, I'm making the lower end of the salary for this market. It's a situation I am working to correct.
Good for them.
Shrimpbox
Gold Member
Joe I don't know why your real life examples are true and mine are not. I suspect my real life examples are shocking because a lot of USMB posters don't get out much and many of them dont spend much time in the real world(probably cause they re always here posting ) if anything I try to show how policy is being used and abused by real life people, something sorely missing on this site. Too much yadda yadda is spent on pissing contests, emotional appeals, and academic constructs that have no bearing on real life. That is fine and dandy but let's at least admit that it is what it is
The story with the Mexican is this. People who work on boats are,considered independent contractors. This fella has been with me for 20 years and he is a captain. One day in the summer he was unloading and just fell out. They rushed him to the hospital and pretty much had to operate right away. He was 46 years old , overweight, and had a worse diet than a steer in a feedlot. He would have died without the care. I am glad he got it. He still works for me and is behaving himself. He doesn't want to go yet. His wife was a different story. She was a slug with a severe history of diabetes in her family who refused to get up off the couch to get healthy. She received disability and benes out the ass. Six months after her husband had a heart attack she had one, and lived through one nightmare after another in the hospital getting staph and trying to heal with diabetes. She still refused to get a healthy lifestyle but received eye operations, shoulder operations knee operations all at taxpayer expense as she had never worked for the last ten years. Sadly she passed away this summer, a mixed blessing as she had reached the point of being bedridden and on dialysis, a condition I wouldn't wish on anyone. Ther has probably been close to a million dollars spent on these two in the last three years, all at taxpayer expense and all without them contributing to the care. These kinds of medical stories are legion where I live. You get more and better medical care if you claim to have nothing than you do as a middle class citizen. My point in all of this is that with a kind of universal healthcare these discrepancies are going to have to be dealt with and admitted to.
To show you how human nature is hard to change, after all this my Mexican likes to rant about how all these black people are getting everything for free. When I point out all the assistance he got he says that is not the same thing. Health insurance is just a hard conversation to have.
The story with the Mexican is this. People who work on boats are,considered independent contractors. This fella has been with me for 20 years and he is a captain. One day in the summer he was unloading and just fell out. They rushed him to the hospital and pretty much had to operate right away. He was 46 years old , overweight, and had a worse diet than a steer in a feedlot. He would have died without the care. I am glad he got it. He still works for me and is behaving himself. He doesn't want to go yet. His wife was a different story. She was a slug with a severe history of diabetes in her family who refused to get up off the couch to get healthy. She received disability and benes out the ass. Six months after her husband had a heart attack she had one, and lived through one nightmare after another in the hospital getting staph and trying to heal with diabetes. She still refused to get a healthy lifestyle but received eye operations, shoulder operations knee operations all at taxpayer expense as she had never worked for the last ten years. Sadly she passed away this summer, a mixed blessing as she had reached the point of being bedridden and on dialysis, a condition I wouldn't wish on anyone. Ther has probably been close to a million dollars spent on these two in the last three years, all at taxpayer expense and all without them contributing to the care. These kinds of medical stories are legion where I live. You get more and better medical care if you claim to have nothing than you do as a middle class citizen. My point in all of this is that with a kind of universal healthcare these discrepancies are going to have to be dealt with and admitted to.
To show you how human nature is hard to change, after all this my Mexican likes to rant about how all these black people are getting everything for free. When I point out all the assistance he got he says that is not the same thing. Health insurance is just a hard conversation to have.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
It's probably a hard conversation to have because most people don't place a monetary value on the lives of their loved ones.
Every other industrialized nation has universal health care. Most have Single Payer. It kind of sucks for the Doctors, they don't make as much as they do here.
the question becomes, should health care be a consumer commodity or a public service. I personally think it should be the latter.
Now, here's the thing. I really didn't start to have medical issues until I was in my mid-40's. So to me, paying for health insurance was kind of just pissing money away. But when I got to that day when I needed it, it was a reasonable expectation that it should be there.
Every other industrialized nation has universal health care. Most have Single Payer. It kind of sucks for the Doctors, they don't make as much as they do here.
the question becomes, should health care be a consumer commodity or a public service. I personally think it should be the latter.
Now, here's the thing. I really didn't start to have medical issues until I was in my mid-40's. So to me, paying for health insurance was kind of just pissing money away. But when I got to that day when I needed it, it was a reasonable expectation that it should be there.
The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
Why revamp health care when the problem was coverage? Shouldn't that have called for a revamping of insurance companies? If the real intent was better coverage for Americans, why were the insurance companies allowed to raise deductibles to 5,000-10,000 instead of making them more "affordable"?
Why allow hospitals to charge it's patients from 400% to 1,000% more for their services? That's 1000% more expensive, not more affordable. What wasn't broken was, no Hospital could turn some one away at the door. Now, if they don't turn you away, if you need to return, they get fined up to $150,000 per patient, for any patient they re-admit.
What was broken about employers paying for their worker's insurance? Why is that broken now? Now we have pay our own skyrocketing insurance premiums and out of pocket expenses, with less work hours on our paychecks to do it with, if Obama has his way.
Repeal it all. All of the taxes, all of the fines, and challenge Congress to come up with a plan to make insurance companies make insurance affordable, and as before, government help for those who can afford nothing, with a repayment plan for those healthy enough to work to pay it back.
Why allow hospitals to charge it's patients from 400% to 1,000% more for their services? That's 1000% more expensive, not more affordable. What wasn't broken was, no Hospital could turn some one away at the door. Now, if they don't turn you away, if you need to return, they get fined up to $150,000 per patient, for any patient they re-admit.
What was broken about employers paying for their worker's insurance? Why is that broken now? Now we have pay our own skyrocketing insurance premiums and out of pocket expenses, with less work hours on our paychecks to do it with, if Obama has his way.
Repeal it all. All of the taxes, all of the fines, and challenge Congress to come up with a plan to make insurance companies make insurance affordable, and as before, government help for those who can afford nothing, with a repayment plan for those healthy enough to work to pay it back.
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