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When Bush asked the nation to change its laws so big government could get bigger and more invasive; and so that bureaucrats could have more access to our private communications, he argued that it was four our protection. He wanted us to trust in the competence and the ethics of big government. Not one Republican/libertarian questioned him. Not one Republican/libertarian brought up the law of unintended consequences. The Bush administration created the legal infrastructure for surveillance over the American people, and his base, the people we count on to curb the power of government, cheered him on.
When Bush asked the nation to change its laws so big government could get bigger and more invasive; and so that bureaucrats could have more access to our private communications, he argued that it was four our protection. He wanted us to trust in the competence and the ethics of big government. Not one Republican/libertarian questioned him. Not one Republican/libertarian brought up the law of unintended consequences. The Bush administration created the legal infrastructure for surveillance over the American people, and his base, the people we count on to curb the power of government, cheered him on.
Bull-fucking-shit, fella. Every libertarian and even libert-conservatives were completely against the laws that allowed that to happen. making shit up to try and make it out like libertarians were complacent in republican big government schemes just makes you look totally ignorant of reality.
If capitalism worked, there wouldn't be a $17 trillion national debt. The failure of humanity is faith in money.
I don't disagree.
Look at the bigger picture: A key component in capitalism is the responsibility of our "leaders" to maintain sound economic policy, and our "leaders" (party affiliation irrelevant) have been an abject failure in that area. That lack of responsibility has spread to our culture, where we purchase homes and cars and myriad other items on credit, just as our "leaders" do.
Capitalism has been a success not in the plastic shit we can buy from China, it has been a success in the opportunity it has given people to improve their own lives and its ability to create. However, it has been corrupted and distorted almost beyond recognition, and that's what I mean by it "working too well". We have taken a good thing and made a caricature of it. And now, in some ways, we've become caricatures ourselves.
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You must be living with a very different "capitalism" than we have on Planet Earth. On this planet, it has had the exact opposite effect.
YOu all claim how us libertarians are so insignificant and our numbers and ideas are small and stupid. Then you turn around and blame us that we weren't vocal enough for you to hear and stood by complacently while republicans made big government progressive policies that you all actually like as long as the democrats are doing it.
Your credibility on libertarians is fucked, pal. You have none.
YOu all claim how us libertarians are so insignificant and our numbers and ideas are small and stupid. Then you turn around and blame us that we weren't vocal enough for you to hear and stood by complacently while republicans made big government progressive policies that you all actually like as long as the democrats are doing it.
Your credibility on libertarians is fucked, pal. You have none.
So many strawmen here.
Libertarians are insignificant AND they should have been more vocal. One doesnt stop the other from happening. No liberal that I know supports Obama doing the spying. Obama is the POTUS and he is a Dem. For you that is enough to assume that every Dems supports anything Obama does.
I'm telling you no. You will quote me and say I really mean "Yes". Thats how you work
YOu all claim how us libertarians are so insignificant and our numbers and ideas are small and stupid. Then you turn around and blame us that we weren't vocal enough for you to hear and stood by complacently while republicans made big government progressive policies that you all actually like as long as the democrats are doing it.
Your credibility on libertarians is fucked, pal. You have none.
So many strawmen here.
Libertarians are insignificant AND they should have been more vocal. One doesnt stop the other from happening. No liberal that I know supports Obama doing the spying. Obama is the POTUS and he is a Dem. For you that is enough to assume that every Dems supports anything Obama does.
I'm telling you no. You will quote me and say I really mean "Yes". Thats how you work
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you.
Blogs and Threads 
You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
So many strawmen here.
Libertarians are insignificant AND they should have been more vocal. One doesnt stop the other from happening. No liberal that I know supports Obama doing the spying. Obama is the POTUS and he is a Dem. For you that is enough to assume that every Dems supports anything Obama does.
I'm telling you no. You will quote me and say I really mean "Yes". Thats how you work
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you.
Sure you could sparky! You could link to MILLIONS of them! MILLIONS!....of blogs and threads...Wait, your opposition was done from your mothers basement behind a keyboard
You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
Try talking about yourself for a change. Like I said I tell you I dont support Obama and you say that I do because if you had to debate what I say out of my mouth you wouldnt have your bail of hay to kick around no more.
You typed 2 sentences about proof of being against Spying, War etc then type a paragraph fighting your strawmen. Good work champ!
Keep on voicing your oppostition in blogs and Message Board threads...Dont want you to have to wash your face and put on clothes and stuff
YOu all claim how us libertarians are so insignificant and our numbers and ideas are small and stupid. Then you turn around and blame us that we weren't vocal enough for you to hear and stood by complacently while republicans made big government progressive policies that you all actually like as long as the democrats are doing it.
Your credibility on libertarians is fucked, pal. You have none.
So many strawmen here.
Libertarians are insignificant AND they should have been more vocal. One doesnt stop the other from happening. No liberal that I know supports Obama doing the spying. Obama is the POTUS and he is a Dem. For you that is enough to assume that every Dems supports anything Obama does.
I'm telling you no. You will quote me and say I really mean "Yes". Thats how you work
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you. You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
So many strawmen here.
Libertarians are insignificant AND they should have been more vocal. One doesnt stop the other from happening. No liberal that I know supports Obama doing the spying. Obama is the POTUS and he is a Dem. For you that is enough to assume that every Dems supports anything Obama does.
I'm telling you no. You will quote me and say I really mean "Yes". Thats how you work
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you. You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
You are comments are rambling and incoherent, TASB.
Pubs, Dems, and everyone else, for the greater part, of accepted what these administrations have done.
That is going to erase the Republic in to which I was born.
It also means that "libertarians", whatever that means because they can't agree on what it means, are simply a mildly interesting footnote in American history.
Or more so, how did it happen.
1. The NSA is spying on people with out warrant in violation of the COTUS.
2. We are assassinating people with out due process using predator drones some of them US citizens.
3. Changing law though executive fiat.
Now, it doesn't matter when or who started this but this is where we are at, how did we let this happen?
Or more so, how did it happen.
1. The NSA is spying on people with out warrant in violation of the COTUS.
2. We are assassinating people with out due process using predator drones some of them US citizens.
3. Changing law though executive fiat.
Now, it doesn't matter when or who started this but this is where we are at, how did we let this happen?
You forgot to cite the Supreme Court cases ruling any of the above "unconstitutional."
And item 3 is meaningless absent a specific example and case citation.
It's also telling how you and others on the right perceive this as an "issue" when a Democrat is in the WH, where Republican presidents have done the same and more, with conservatives remaining silent.
Consequently, the premise of your thread is disingenuous, and not a sincere expression of concern, but instead just another example of the conservative misery offensive.
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you.
Sure you could sparky! You could link to MILLIONS of them! MILLIONS!....of blogs and threads...Wait, your opposition was done from your mothers basement behind a keyboard
You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
Try talking about yourself for a change. Like I said I tell you I dont support Obama and you say that I do because if you had to debate what I say out of my mouth you wouldnt have your bail of hay to kick around no more.
You typed 2 sentences about proof of being against Spying, War etc then type a paragraph fighting your strawmen. Good work champ!
Keep on voicing your oppostition in blogs and Message Board threads...Dont want you to have to wash your face and put on clothes and stuff
Typical dishonest, modern day liberal hypocrite. Did I say millions? Of course not. but go ahead and insert it. Reason Mag ran article after article about it. Mises, though an economics school, voiced their disdain for the programs and elaborated on the economics of it. If one had enough brain power, they can find plenty of content from the jump that libertarians weren't on the republican progressive big government cheerleading squad.
Where is the voice of liberal outrage over Obama's use of the tools Bush left him? What about the lying? You guys have no credibility. You fall silent, you defend it and then sheepishly say "i do not support that" while you sit there silently and then accuse libertarians of not being vocal enough.
You have no outrage over it now. let me guess, you exhausted yourself being so vocal when Bush did it you lost your collective voices after Obama became the same.
Liars and hypocrites.
I could point to article, blog and thread in long lists where libertarians voiced their outrage, but it doesn't matter to you. You do not even know what libertarian means. We're insignificant, have no numbers, but she be more vocal against what you dislike, not out of principle, but out of partisanship. Again, you have no credit on libertarians. And you all raved and ranted when Bush was doing what Obama is now. The difference is you've shut up and accepted it because you elected the fucker doing it now. That's why you're just another modern day liberal hypocrite.
You are comments are rambling and incoherent, TASB.
Pubs, Dems, and everyone else, for the greater part, of accepted what these administrations have done.
That is going to erase the Republic in to which I was born.
It also means that "libertarians", whatever that means because they can't agree on what it means, are simply a mildly interesting footnote in American history.
Speaking of incoherent ramblings.....Liars and hypocrites!
