Homosexuals should not be accepted into U.S. military forces.

[SFC Ollie]

Ollie this is a simple issue. Do you or do you not believe gay people are equivalent to straight people in every way except for sexuality?

There is no doubt about that.

Littlebikerbitch is dreaming things up that I never said.

OK. So what issues do you think ought to change if this equivalent group happens to just identify their orientation?

Many things will have to change. From latrines and housing to sensitivity training. I don't have the answers to all that would have to be done, I don't think anyone really does. The survey that they just wasted millions on is flawed and can't be used either pro or con. I can only offer my own opinions based upon my time in service. And I believe that repealing DADT would be a mistake.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm not homosexual, but in my opinion the only people who fully understand homosexuality is homosexuals. By saying that because they like people of the same sex they can't do something which is unrelated to their preference because of their preference is against their consistiutional right of individuality. Therefore, as a rebutal I offer the alternative solution of our country being the leader in this cause and educating other contries about all prefrence of sexuality. However, first that would require educating the masses of Americans on the subject. This unfortunately proves difficult due to ethnic and religious diversity of our country. Such it is that such ignorant comments such as the OP has made are created. P.S. I'm not even 18 and I know this.

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

 

[steelpoint]

I think Bodecea is ignorant to the fact that Homosexuals are fully functioning humans capable of thought and emotion. On top of all of this is "Is being gay a choice or are you born gay?" and due to the varying degrees of sexuality such as bisexuallity I believe it can be either. Some people choose gay and some people are born gay.

 

[bodecea]

There is no doubt about that.

Littlebikerbitch is dreaming things up that I never said.

OK. So what issues do you think ought to change if this equivalent group happens to just identify their orientation?

Many things will have to change. From latrines and housing to sensitivity training. I don't have the answers to all that would have to be done, I don't think anyone really does. The survey that they just wasted millions on is flawed and can't be used either pro or con. I can only offer my own opinions based upon my time in service. And I believe that repealing DADT would be a mistake.

Ah...the Potty Principle.....I remember that one from when they wanted to keep us women off ships.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I think Biker is ignorant to the fact that Homosexuals are fully functioning humans capable of thought and emotion. On top of all of this is "Is being gay a choice or are you born gay?" and due to the varying degrees of sexuality such as bisexuallity I believe it can be either. Some people choose gay and some people are born gay.

OOps, you lost it there sparky.

I've served 20 years in the US Navy from 1982 until 2002. After I checked onto my VERY FIRST SHIP, I found out that one of my friends was gay. I've never had a problem serving with someone based on their sexual orientation, gender or belief system. It's not mine to judge, all I'm concerned about is do you know how to do your job competently or not?

Stupid ****** Called Ollie is the one that thinks gays are unfit to serve.

Keep the sides straight, you'll last longer here.

 

[steelpoint]

Biker, if that's true. That just gives us more of a reason to fight for gay rights. Thanks for the info. I didnt know that.

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm not homosexual, but in my opinion the only people who fully understand homosexuality is homosexuals. By saying that because they like people of the same sex they can't do something which is unrelated to their preference because of their preference is against their consistiutional right of individuality. Therefore, as a rebutal I offer the alternative solution of our country being the leader in this cause and educating other contries about all prefrence of sexuality. However, first that would require educating the masses of Americans on the subject. This unfortunately proves difficult due to ethnic and religious diversity of our country. Such it is that such ignorant comments such as the OP has made are created. P.S. I'm not even 18 and I know this.

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

I'm not saying gays should not be allowed in the Military but changing a rule just because other countries allow something isn't the way to go, every country is different and needs to make laws that suit them.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I think Biker is ignorant to the fact that Homosexuals are fully functioning humans capable of thought and emotion. On top of all of this is "Is being gay a choice or are you born gay?" and due to the varying degrees of sexuality such as bisexuallity I believe it can be either. Some people choose gay and some people are born gay.

OOps, you lost it there sparky.

I've served 20 years in the US Navy from 1982 until 2002. After I checked onto my VERY FIRST SHIP, I found out that one of my friends was gay. I've never had a problem serving with someone based on their sexual orientation, gender or belief system. It's not mine to judge, all I'm concerned about is do you know how to do your job competently or not?

Stupid ****** Called Ollie is the one that thinks gays are unfit to serve.

Keep the sides straight, you'll last longer here.

Why do you lie so much? That must be another reason you never made it past E6. Never have I said that Gays are unfit to serve. I said they shouldn't serve openly. And I will continue to say so until proven wrong. Which you can't do because you are a proven liar and have zero credibility. If I thought they were unfit to serve I would say to please repeal DADT and replace it with Do Ask and Do tell and do discharge immediately. You sure don't listen well.
How about the VFW coming out with their statement against repealing DADT? Are they saying that gays are unfit too?

 

[bodecea]

I'm not homosexual, but in my opinion the only people who fully understand homosexuality is homosexuals. By saying that because they like people of the same sex they can't do something which is unrelated to their preference because of their preference is against their consistiutional right of individuality. Therefore, as a rebutal I offer the alternative solution of our country being the leader in this cause and educating other contries about all prefrence of sexuality. However, first that would require educating the masses of Americans on the subject. This unfortunately proves difficult due to ethnic and religious diversity of our country. Such it is that such ignorant comments such as the OP has made are created. P.S. I'm not even 18 and I know this.

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

I'm not saying gays should not be allowed in the Military but changing a rule just because other countries allow something isn't the way to go, every country is different and needs to make laws that suit them.

In most cases I've seen, other NATO countries are held up as proof that having gay soldiers / sailors does not spell the end of them as an effective fighting force....as the homophobes claim.

 

[steelpoint]

There is no doubt about that.

Littlebikerbitch is dreaming things up that I never said.

OK. So what issues do you think ought to change if this equivalent group happens to just identify their orientation?

Many things will have to change. From latrines and housing to sensitivity training. I don't have the answers to all that would have to be done, I don't think anyone really does. The survey that they just wasted millions on is flawed and can't be used either pro or con. I can only offer my own opinions based upon my time in service. And I believe that repealing DADT would be a mistake.

I don't understand why latrines have to change it's not like gay people aren't human they're just gay. And as far as transvestites go (I think that's the right word) I have a transvestite friend and part of the subculture is to pick the sex your most like and fill forms out accordingly. But the hole trany thing is a different fight for a different day.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm not homosexual, but in my opinion the only people who fully understand homosexuality is homosexuals. By saying that because they like people of the same sex they can't do something which is unrelated to their preference because of their preference is against their consistiutional right of individuality. Therefore, as a rebutal I offer the alternative solution of our country being the leader in this cause and educating other contries about all prefrence of sexuality. However, first that would require educating the masses of Americans on the subject. This unfortunately proves difficult due to ethnic and religious diversity of our country. Such it is that such ignorant comments such as the OP has made are created. P.S. I'm not even 18 and I know this.

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

I'm not saying gays should not be allowed in the Military but changing a rule just because other countries allow something isn't the way to go, every country is different and needs to make laws that suit them.

I'm stating that all our allies allow gays, nothing more.

If you want reasons WHY gays should be allowed to serve look at Lt. Dan Choi, who was a forward air controller who SPOKE ARABIC!!!!!!

That meant he could understand the enemy IN A WAR ZONE.

And, he was fluent, which is why he was so valuable. Out of our ENTIRE MILITARY, we only have 500 Arabic speaking troops. When he was discharged for being gay (after several honorable years of service), we lost a valuable asset, making the policy stupid as well as does harm to our military.

There's also a 19 year Air Force pilot (who saved a whole squad by himself in his aircraft, resulting in the Distinguished Flying Cross with combat insignia) who was kicked out because someone saw his e-mails and figured out he was gay.

Know how much it costs to replace a pilot? Roughly 1.5 million dollars. Yet another waste.

And there are many stories like that. Having served with gays, I've noticed that they pay better attention to detail than their straight counterparts.

Attention to detail is what they drill into you from boot camp on.

 

[steelpoint]

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

I'm not saying gays should not be allowed in the Military but changing a rule just because other countries allow something isn't the way to go, every country is different and needs to make laws that suit them.

In most cases I've seen, other NATO countries are held up as proof that having gay soldiers / sailors does not spell the end of them as an effective fighting force....as the homophobes claim.

I agree which is why education about LGBT will be an important step on the path to acceptance.

 

[steelpoint]

You're not even 18 and you know this already? Good on ya dude.

But......to partially answer your question, did you know that EVERY OTHER NATO COUNTRY allows gays to serve OPENLY in their military?

The US is the only NATO country that doesn't.

Interestingly enough, none have had problems with it.

I'm not saying gays should not be allowed in the Military but changing a rule just because other countries allow something isn't the way to go, every country is different and needs to make laws that suit them.

I'm stating that all our allies allow gays, nothing more.

If you want reasons WHY gays should be allowed to serve look at Lt. Dan Choi, who was a forward air controller who SPOKE ARABIC!!!!!!

That meant he could understand the enemy IN A WAR ZONE.

And, he was fluent, which is why he was so valuable. Out of our ENTIRE MILITARY, we only have 500 Arabic speaking troops. When he was discharged for being gay (after several honorable years of service), we lost a valuable asset, making the policy stupid as well as does harm to our military.

There's also a 19 year Air Force pilot (who saved a whole squad by himself in his aircraft, resulting in the Distinguished Flying Cross with combat insignia) who was kicked out because someone saw his e-mails and figured out he was gay.

Know how much it costs to replace a pilot? Roughly 1.5 million dollars. Yet another waste.

And there are many stories like that. Having served with gays, I've noticed that they pay better attention to detail than their straight counterparts.

Attention to detail is what they drill into you from boot camp on.

I just want to comment that, i don't know how that millitary court work, but if it is like normal court then that case should have been dismissed because it was his private email which is illegal to read (Its like stealling mail)

 

[steelpoint]

Sorry guys I got to go because I need to review my material before my EAGLE SCOUT BOARD OF REVIEW. fight whicha l8r homyz!!!

 

[Sunni Man]

Why do you and others insist that we MUST have open flaming sodomite soldiers in our military?

Just by being a homo means that they are weak willed and mentally deficient.

And have No business being around normal soldiers.

 

[steelpoint]

Because they're people just like you and they a right too do what they want, plus just because they're gay doesn't mean they're weak willed. Say so would be line saying if your a women you weak willed and we know that's not true.

 

[Gadawg73]

Why do you and others insist that we MUST have open flaming sodomite soldiers in our military?

Just by being a homo means that they are weak willed and mentally deficient.

And have No business being around normal soldiers.

Something about the Constitution and living in a free country.
They do it another way in Iran, Libya and Saudi Arabia.
My peers require proof when I make absurd claims.
Obviously yours do not.

 

[kwc57]

Sorry guys I got to go because I need to review my material before my EAGLE SCOUT BOARD OF REVIEW. fight whicha l8r homyz!!!

Hope all goes well on your board!!! Is this your first board or final? My son has his final next Tuesday evening.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Why do you and others insist that we MUST have open flaming sodomite soldiers in our military?

Just by being a homo means that they are weak willed and mentally deficient.

And have No business being around normal soldiers.

I'd expect nothing more or less from a person who is a member of a religion that hasn't evolved past the 7th century.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Why do you and others insist that we MUST have open flaming sodomite soldiers in our military?

Just by being a homo means that they are weak willed and mentally deficient.

And have No business being around normal soldiers.

I'd expect nothing more or less from a person who is a member of a religion that hasn't evolved past the 7th century.

I knew I befriended you for a reason.